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I need some ideas. A lot of the time my W and I spend together is spent curled up on the couch watching TV. I've read that the 15 hours shouldn't come from watching TV. So I need some ideas to bring up to her that we can do together.
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I need some ideas. A lot of the time my W and I spend together is spent curled up on the couch watching TV. I've read that the 15 hours shouldn't come from watching TV. So I need some ideas to bring up to her that we can do together. You're right about TV not counting. It's undivided attention. You should be spending the 15 hours meeting the intimate emotional needs that define a romantic relationship - namely - Affection, Sexual Fulfillment, Recreational Companionship, Conversation. Recreational Companionship could be walking, doing something together. etc. This will also lead to conversation - 2 needs for the price of one..
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In the last 4 weeks Flick and I have made a point of going out for lunch a couple of times a week, we go for scenic drives, coffee and muffin at a cafe, fly his parafoil in the paddock, been on the HAM radio net, looked at motorbikes together, and talk alot. Hope some of that helps. I asked him for other ideas and he said get a loaf of stale bread and feed the ducks. Guess we'll do that tommorrow  Lil
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Keep some decks of cards on the coffee table, and strike a solitaire competition now and again. Or play War. Or I could teach you to play "Oh Heck" - very very fun.
Bring out a board game and play at least once a week.
Invite your neighbors over for dinner or drinks.
Arrange a block party for your street (I just print out invitations and put them in everyone's mailbox).
Sign up for a pottery (racquetball, piano, literature, computer, etc.) class together at your community college.
Pick a charity like a soup kitchen, etc. and volunteer together.
Try out one new restaurant each month.
Bring out a map and close your eyes and point your finger, and go visit whatever town you point at.
Buy some art supplies and try to paint.
Learn a hobby together (I like macrame!).
Start a scrapbook with your photos.
Build a website for your family.
Start a project, like painting a room or building a bookcase.
Garden together.
Read to each other.
Get the book 52 Invitations to Grrreat Sex and use it!
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If the kids are involved, does that go towards the 15 hours or is it specifically H and W only time?
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Most would probably say no kids, but I think it depends on what kind of vibes your spouse gets out of interacting as a family. If it brings everyone together for warm fuzzies, isn't that the point? But make sure it's not at the expense of whatever grownup time you both think you need.
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If the kids are involved, does that go towards the 15 hours Not according to the strictest interpretation of what Dr Harley says. or is it specifically H and W only time? That's the way it is described. The 15 hours U/A is supposed to be time dedicated to meeting each other's ENs. It generally involves recreational time since RC is usually a strong EN for most men and leads to meeting each other's ENs almost effortlessly. However, if a strong EN for either of you and especially if it ranks high for both of you, is Family Commitment, then time spent with the kids would be making huge deposits into at least one Love Bank and so might not fulfill the strict requirements of U/A but would result in the same thing over the long haul, that is, full Love Banks. Dr Harley's description of how U/A benefits the relationship in FIL/SIL is very good and makes it pretty clear how it is all supposed to work. One way to tell if the time together counts toward the 15 hours U/A is to set aside a time during the week to pretty much grade each other on the time spent together. If both of you feel strongly that the time should be counted, it should probably be counted as part of the 15 hours. If either of you feels that it should not count, it did not meet any of your most important ENs, then you should probably not count it. For some, only time spent alone, locked in the bedroom or a secluded cabin in the woods will feel like U/A time. To others, attending a football game might be the best thing since...sliced bread...even though there were 70 thousand other people around. I know a couple that both love football. For them the high point of the week is Sunday afternoon with about 10 of their friends over watching the game and cooking out (both love to cook as well.) They would both be willing to forgo a week at a luxury resort to attend one Chicago Bears game. They would be all alone with 70 thousand of their closest friends... But they don't forget that at the end of the day they should go into their bedroom and lock the door... That's one of the ENs as well.  Mark
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Got it. Appreciate the replies!
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KT, Mark is correct in his description. Here is the article about undivided attention: The Policy of Undivided Attention Before you were married, spending time alone with each other was your highest priority. You probably spent the majority of your leisure time together, and the time you spent together was probably the most enjoyable part of every week.
