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#2110821 08/16/08 03:23 AM
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I've known things weren't right for a while and I've been kinda doing plan a for a long time trying to figure it out. In an instant my world came crashing down when I realized dh was sneaking around. We had a huge fight and he ended up asking me to leave "for my sake" so I could have people to talk to.

He confessed after we got down here that he was having an affair and plans on moving in with this girl, but not because he wants to be with her, he just needs a roomate. I've begged him to live by himself if he must or rent a room, but he refuses.

So now what? He's being really remorseful one minute, than evil psycho the next. He's being a terrible father and he's completely f'd up our finances. I think my rent check will bounce and my power will get shut off this month. On top of it, he is abandoning our apartment up there.

Do I go home? Do I stay away? Cut off contact? It doesn't seem like a very good start to this plan a plan b stuff.

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plan A is about him NOT SEEING the OW

there's NO kinda about it, so either he does or doesn't still have contact with the other woman which you clearly state that he is still seeing her.

You don't mention how long you've been together, if you are married or dating, and whether there are kids involved.


Have you asked him to quit seeing the OW so you two can repair your relationship? How long has the affair been going on?


Plan B is about you setting down your foot and telling him in no other terms that since he has decided not to give up the OW, then you are cutting him off. Take this time to fix whatever mistakes he has made with your finances and preparing yourself to live a better life without him if that's what it comes to. Hopefully he'll decide that he wants you back before you decide that can get along better without him

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We've been together 10 years and have 5 kids. Last summer when we found out I was pregnant with twins he started having an EA with another band member. He decided he was going to leave and I went crazy on plan A. He decided to stay and I've been stuck there every since. The last few months he's been incredibly horrible and I gave him an ultimatum. A few days later I found out he was already sleeping with another woman. A woman that is always on my porch. I thought she was there for the neighbor, but apparently, it's been dh all along. They started texting on 7/29. I believe they went apartment shopping this week. He told me he wanted to separate and get a studio apt. but after I found out he said the plan was to move in with her all along and tell me after it was done.

I don't really know how to cut off all contact considering we do have children together. The last several days I have been very cold. Not hateful, but I haven't volunteered any conversation or emotion whatsoever. The other night after he talked to the kids he told me he missed me. I just said ok and was silent.

I still think I need to write him a letter. I wanted to work on that today. I also have to figure out someway to accomodate visitations without leaving him alone with them or participating in them. I'm thinking maybe I should just excuse myself to study in another room when he is over. I have made it very clear that I will not allow him to take them to his home.

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So, then, what is plan A and plan B?

Plan A is for the betrayed spouse to negotiate with the wayward spouse to totally separate from the lover without angry outbursts, disrespect, and demands. These three Love Busters not only ruin any effort to reach a negotiated settlement, but they also make the betrayed spouse much less attractive to the wayward spouse. Instead of encouraging total separation from the lover, the anger, disrespect and demands of the betrayed spouse make the lover appear to be the only one who truly cares about the wayward spouse. They literally throw the wayward spouse into the arms of the lover.

On the other hand, if the betrayed spouse approaches the wayward spouse with respect and thoughtfulness, the cruelty and self-indulgence of the affair is much easier for the wayward spouse to understand. And once the wayward spouse's mistake is acknowledged, it's much easier for him or her to take the first step toward recovery by agreeing to never see or talk to the lover again.


In general, a betrayed spouse's effort to encourage the wayward spouse to end the affair should address all the root causes of the affair, and offer a solid plan for marital recovery. It should not be one-sided, however. The plan should make the wayward spouse and the betrayed spouse equally responsible for following the overall plan.

But plan A, an effort to end the affair with thoughtfulness and care, doesn't always work. In many cases a wayward spouse is so trapped by the addiction that he or she does not have the will-power to do the right thing. Once in a while the fog lifts and the cruelty and tragedy of the affair hits the wayward spouse right between the eyes. In a moment of grief and guilt, he or she promises to end it. But then the pain of withdrawal symptoms often brings back the fog with all its excuses and rationalization, and the affair is on again.

