Yes, and I'm sure Mr.W would agree with me on this....we will never forget the woman that was...the "cake-eating tramps".

You have Mr. W pegged WAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY wrong Intro...Guaranteed...Mr. W has NEVER called me names...NEVER...He would not lower himself to that level...

Mr. W has also NEVER EVER yelled at me or anyone a day in his life...

I told you before, Mr. W ACTS, he does not REACT...

Mrs. W

He may not call you names, but do you actually think that he respects you as much after dday that he did before? You lost some of his respect...why?...because of how he views you, and for good reason. He may not say it...but he thinks it. If he doesn't.....he hasn't learned a damn thing.

Not sure why "yelling" was brought up.

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...and if he "acts" instead of "reacting"...he certainly learned to do this post dday...because if he did this pre dday you wouldn't be in recovery...you wouldn't have a reason to be here.

I'll let Mr. W address that with you Intro, if he has the time...You are incorrect where he is concerned...He will tell you that he respects me more today than he ever has...He and I both have learned more in the past three years than we could ever put into words...

Mrs. W

P.S. The "yelling" was only said to try to get across to you just what kind of man Mr. W is...

HUH? How do you figure?

That makes no sense Intro...

Mrs. W

I'm sure he does...today. But, please remember that my DDAY was March 30, 2008. Did Mr.W respect you more at 5 months past dday than he did pre dday? I'm guessing no.

I will go out on a limb and say that although he shows you more respect...he respects you less.

Who you are is defined by your actions...and for the rest of your life part of your definition will be WW. Mr.W can't change that...neither can you. I gaurantee you he thinks less of you because of your infidelity...it's part of your definition.

If he "acted" before your infidelity, instead of "reacting", than he wouldn't have had to deal with infidelity...because you wouldn't have done it.

Ahhhhh...And now some of what is holding you back comes through Intro...

Mr. W had NOTHING to do with my choice to commit adultery...My lack of boundaries are to blame for my affair...Plain and simple...

Intro, I believe you are having a hard time with all of this because YOU haven't repented, therefore you find it impossible to believe that others have...Until you regret what you did you won't be able to see that others DO regret it...DEEPLY...

And seriously, you are wrong about Mr. W and his respect towards me...He's away from his computer right now, but I suspect he may explain it to you later...

Mrs. W

Intro, I'm going out on a limb and saying from, what I have seen of the W family, I have no doubt but what Mr W's respect for his wife is at an alltime high. I seriously doubt he still considers "wayward" as part of her definition.

The good thing about Christianity, is we believe in restoration and Dr. Harley teaches "just compensation". I believe Mrs W have been restored, and I believe she has compensated Mr. W for the way she wronged him. Their secret, I'm convinced, is that they let God completely heal the damage in both of them, and give them a love that has cast the past sins into the depths of the sea.

I completely agree with you on this, Mrs. W.

You see, Intro blames his wife for him having had a RA (thus his lack of remorse). So it makes sense that he wrongly assumes it was Mr. W's fault you had an affair.

Intro,
A person's choice to cheat is theirs alone. The onus is on them and no one else.

Jo

Thank you KIR...Yes, you are correct...Following the MB plan and submitting to God has everything to do with our healing and recovery...We have both been transformed dramatically...The glory most certainly belongs to God...

Mrs. W

If God can cure all by healing the damage that Mrs.W caused to Mr.W, and can do the same for me and KMS, than why didn't he stop my wife from taking off her panties in the first place?

Just so you know....we also attend church on Sunday...so, you aren't talking to an "aethiest" (sp).

Because God gives us FREE WILL to make our own choices.

Because God would not do that against her will. She WANTED to cheat, and she did. What I am speaking of, is BOTH of you deciding to put the sins behind you and move towards healing. Do I think you will instantly be 100% healed? NO. But I do think it's possible, by the grace of God. If I did not believe this, I would be wasting my time striving to live the Christian life.

I have to leave now; thanks for an interesting discussion. Intro, I really do hope and pray for the best for you! Believe it or not, we stay on your case because we care!

Than one could make a case that Mr and Mrs. W recovered without God's aid.

You can't give him credit for one thing, then use the same "free choise" theory to let him off the hook for the other.

We all have FREE WILL to take off our panties....

Intro,

PLEASE read Mrs W post. Here it is again, the bolded is the important part:

Intro:

I would never presume to state that Mr. W called Mrs. W names.

I never KNEW that Mr. W had not called Mrs. W. names. But I would NEVER presume that he had.

Unless that's ALL you could ever imagine doing.

Looking inside yourself and looking for a reason to fix what is wrong in your M and taking that inner strengh and creating a whole new M, is what I presume that Mr. W has done.

Instead of finding someone else to sleep with.

Quite the contrast.

And yes, I was called names.

Not anymore.

LG

Precisely Jo!

As I told you earlier Intro, anytime in my life that I have chosen to follow Mrs. W's plan as opposed to God's plan it has resulted in nothing but pain, strife and heartache...

See, I KNOW that my affair was NOT part of God's plan for me and if I would have continued down that path (or if I would have continued to believe that my affair was a good thing - or that it had led my marriage to a better place) it would only have led to more negatives...But that isn't what I did...Instead I stopped...I repented...Chose to follow God's plan instead of mine...If I would have done that all along then we wouldn't be here...

So I worry Intro when I see you saying that something that so clearly is NOT part of God's plan for you (the RA) still gave you something positive...I don't think it will as long as you believe that way...But I do know that if you and KMS repent and decide to choose God and His plan for you, that you can both be restored...recovered...happy...

God's plan for marriage and life is all right there in the Bible...The MB program follows right along with scripture too...very cool...

Mrs. W

Introvert,

Question for you...why are you continuing to defend yourself?