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Gack, Not really a problem. I already gave her everything and we didn't own a home yet. The only thing she could try for is my retirement fund. Ding, Ding, Ding, WRONG ANSWER! She can also ruin your credit, but going deeply into debt. With say...medical bills. You really need to speak to a lawyer and protect yourself or even if you two do recover, you will be behind the 8 ball. Please go read about plan B, and yes you should give her a letter. Plan B is for YOU. It is not about influencing her. It may influence her, but that is not the purpose of plan B. If you finally fall out of love (love bank account goes to zero), there will be NO RECOVERY. Recovery is actually harder than what you are going through now, and it takes love, energy, commitment. Out of love, out of luck. So you go to plan B to remove yourself from the drama and try to slow the drain from the love bank. It also gives you a chance to evaluate things without the pressure of being on your "best behavior" as plan A requires. The idea is that you wait out the affair. When it ends you want to have something left to work on recovery. You can also establish an intermediary who can filter any messages, but will allow important ones such as: the affair is over, can we talk? Frankly, you do need to remove yourself from this mess. Do it via plan B. Read the examples around here and I believe in SAA. It is actually a love letter but with a strong message on what will be required before contact can resume. You really should not take her back until she has had some serious counseling by someone who is really good. I would start the search for that type of person NOW, as many counselors are not only not good, they do a lot of harm. I have many thoughts on this, but I will keep them to myself for awhile. Check out plan B. God Bless, JL
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Ding, Ding, Ding, WRONG ANSWER! She can also ruin your credit, but going deeply into debt. With say...medical bills.
You really need to speak to a lawyer and protect yourself or even if you two do recover, you will be behind the 8 ball. I already have a lawyer on retainer, she is working on it. Please go read about plan B, and yes you should give her a letter. Getting a letter to her will be verry dificult.
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Do these WS's always twist things around on you?
I send her a text when her boyfreind is home, he reads it, and now she is mad at me becouse he found out she had been talking to me via text. (this is a very simplified verson, there where several texts back and forth between us)
She said she thought I had changed, and that she could trust me. But no, all I'm doing is trying to cause problems between her and the OM and ruin her life. So she is mad at me and doesn't want to talk to me ever again.
Wow.
All I wanted was to talk to my wife, but now I'm the bad guy!
I'v been cheated on, lied to, used for mony, cheated on some more, toyed with, and every dream I'v had since I was 18 has been taken from me.
But I'm the one thats wrong, I'm the bad guy. Does she really not see what she has done? Does she really not realize what she is putting me through?
I just want to scream!!!
This really is getting stupid now. I'm going to try and go to plan B in the next day or two. Atleast it will isolate me from this and maybe I can start to heal a little.
I just cant belive any of this.
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I think Plan B is the right place for you to be. I hope that you read and study the plan thoroughly and commit yourself to executing it.
It seems that a strong, well defined Plan B can be extremely effective, weak Plan B's with easily broken contact actually seem to invite more abuse from the WS.
I have never been in Plan B, just so you know.
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She said she thought I had changed, and that she could trust me. But no, all I'm doing is trying to cause problems between her and the OM and ruin her life. So she is mad at me and doesn't want to talk to me ever again. Ok....... She just called me, allowed me to explain, thought about it, and understood that I was just trying to tell her I still loved her. Now she is not mad, and is apparently mad at OM for pitching a fit about me texting her. Wow, it's like a rollercoaster.
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Gack,
Ok, I hereby punch your ticket on the rollercoaster. Take your hands off of the safety bar, step off of the ride, and proceed to the exit marked Plan B.
Gack, until this affair is over, you really can do nothing. You cannot convince her to end the affair. Her own conscience and the OM have to convince her to end the affair.
I know it is tuff letting go of the safety bar and stepping out of the ride, but the woman you are married to now is NOT the woman that you fell in love with or married. It is time you realized this.
Your ONLY chance is plan B at this point. She is carrying OM's child and that will connect her to him emotionally if not financially for a long time. You cannot fight that.
Please go to plan B.
God Bless,
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I'm sorry ,but every time I read this, I just crack up... I just imagine something out of Saturday night live or something...