You tried to talk to each other every day. If you couldn't be with each other face-to-face, you talked on the telephone, maybe for hours. And when you were together, you gave each other your undivided attention.
But after marriage, like so many other couples, you may find that you can be in the same room together and yet ignore each other emotionally. What's even worse, you may find that you are not even in the same room together very often, particularly after your children arrived.
One of the more difficult aspects of marriage counseling is scheduling time for it. The counselor must often work evenings and weekends because most couples will not give up work for their appointments. Then the counselor must schedule around a host of evening and weekend activities that take a husband and wife in opposite directions.
But finding time for an appointment seems easy compared to arranging time for the couple to be together to carry out their first assignment. Many couples think that a counselor will solve their problem with weekly conversations in his office. It doesn't occur to them that it's what they do after they leave the office that saves the marriage. To accomplish anything, they must schedule time together -- time to give each other their undivided attention.
It's incredible how many couples have tried to talk me out of their spending more time together. They begin by trying to convince me that it's impossible. Then they go on to the argument that it's impractical. But in the end, they usually agree that without time for undivided attention, they cannot re-create the love they once had for each other.
And that's my point. Unless you and your spouse schedule time each week for undivided attention, it will be impossible to meet each other's most important emotional needs. So to help you and your spouse clear space in your schedule for each other, I encourage you to follow
The Policy of Undivided Attention: Give your spouse your undivided attention a minimum of fifteen hours each week, using the time to meet his or her most important emotional needs. This policy will help you avoid one of the most common mistakes -- neglecting each other after marriage. I have tried to clarify this policy for you by offering three corollaries: Privacy, Objectives and Amount.
Corollary 1: Privacy
The time you plan to be together should not include children (who are awake), relatives or friends. Establish privacy so that you are better able to give each other your undivided attention.
It is essential for you as a couple spend time alone. When you have time alone, you have a much greater opportunity to make Love Bank deposits. Without privacy, undivided attention is almost impossible, and without undivided attention, you are not likely to meet some of each other's most important emotional needs.
First, I recommend that you learn to be together without your children. This can be very difficult for many couples, especially when children are very young. They don't think that children interfere with their privacy. To them, an evening with their children is privacy. While they know they can't make love with children around, the presence of children prevents much more than sex. When children are present, they interfere with affection and intimate conversation, two very vital needs in marriage. Besides, affection and intimate conversation usually lead to lovemaking, and without them, you will find that your lovemaking suffers.
Second, I recommend that friends and relatives not be present during your time together. This may mean that after everything has been scheduled, there is little time left for friends and relatives. If that's the case, you're too busy, but at least you will not be sacrificing your love for each other.
Third, I recommend that you understand what giving undivided attention means. It's what you did when you were dating. You probably would not have married if you had ignored each other on dates. You may have parked your car somewhere just to be completely alone, and to rid yourselves of all distractions. That's the quality of undivided attention I'm referring to here.
When you see a movie together, the time you are watching it doesn't count toward your time for undivided attention (unless you behave like the couple who sat in front of my wife and me last week!). It's the same with television and sporting events. You should engage in these recreational activities together, but the time needed for undivided attention is different -- it's the time you pay close attention to each other.
Now that you're alone with each other, what should you do with this time? The second corollary answers that question.
Corollary 2: Objectives continued here
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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Heres another really good article! Why Should a Couple Plan to Be with Each Other When They Are the Happiest?
Introduction: One of the most controversial positions I take regarding marriage is that a husband and wife should be together for their favorite recreational activities. Whatever it is they enjoy doing the most, they either do with each other, or they don't do it at all.
Some feel that I am out to destroy marriage with that suggestion, not save it. After all, how can a husband and wife survive each other in life unless they are able to get away once in a while to have some fun.
"You are meddling, Dr. Harley! I need something to look forward to, and _______ is absolutely essential to my survival," is the response I often hear from spouses when first introduced to the idea. "There are some things a man and woman simply cannot enjoy together, and yet are essential to their happiness." continued at: http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi5069_qa.html
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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In actual fact, re family commitment, Dr Harley says an EXTRA 15 hours a week should be allocated to that as well.
That is IN ADDITION to the 15 hours a week of undivided attention which is just between husband and wife.
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