Krazy, I'm not sure what burr you have under your saddle, but this statement seems to one of the most "unqualified" comments ever seen.

By your "reasoning," NO ONE who has not personally experienced something is qualified to comment on it.

By extension of your faulty logic, then Dr. Harley is not qualified to comment on infidelity and recovery because he has not personally experienced it. KNOWING about the subject and listening to others is NOT the same thing as having "seen it for yourself."

Do you seriously believe this or do you just have something against religion and/or Christianity in particular?

Actually, if I hadn't been in shock, I would've killed him...and he wasn't even "murdering babies".

You can call my arguments "less than intelligent", but you can't exactly counter them, can you?

I prefer to call pro-lifers hypocrites, not liars.

I guess we will all just have to bow to your superior mind-reading abilities since you obviously know what motivates believers other than humble obedience to God, and can read their minds and know their hearts.

Did the shock last only until he pulled up his pants and left?

As far as countering your arguments, they have been countered...you just dismiss the arguments....just like I dismiss your "shock." It was more an issue of cowardice...can you prove I am wrong?

Krazy, you are free to hold any opinion you wish. After all, it's just your opinion and doesn't have to be based in fact. You can let your emotional responses override reason, logic, and truth anytime you wish. But it still does not confer truth upon your opinion. Of course, if you can really read minds and hearts, perhaps you do know what truth really is. Can you?

Try "consent of the governed" on for size and that "render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's and unto God what is God's" is God's directive to His people.

Huh? Unqualified how? Unqualified because I think a person is required to see a movie before they critique it? That makes no sense.


You have completely failed to use reasoning. My comment was about movies, and only movies. You warped that simple sentence into me saying, "Nobody can comment on anything until they've personally experienced it".

Yes, that would be a stupid statement...if I had said anything even remotely similar to that.


You then take YOUR twisted sentence (it was never mine) and use it to support an entire paragraph based on something I never said or insinuated. Once again...I was only referring to movies.


I have something against organized religion in general. I think they are manipulative, destructive, and I think that since their inception thousands of years ago, they have done more harm than good.

Why shouldn't I? They (the religious) certainly have something against the non-religious, as they've shown countless times.

You haven't countered anything I've said.

Trying to make me angry isn't going to work, although it is a very Christian way of making your point. Nice effort.

I'm not making a point..I am stating a truth that you can't refute.

And I suggest that you go back to another thread that was locked to see the rebuttals. FH has summed them up nicely.

I went back to the thread I started about abortion. There were no decent replies...something about you putting your life on the line, blah blah blah...I don't see what you're talking about.

that wouldn't be the thread...but that thread would support my cowardice argument.

okay, as FH has pointed out, there is a Biblical directive to act in an appropriate fashion.

Also, the murder of an abortion doctor...as has been proven in the past, would not stop the killing of babies. It emboldens the pro abortion crowd and makes them close ranks. I KNOW that if abortion could be ended today by my taking out an abortion doctor, I would do so in a heart beat ...of course committing a sin in the meantime.

Look to Paul Allen Hill as an example.

I personally think the only way to assure that this slaughter stops is to get the right people in office and they will get the Supreme Court in order to change Roe V Wade. Hopefully we do not run into any more justices that change their thinking. IF a group (pro life) started killing abortion doctors, that would all but assure that the liberals would be victorious in the long run..thereby keeping abortion legal.

If a person like Hill is driven by his calling to lash out...then I do not fault him. But it is not a long term solution to this problem and it will only result in the pro life side winning the battle but losing the war.

My point about putting my life on the line was you call pro life people cowards...I was affording you the opportunity to call this pro life person a coward to his face....in other words, I was stepping up to the plate.

Seriously? You are making this statement seriously?

"Hypocrites" and "liars"? Base on what personal experience of yours with respect to abortion? What have your done if you think that abortion is the murder of an innocent child?

Critiquing a movie is NOT necessary to have seen the movie when the issue is the "message" of the movie. There are many movies I would NOT see, nor recommend anyone see, simply because I KNOW the subject matter and the bias of the movie producer.

How about "Debbie Does Dallas?" I have not seen, nor do I intend to see, that movie to KNOW that I would oppose it for viewing.