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Gack, until this affair is over, you really can do nothing. You cannot convince her to end the affair. Her own conscience and the OM have to convince her to end the affair. And like most affairs, real life and it's everyday strugles where more than the affair could take. The affair has ended and my WW has been home for over a week. I am 1/2 through SAA and am going to ask her to read it as soon as I am done. She broke down sobbing last night. She asked me to arange Marriage counseling and to find her a counseler, theropist, or phsychiatrist for IC. How does one find a good, pro marriage counceler. (one that can deal with an issue of this magnitude) And for her IC, should she see a Theropist or a Phsychiatrist or both? She says she has maid many horrable mistakes, loves me, and does not want a divorce. She claims she cant talk to anyone about her feelings becouse she feels like everyone is looking down on her for her recent actions. She says she feels like even God hates her for what she has done. She said this is why she wants a theropist to talk to. She hopes she will be able to open up to someone who is not directly involved.
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Well she has been home for almost a month. Things have been going fairly well, considering.
So far she has awnsered the questions I have asked honestly, even voulenteering a little here and there. I have tried not to bombard her, and try to go a few days without asking/talking about the last 5 months before bringing it up again. There has been no fighting, and no yelling. Just calm conversation, a small amount of dissagreament on some things, and some tears.
We both filled out the EMQ and have been studying it and trying to follow it.
Next I think we will fill out the love-busters questionair.
My WW is having some problems with NC. Wile her contact with OM thus far has been very limited, and down right hostile. She continues to have contact with his parents. This irritates me to no end. She is also not sure if she wants to allow OM and his parents to see the child or not. I vehomently, do not want him, or his parents to have any access to the child untill the time in wich it is old enough to understand and decide for it's self.
Today we will have our first marriage counseling session with our new counseler. She is board certified and a member of AAMFT, hopfully she is also Pro-Marriage. To me this first meeting is more of an interview to see if she meets the needs we have and is a big beliver in marriage and rebuilding.
Questions?
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Everyone still think I am nuts?
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Everyone still think I am nuts? Yes, I'm sorry but I do.
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Gack,
Ok, if you have not involved a lawyer concerning this whole matter, then you are nuts. I am not thinking your nuts, you ARE nuts.
First, I think a good lawyer would advise both you and your W to not admit the child is OM's. Second, I KNOW for the health of the marriage, the OM needs to be out of her life, and your life. Om's family really needs to be gone now as well. Your W's family and your family are going to be the grandparents of this child. This is especially true if your state laws are as stated.
Follow what your lawyer tells you about contact with OM's family and OM. But, it is crucial that OM must be out of your marriage and if that cannot happen, you have BIG problems. This is going to be a mess, you really cannot afford to "wing it", you need good professional advice (legally, maritally, and personally).
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First, I think a good lawyer would advise both you and your W to not admit the child is OM's. Due to circimstances that are 100% out of my controll, he already knows it is his. My lawyers advice is very simple, Divorce her, or at the very least prove paternaty and sign away my rights. Second, I KNOW for the health of the marriage, the OM needs to be out of her life, and your life. Om's family really needs to be gone now as well. Your W's family and your family are going to be the grandparents of this child. This is especially true if your state laws are as stated. This is complcated by the fact that a few years ago my wife found out that her dad, is well, not her dad. She doesn't want to do that to this child, and belives the best thing for it is to know it's sperm donor. Follow what your lawyer tells you about contact with OM's family and OM. But, it is crucial that OM must be out of your marriage and if that cannot happen, you have BIG problems. This is going to be a mess, you really cannot afford to "wing it", you need good professional advice (legally, maritally, and personally). We got professional maritall advice yesterday. It was absolutly nothing like I expected. On the issue of the child. The counseler vehemently dissagreed with me when I explained that I thought that the childs best interest was not to see or be told about it's origins untill it is old enough to understand. She basicly said my opinion was not motivated by what I thought was best for the child but by my own selfish desires and that I needed to step back and look at the big picture. She ofcourse asked my wife did the sperm donar want to see the child, she said yes. Asked did she think he should see the child, she said yes and explained her situation from above. The counseler then told me I basicly needed to step back and be a stepfather to the child and let his biologicle parents raise it. That keeping the child from the father would be cruel and extreamly tramatic to the