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OK I understand your thought on the fact that what i did was terrible but am I really supposed to just lay there and take the constant verbal abuse until all my love is gone just to make H happy. I am trying to save my marriage and fight for us. I refuse to just sit back and do nothing because what is supposed to happen if say I sit back take the constant comments and everything else H throws my way for years and then H is finally at the point where he is ready to fix us and by that time I have no love left for him and I actually hate him for all the mistreatment I took. THEN WHAT? How is that going to help my marriage? Two wrongs don't make a right. Now would I hate my H if he did have an A? NO, he would be forgiven because nobody is perfect we are all sinners however if that is what he needs to move on with our marriage so we can be happy again than I am ready for that. But I also want to know, I don't think it right for H to have his A and still treat me like crap for his own ammusment, maybe you do but I don't and that isn't going to be helpful for us either.

Waiting for so long was hurtful to H and I know that, it was selfish for me but I would of rather told him later than to never of told him at all. I'm sorry if you think that H has all the right in the world to walk over me and I should just take it with a amile and be grateful but really what is that going to help. It will most likely end with me leaving H, I love him with all my heart but I am not going to live my whole life misable it's not fair to either of us.


Me-25 FWW/BS
DH-25 BS/WH (user name DRO)
M- 4/17/2004
DS-4 OC born 12/10/2005
D-Day 1 4/4/2008 (my A)
DNA test #1 4/17/2008
DD-1 born 6/11/2009
D-Day 2 7/20/2010 (H's A)
DNA test #2 7/23/2010

NC yet to happen between H and OW........
R not yet able to happen


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Originally Posted by medc
What do you see as a potential FIX for this problem??? You say God isn't going to fix this problem. Honestly, He is the ONLY one that can fix this mess. He can work miracles in your husbands heart. Nothing else will come close to repairing this.

What I meant by the comment about God not fixing this and it being up to H and I too, was that God can only push us so far and we can't just sit by and do nothing and think god will fix all are problems. God guides you he don't do it magically for you. That's what I meant. Yes god can speak to my H heart but god can only do so much to guide us to the right path he can't put us there. We have freewill and even though god pushes us it up to us to follow that feeling or not.


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DH-25 BS/WH (user name DRO)
M- 4/17/2004
DS-4 OC born 12/10/2005
D-Day 1 4/4/2008 (my A)
DNA test #1 4/17/2008
DD-1 born 6/11/2009
D-Day 2 7/20/2010 (H's A)
DNA test #2 7/23/2010

NC yet to happen between H and OW........
R not yet able to happen


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I love him with all my heart but I am not going to live my whole life misable it's not fair to either of us.

Do you think he is miserable? If you don't think you should live your life miserable, should he?

Have you asked him ? I'm not saying this to be disrespectful. Just curious.

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Do you think he is miserable? If you don't think you should live your life miserable, should he?

Have you asked him ? I'm not saying this to be disrespectful. Just curious.

sorry what I meant was both of us shouldn't be miserable. I would never want either of us to stay together but hate our lifes.

I've asked him about if he wants to be with me because sometimes I feel like he isn't happy being with me and I don't want him to feel he is forced to stay with me if that isn't what he wants. I just want him to be happy I hurt him very much he shouldn't be hurt anymore not by me he won't be. H says he wants to be with me but sometimes he don't so he isn't quite sure i guess. I've tried talking to him but he closes up (big conflict avoider) H don't like to fight and will leave (take a drive) rather than deal with the issue so we haven't been able to make much progress.


Me-25 FWW/BS
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M- 4/17/2004
DS-4 OC born 12/10/2005
D-Day 1 4/4/2008 (my A)
DNA test #1 4/17/2008
DD-1 born 6/11/2009
D-Day 2 7/20/2010 (H's A)
DNA test #2 7/23/2010

NC yet to happen between H and OW........
R not yet able to happen


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No need to apologize. I just wanted clarification.

He is in the anger stage right now. He isn't sure what he wants because he is guided by his emotions. There are definate red flags about his behavior. I believe he may be confiding in someone because he really feels he can't confide in you. You are the cause of his pain (not being mean..just pointing something out) He doesn't see you very much. I really believe you two should spend some DAYS together alone. To really get this out.

The anger stage can last for months. Are you willing to go through it with him?

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Originally Posted by shaken
I believe he may be confiding in someone because he really feels he can't confide in you.

He doesn't see you very much. I really believe you two should spend some DAYS together alone. To really get this out.

The anger stage can last for months. Are you willing to go through it with him?

I hope he is talking to someone if he wont talk to me but I just hope it's a guy or family not an OW.

I would really LOVE to get to spend time alone with him but with his job it's never going to happen and that SUCKS so very bad. He can't even take leave even though I know we need so time together away from everything just for us.

I know he is going through anger and hard and I am willing to stand by him I just hope this is just a "stage" and not going to take years. Not that I'm trying to say I don't love him enough to wait years but like I said before I would most likely end up losing love for him and that wouldn't be good.


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M- 4/17/2004
DS-4 OC born 12/10/2005
D-Day 1 4/4/2008 (my A)
DNA test #1 4/17/2008
DD-1 born 6/11/2009
D-Day 2 7/20/2010 (H's A)
DNA test #2 7/23/2010

NC yet to happen between H and OW........
R not yet able to happen


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So, let me get this straight. You have an affair and get pregnant as a result. You then pass off the child as your husbands for three years. When you finally tell him that his wife was screwing some other man and that his kid isn't his you are concerned about HIS verbal abuse.