That's just one example. I have seen Maher's "promos" on television, and from that, no more needs to be seen as his BIAS was clearly shown.

Krazy, since the inception of barbarism and humanism (self-orientation apart from God) there has been much manipulation, destruction, and much more harm than good done. It is NOT the 'exclusive domain' of religion, organized or otherwise. It is a condition of the sinful heart of man and its inclination to sin and exhalt self regardless of anyone else.

What, exactly, do you think that "the religious" have against the "non-religious" that comprise some of your "countless times" statement?

Could it also be possible that many "religious" people have given much, up to an including their lives, FOR other "non-religious" people too?

Where do you see, if you see any at all, any balance in your prejudicial stance as stated in your opinion quoted above?

Or perhaps it has been more "personal" for you in some way. Have you personally been on the receiving end of sort of "attack" based on religion?

Krazy, the thread in question was the John McCain thread.

Even one of the pro choice people here emailed me and said that he wished Krazy was on this pro life side of this since his arguments are in fact crazy.

What I offered on that thread is that the introduction of additional violence into this mess will not have a good result.

You offered your same hollow arguments.

I have done nothing to stop abortion. Then again, I'm not out there protesting, or trying to force my beliefs onto others, either.


You can't even critique the message of the movie, let alone the content, because you don't know anything about it. In several interviews, Maher has stated how he got along with most of the people in the movie.

Talk about closed-minded...I saw "The Passion of the Christ", even though I think the story is based on a fairy tale far older than Christianity, just because I thought it would be a good, entertaining movie. Sure enough, it was...and Mel Gibson is a nutcase.


I thought you might bring up pornography...that's why I said "MOST movies", rather than "ALL movies".


Of course he's biased. He's open and honest about that. His opinions differ from yours...ooooo...scary! If your faith is strong, nothing Bill Maher (or any other non-believer) has to say should rattle you one bit. Your rights aren't in jeopardy.

Hold the phone!

While this debate is interesting, the question I had wasn't really about Bill Mahar or his movie specifically, it's a larger question really. My question is about faith. With cynicism being so prevalent, how do you hold onto faith? What inspires you? How do you attain that inner quietness, that peace that surpasses all understanding? I'm not asking for an intellectual and philosophical debate, but more, I would like feedback. How do you listen to spirit amidst all the noise?

I realize this changes the whole tone of the thread, but I'd like to know more about what we have in common rather than what makes us different.

He has a problem with organized religion in general.

Now I'm an apologist for Bill Maher?



Bill Maher is a VERY smart man, nevermind his views on religion. He has very compelling discussions on his show and he doesn't pull any punches with either side.

That's what I'm interested in. I don't care what he says about religion, it's his opinion. Big deal.

Charlotte

MrsZonie, what does other people's cynicism have to do with you? It does not CHANGE the reasons for your faith. You have faith for a REASON, don't you? Another person's cynicism cannot undo what you ALREADY know to be true.

I am just confused about your question because I don't understand how someone's cynicism has anything to do with you.

Aw, it's in the theaters? Darn! I thought HBO was doing it as a feature for HBO.

Well, I won't be seeing it until it's on there, then.

ITA on all three points!

Charlotte

Religious people have an irrational fear, in the USA at least, that godless heathens are going to take their religion away from them. THAT'S one reason why they don't care for non-religious people. Not to mention that it's human nature to be wary of any other group who isn't like "your" group.


Huh? Are you speaking of the military? The soldiers who have been killed throughout history, all of them, are fighting for the United States...you know...the country...and all of it's citizens. I would imagine non-religious people are just as grateful as religious people, considering they aren't positive they're going to a "special place" when they die.


I never claimed to be fair and balanced...I'll leave that to propagandist news outlets. It's just my opinion.

I've been repeatedly disgusted over the years by too many self-righteous, smarmy, smirking, goody-two-shoes, high horse-riding, ivory tower living, holier than thou hypocrites. Of course not all religious people fit that description. My W has been a Christian her whole life.

Lotta good that did me.

Before you think you've made some discovery about me, know that my opinion of organized religion has been the same since long before I even met my FWW.