child when it found out I was not it's father. She said that even if it was told from the beggining that I was not it's biologicle father, that keeping it from the OM would be absolutly 100% the wrong thing to do. This is not at all what I expected to hear. But I said I would be willing to do what was best for the child. On the matter of us The counseler told us that she thinks we are moving way to fast and should slow down. Asked my wife if she agreed, and she said she feals a little rushed. The counseler asked what my wife thought could be done about that, my wife said she was not sure but had not originally intend to move back in with me so soon. The counseler asked if there was somwhere else she could stay, she said yes, her brothers. The counseler sugested she consider staying with them for several months and that we should "date each other", seing each other in the evenings and on weekends. When I tried to object, the counseler asked me had I heard what my wife said? When I tried to explain why I thought it was a bad idea the counseler interupted me again and asked had I heard what my wife said. The counseler then repeated that my wife feals rushed and wanted to know why seing her in the evenings and on weekends was not enough for me. When I tried to explain again I was interupted again, this time by my wife who said we have to let go of the past and start over if we want this to work. The counseler agreed completly. I was shocked that a marriage counseler thought that we should basicly seperate, and that this is whats best for our marriage. At the end the counselr looked at me and said she could tell that I was not happy with what was said. The counseler said that she felt that I came into the meeting with an agenda and that I was visibly upset and frustrated becouse that agenda had not been met. She then explaned that she has been doing this succesfully for 25 years and that I need to learn to listen to others and try to act more as a team player than I have been in the past. I went in fealling very hopefull, but came out fealing like everything was my fault and like my opinion or fealings did not matter at all. I aolmost felt like the counseler wanted us to divorce and for my wife to go back to the OM. Is this what I should have expected?
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I was shocked that a marriage counseler thought that we should basicly seperate, and that this is whats best for our marriage.
At the end the counselr looked at me and said she could tell that I was not happy with what was said. The counseler said that she felt that I came into the meeting with an agenda and that I was visibly upset and frustrated becouse that agenda had not been met. She then explaned that she has been doing this succesfully for 25 years and that I need to learn to listen to others and try to act more as a team player than I have been in the past. Most marriage counselors are no better than divorce counselors. I'd be curious to see how many marriages she has helped during those 25 years and how many went on to divorce. Doesn't matter. Call the Harleys and they can give you the coaching you need. As far as your marriage, no one can tell you what to do. The marriage counselor is just that, a counselor, someone to whom you seek counsel. It's still ultimately YOUR'S and YOUR WIFE'S decision on how to proceed. Honestly though, you've got a tough road ahead if you choose to stay in the marriage, especially with OM involved in the life of this child. I'm betting though that he won't follow through with visitation, child support, etc., but will just move on to the next woman. His parents though, may be a different story. You could continue on as if the child is yours and force the OM to take legal action to get access, but again, I'm betting he won't. You could renounce paternity and force the OM to pay CS, but he'd be entitled to visitation. Again, I'm betting he wouldn't follow through with that OR paying child support. It's a serious gamble to consider. Are you ready to deal with this for the next 18 years? Call the Harleys... see what they say.
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Honestly though, you've got a tough road ahead if you choose to stay in the marriage, especially with OM involved in the life of this child. I know that, belive me I do. Are you ready to deal with this for the next 18 years? Yes Call the Harleys... see what they say. How much would somthing like that cost? Should I show her this site and see if she will start doing some reading here?
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I think the Harleys charge something like $185, but it is money well spent. They actually give you a plan and I believe they are accessible via email for follow-up (not sure about that though). Anyone else know?
Also, there is a pregnancy forum here specifically for children born as a the result of an affair. Since your wife is home and you are trying to recover it might be beneficial for her to go there to get advice/help. You could also go there. There are people there who have been where you are.
Widowed 11/10/12 after 35 years of marriage ********************* “In a sense now, I am homeless. For the home, the place of refuge, solitude, love-where my husband lived-no longer exists.” Joyce Carolyn Oates, A Widow's Story
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There is one thing going on here I don't understand.
There is one thing going on that I DO understand.
You are in rescue mode. That will wear off. You will then be the most unhappy male in the universe, having rescued someone who will make your life a living heck for as long as you can stand it, then beyond.