Sometimes a wayward spouse settles into a routine of having his or her cake and eating it too. In an effort to win the wayward spouse back, the betrayed spouse meets emotional needs that the lover cannot meet, while the lover meets emotional needs that the betrayed spouse has not learned to meet. While this competition is excruciatingly painful to the betrayed spouse, and the lover as well, the wayward spouse basks in the warmth of being loved and cared for by two people, with no real motivation to choose one over the other.

So, to avoid an indefinite period of suffering while a wayward spouse vacillates between spouse and lover, and to avoid rewarding the selfish behavior of having needs met by both spouse and lover, if plan A does not work within a reasonable period of time, I recommend plan B.

Plan B is for the betrayed spouse to avoid all contact with the wayward spouse until the affair has completely ended and the wayward spouse has agreed to my plan for recovery. In many cases, once an affair has ended, a betrayed spouse makes the mistake of taking the wayward spouse back before an agreement is made regarding marital recovery. This leads to a return to all the conditions that made the affair possible -- love is not restored, resentment is not overcome, and there is a very great risk for another affair. Without agreement and subsequent implementation of a plan for recovery, the betrayed spouse is better off continuing with plan B.

Since plan B (and plan A, for that matter), is extremely stressful for the betrayed spouse, I usually recommend that he or she ask a physician to prescribe anti-depressant medication to be taken throughout the crisis. This not only greatly reduces the suffering of the betrayed spouse, but it also helps keep a clear head at a time when patience and wise decisions are crucial. Anti-depressant medication does not numb the betrayed spouse to the crisis, it actually helps raise him or her above emotional reactions that would otherwise prevent clear-headed thinking. Why suffer and and make poor choices when anti-depressant medication can help ease your pain and improve your concentration in this time of unprecedented crisis?

While I have seen remarkable success by people using plan A and plan B, success is by no means guaranteed. The problem with Plan B is that the unfaithful spouse may not return, nor agree to the plan for recovery, even after the affair has ended. Separation in marriage is always risky because, "out of sight, out of mind." Unless plan A leaves the wayward s pouse with the impression that returning home is an attractive choice, separation can become permanent. So before implementing plan B, you want to be sure that the last thing your spouse remembers about you is the care and thoughtfulness you offered in plan A. That way, the separation can help create, "absence makes the heart grow fonder."


http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi8113_ab.html

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Stormy,

You really need to read all of Dr. Harley's concepts. Do you own a copy of Surviving An Affair?

It's your choice, but if you keep your story to one form (i.e. General Questions II), you will see some consistent advice. I know it's confusing when you are new. I think you will find that if you stay in one place (the place that is frequented the most), you won't have to repeat your story over and over and you will find those that will follow along with you as you go through this roller coaster.

There are alot of steps to Plan A and to Plan B that are critical if you want to follow Dr. Harley's way to recover your marriage. There is of course no guarantee, but at least you will know that you have done your best. I will find the post from Pepperband regarding the Carrot and the Stick of Plan A for you and post it here.


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The Carrot and the Stick of Plan A


The carrot of Plan A

Meeting your wandering spouse's emotional needs.

Making "home" a warm and inviting place to be.

Placing emphasis on what has worked in the marriage.

Showing consistent self improvement in areas where previously lacking.

Stop lovebusting behaviors.

Communicating with a calm reassuring voice and relaxed body language, even in the center of a verbal storm created by the infidel.

Becoming the person any reasonable spouse would want to come home to.

Remaining open to the possibility of recovery.

Offering forgiveness and understanding.


The stick of Plan A

Exposing adultery where it matters most. Exposure that takes the form of a swift and sudden unexpected tsunami of truth.

Not apologizing for exposure or speaking the truth in a kind yet direct way.

Directly communicating the hurt and devastation that the affair has caused.

Not accepting blame for the infidel's choice to become adulterous.

Let the consequences of adultery and infidelity fall freely upon the heads of the adulterous.

Establishing boundaries that disallow the affair to effect children of the marriage, financal security of the marriage, and otherwise ruin innocent bystanders.

Standing up to infidelity as a beast that must be slayed for the good of the family.


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Plan A is both a *carrot* and a *stick*.


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6 years of discovery.
Now - one day at a time....

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