Are you sterile? Do you think you might be? That would explain a lot.
Right now she needs you after her adultery with a user/abuser who was exciting, dominant toward her and who fed her submissive emotions. That will wear off. She will then see you as a doormat, undeserving of her affections. Then it really will get sticky.
Just my opinion from what I read. Sorry that you have joined the club so many of us unwillingly belong to.
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Are you sterile? Do you think you might be? That would explain a lot. Negative, and negative. Right now she needs you after her adultery with a user/abuser who was exciting, dominant toward her and who fed her submissive emotions. That will wear off. She will then see you as a doormat, undeserving of her affections. Why would my willingness to stand up, show my strength of caricter, and try my best to save our marriage, couse her to see me as a doormat? I would think it would show my strength and determination, not show me as weak. I found this interesting letter and responce from Dr. Harley in the OC pregnancy forum. What to Do When You (or Your Spouse) Becomes Pregnant with a Lover's Child Letter #2
Dear Dr. Harley,
This afternoon my wife, Robin, gave me the most shocking revelation of my life. And she said she did it on your advice. So I am writing you for help. How should I handle this?
She told me that she had been unfaithful to me for about 3 years, and my 2 year old daughter is not mine. It is the daughter of her lover. I am devastated.
Robin has been the love of my life throughout our 12 year marriage, but has been very withdrawn from me these past five years. I did not understand what was happening to our marriage, but now I know. She says she broke off the relationship with him shortly after she became pregnant, and she wants us to work things out with me. But I don't sense any real remorse on her part. After she told me these horrifying details, she just walked out of the room. I need some reassurance that she really loves me and wants to be married to me.
I also need some advice regarding what we should eventually tell our daughter, and whether I should ever let her father see her. What are the chances that we can work this out? Please help!
M.G.
Dear M.G.,
It will take a few weeks for all of this to settle in, and during that time, your emotions will take you on a roller-coaster. I recommend that you see your doctor as soon as possible and tell him about your crisis. He may be willing to prescribe an anti-depressant medication for you to help you cope with the shock of these revelations. You need to be as intelligent as possible, and this is no time to let your emotions make decisions for you.
There are two rules that guide marriages to safety and enjoyment. They are the Policy of Radical Honesty and the Policy of Joint Agreement. The Rule of Honesty is radical. It requires couples to be completely honest with each other, and your wife has taken the first step in applying that rule to her marriage with you -- she has chosen to be honest with you about the affair and the paternity of her daughter. It may be the first time since you have been married that she has made herself so vulnerable. Use this information wisely, and don't hurt her, even though she has hurt you deeply. You have a very good chance of making the best of what could be a tragic situation. You can create a marriage that will not only survive this, but thrive.
But honesty takes you only so far in marriage. While it helps get the facts out on the table, you must make wise decisions once the facts are known. That's why the Policy of Joint Agreement is as important as honesty. I feel that a decision agreed upon enthusiastically by you and your wife is more likely to be wise than any decision that one of you finds troublesome. So as you and Robin wrestle with these difficult problems, don't make any decision until you have considered enough alternatives to find one that meets with your enthusiastic agreement.
The first decision you will face is whether or not to continue being married at all. Your wife's affair is bad enough, but now you are faced with the prospect of raising someone else's child. It may sound strange for you to apply the Policy of Joint Agreement to the issue of whether or not to be married. You may think that it is for you and you alone to decide. But you are not divorced yet, and your wife has valuable wisdom to inject into your thinking. Her perspective may contain some of the most important information you will need to help you make an enthusiastic decision, so don't ignore it.
You are wondering if Robin really loves you and wants to be married to you? And you wonder why she doesn't seem to feel any remorse? Those questions would be answered as you discuss your future together in an effort to find enthusiastic agreement. Once you reach a joint agreement, you will understand her in a way that you never have in the past. That's the way enthusiastic agreement works. It's only possible when you understand each other.
There are many important issues to consider in deciding your future together. If your daughter were your only child, and if your wife were still in love with her ex-lover, who happened to be single and wanted to marry her, I would lean toward encouraging you to divorce. But since she is the mother of your two children, no longer loves her ex-lover, and wants to save her marriage, I would encourage you to remain married and raise all three children together.
There are many considerations that tug at a decision to marry or divorce, and as you discuss them with your wife you will probably find a clear answer that gains your mutual and enthusiastic agreement.
If you decide to remain married and create a mutually enjoyable future together, then the next decision you will need to make is how to treat Robin's former lover. Should he become a part of your family, with visitation rights as well as financial responsibility for raising his daughter? Or should he be out of your lives entirely?
As with the issue of divorce, this one should also be decided by enthusiastic agreement. But if you want my advice, I usually encourage a couple in your situation to keep the ex-lover away from your family. It may be difficult to engineer, but it is very important for Robin to try to avoid seeing or talking to him ever again. Granted, the affair may be over, but I am always concerned about the possibility of it becoming rekindled. If, for some reason, it is impossible to keep him away from his daughter, I suggest that you act as an intermediary, so that whenever he visits, he does not see or talk to Robin.
Another very difficult issue is whether or not to tell your daughter who her real father is. Again, I suggest that you reach an enthusiastic agreement before you make a decision. The Policy of Radical Honesty applies only to a husband and wife, and not necessarily to children. While I tend to value honesty in all situations, if you and Robin can enthusiastically agree to deceive your child about her real father, it's up to you.
But if you want my advice, I would encourage you to be honest with Robin's daughter very early in life, so that there are no surprises later. I think it's more important for her to know she can trust what you say, than that she thinks you are her real father. Eventually, she is likely to know the truth anyway, and if she was consistently told that she was your daughter, the truth might undermine her trust of you. Regardless of who her genetic father may be, you will be the father that cares for her most for the rest of her life, and she will know that about you as you raise her into adulthood.
Once you make these decisions, you have many more decisions to make, but they can all strengthen your relationship with Robin if they follow the Policy of Joint Agreement. While your situation is tragic, if you make wise decisions regarding your future, you will minimize the damage. And your new way to make decisions will greatly improve your lifestyle and marriage, improvement you have needed very badly.
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Gack, I am not a counselor, nor a professional counselor. I don't even play one after staying at a Holiday Inn. I do have some observations about your counselor however. 1. When did your W's desires trump your own? 2. Why is the child more of a concern at this point than your marriage? 3. Why is the OM more entitled than you the lawful husband, who in your state IS THE FATHER OF THIS CHILD. You don't believe this, just try claiming it is not yours a few years from now and not pay child support. Your counselor is NOT a marriage counselor. It would be far to the childs benefit to have a loving family and a father that supports this child financially and emotionally. Not some OM dropping in occasionally. I also think your W's response was very telling. My take is that she is still hooked on OM. She feels HE is the father and should be in her live as well as the child. I also think that unless you find a better counselor your marriage is OVER. You have a right to have an opinion and have it heard and respected when it comes to your family, your marriage, and the children in the family. Believe this, if your opinion is NOT respected now, it will not be when the child comes. People often make the mistake of focusing on the child and not their marriage, which leads to many of the situations you see on this site, and I am not talking about JUST INFIDELITY.  The best interests of the child is for the marriage to be sound, good, and rewarding. Your lawyers advice while sound, won't help you if you decide to stay. You need legal advice about how to keep OM out of your life. Even if he is in the child's life, your W and he should never and I mean NEVER be in contact with one another again. You will need an intermediary to handle child exchanges or it is you. Gack, get more advice, but if your W feels it is better to be apart, the odds of you rebuilding this marriage go way down. You have actually done a very good plan A, even offering to rear this child as your own. It may be time for a plan B although apparently the affair is over. I would suggest detachment if she does not want to live with you. Recovery takes two. Adding the additional complication of a child by the OM, and it takes two, but the W must be especially dedicated. She is not even a little dedicated to rebuilding this marriage just getting what she wants. Get a new counselor, and talk again to your lawyer. If his only advice is (get a divorce), which actually might be the best thing for you, seek a new counselor. You need info and you need it NOW. God Bless, JL PS: call the Harley's, it is much cheaper than a divorce.
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Gack, I have given you the best unbaised advice I could manage. Now I will tell you what is in my heart. I have a young son in his 20's who just broke up with his girlfriend. More accurately she dumped him, his usefulness to her had come to an end. He is in a deep funk about this breakup, but when he told me about their relationship, it was clear after just 2 minutes what the outcome would be, and has been. He told my W, she had the same opinion. He flew across country to see his older sister, and he got the same response and she had the same feeling about the relationship. I know he has to work himself out of the funk, but it is painful to watch. I read your story and it is very very painful to read and I don't know you. Gack, I am in my 60's now, and have seen alot of things, experienced a lot of things, and done a lot of things. But, one thing I have observed is that when difficult decisions had to be made, all I had to do was look at the data and the 'best' decision was obvious, even if I did NOT want to go that route. In my life, I have followed the data and made the 'best' decision I could with the data at hand, and I have NEVER failed to make the correct decision, no matter how much it pained me at the time. I am looking at the data of your situation and I KNOW what the 'best' decision for you is. You know it as well, although you also know it will hurt, it will probably lead to the end of your marriage. You have known your W a long time, but you do NOT KNOW your W now. Part of that is because she is growing and maturing (or not maturing as the case may be). You see her as she has always been to you, but you are not looking at the data. You two would not have been fighting if she were the woman you remember seeing as a teenager. You two would not be in the mess if she was that woman. She would not be stepping way from her folks if she were. She would not be dating and living with an abuser and having HIS child if she were the woman you see in your mind. In my first post to you I listed what the data was/is. It has not changed. She wants to be with you to use you, just as my son's girlfriend did. But, it is clear she is not sure even with all you bring that she wants to be with you. Gack, quit fighting the data, and step back. Step way back and let the "right" things occur. By "right" I don't mean what you want now, what she wants now, but what actually happens after you step away. You are young, you have many decades of marriage ahead of you with a woman that loves, and respects you. You have not met that woman yet. It could be your W, in a few years, it might be someone else. There is an old saying Women marry men expecting to change them. Men marry women expecting that they will never change. Both are wrong. You are wrong if you think you know your W now. She has changed for many reasons not the least of which is she will be a mother soon, and she carries the father's child. That is not you.  This will change your W in ways you nor I can possibly understand, we are men. Gack, step away. If the marriage ends, let it. If things change and you gain new data, then reconsider. I will tell you a bit of a story. In my early 20's I was engaged to a girl that was my first true love. As far as I was concerned she walked on water. My father while liking her, did not think much of my marrying her. (our families were next door neighbors.) I did not understand what my father saw that I did not, but he did not dissuade me from being engaged. ANyway, I was in graduate school and seeing her on the weekends. She was finishing her senior year at another school. But gradually something was wrong. I could not tell you what it was, but something was changing. Eventually I found out she was seeing other guys. Eventually, we became disengaged. I graduated from grad school and went into the military (vietnam and all). A few years later, she was found murdered by one of her boyfriends. I talked to my Dad about all of this, and what he saw that I could not was that she really was a thrill seeker, and the "edgier" the guys the more she was attracted. Her folks were delighted I was going to be her H, because I was "normal" and so different from the boys/men she had dated before, and apparently since our engagement. My father saw this, but it was my call. Looking back well over 40 years, I can see that ours was a doomed relationship. I could never be what she really really enjoyed. Gack, I see an element of my fiance in your W. She seems to like the wild side now, and perhaps always did. If that is not you, this is not really a good match. You may not know it now but you may have been given a huge gift. You have a chance to get it right, and I don't mean with your W. You have gotten to see what seems to attract her before you two have had children. Gack, my gut tells me you should be very very hurt by all of this. My gut tells me you should step back and look at the data of her choices, her behavior, your interactions (arguing, fighting, leaving etc). My gut tells me you are an honorable man for fighting for this marriage and being willing to rear this child. My gut tells me this is the wrong decision. I will offer you as much advice as you seek, but my gut tells me that you should do something that will hurt very much for quite awhile and that is look at the data and then leave. I know you are not ready to do this (look at the data critically), but please do it soon. God Bless, JL
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Wow JL, awesome post. Gack, please heed what JL is saying to you.
Widowed 11/10/12 after 35 years of marriage ********************* “In a sense now, I am homeless. For the home, the place of refuge, solitude, love-where my husband lived-no longer exists.” Joyce Carolyn Oates, A Widow's Story
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