Are you kidding me.

When he has verbally assaulted you for three years and taken your kid from you, THEN you will have something to complain about. As it is now, you should be willing to work on this UNTIL...



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the REAL crime here isn't the affair...although slutting around is never a good thing for anyone....male or female. The REAL crime is what you did regarding the child. That is WAY beyond cruel and NOT something that most people would ever think to forgive.

It is Jerry Springer material.

Give the man a break. He has a right to be furious with you.


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OK medc i don't know if you suddenly had a life changing thing or what but really you were all nice and helpful when I first posted back in april and now you are basiclly telling me now my feelings dont matter. Really, well even though you are entitled to your own thoughts if that is going to be the only advice or comments that you have to offer than I would appricate if you just keep them to yourself. I want to work on my marriage and again me just sitting there and slowly losing my love for my H isn't going to be the answer but thanks anyway for that option. I think I'll go another more producitve route.


Me-25 FWW/BS
DH-25 BS/WH (user name DRO)
M- 4/17/2004
DS-4 OC born 12/10/2005
D-Day 1 4/4/2008 (my A)
DNA test #1 4/17/2008
DD-1 born 6/11/2009
D-Day 2 7/20/2010 (H's A)
DNA test #2 7/23/2010

NC yet to happen between H and OW........
R not yet able to happen


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MM, my advice has not changed one bit.

I still do not think you need to be defined by what you did...BUT, you need to cut your husband some slack. This is going to take him YEARS to get over...if he can. And you owe it to him to hang in there.

Did you call SH?

In a way your feelings are unimportant right now. YOU need to take care of the man that you raped....in several horrible ways. Your husband has made a tremendous sacrifice by accepting you back.

If you want someone to pat you on the head and say..."poor you"...that isn't going to happen. I am telling you that your husband is reacting as well as can be expected and YOU have unreasonable expectations at this time.

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Even though medc can be very blunt, he has a point. What you have done will last a lifetime, you should be willing to work a lifetime to prove your love. True love doesn't die or fade. You can start to dislike someone you love, but you never stop loving them.


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this was my first post to you...find that HONOR again. It is getting lost in your selfishness.

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Quote:The results came back negitive and it devasted the both of us.

I feel sorry for your husband. You have done the worst thing imaginable to him.


Quote:That and the fear that now with our son not being his that he will begin to treat our son differently and after and year or so decide he can't deal with it anymore and leave.

This may happen. It is your H's choice if he wants to stay with you or not. It may take him that long to figure it out.


Based on both of your behaviors, I would strongly suggest calling the Harley's immediately.

Good for you choosing to live a honorable life at this time.
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i don't think I'm being selfish but that's fine if you think that way. I know what I did was horrible to him and i fyou read my post I don't think you'll find one that says I think what I did is fine and H should just get over it. That isn't what I want at all I want us to be able to be happy again but I know it's going to be hard, rough time to get there. But if you read the begining of my post then you might look at why I am troubled by my H sudden actions lately. But you know i'm getting used to ppl telling me my thoughts and feelings dont matter and I should be so lucky that my H is still with me and blah blah blah. OK i've heard that so many times it is really a broken record. Not to be disrepecfully to your advice BUT I would really like to hear some other ideas not the same old things over and over. Since me sitting by doing nothing to help my H isn't really helping him. H needs to stop avoiding conflict otherwise we wont be able to move past any of this. YES my H deserves to be angry with me I do believe I have said that numerous times also BUT we have got to be able to work on the issues otherwise we aren't going to make it. We are both going to remain miserable and it isn't healtly or fair. I never said he should stop overnight I do believe I talked about starting plan A so if an A is happening than I started it and also if one isn't than plan A will just further show H how much I am willing to work on us. I am sorry if you keep thinking that I don't think my H has a right to be mad, that I don't think what I did was horrible BUT again find a post where I said the other and I'll just stop posting because I obiviouly need to work more on me than my H cause I must be more concerned about me than working to help my H. MY GOD what kind of person must I be to want to find other ways to help my H because sitting on my [censored] isn't helping him so far so excuse me.


Me-25 FWW/BS
DH-25 BS/WH (user name DRO)
M- 4/17/2004
DS-4 OC born 12/10/2005
D-Day 1 4/4/2008 (my A)
DNA test #1 4/17/2008
DD-1 born 6/11/2009
D-Day 2 7/20/2010 (H's A)
DNA test #2 7/23/2010

NC yet to happen between H and OW........
R not yet able to happen


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Take it from someone who LIVED the OC (other child) situation. And "yes" my then-H kept it a secret too for quite some time.

Call STEVE HARLEY

Like MEDC and a few others wrote, the OC situation is pretty much the worse thing one can do to one's spouse, especially if they've kept the truth from them intentionally. Its extremely complex and can be very emotionally charged on both sides.

Counseling with the Harley's can help you both sort it out. Here's Steve's coaching center info for booking an appt:

Link: Click Here

Phone: Call toll-free 1 (888) 639-1639

God Bless and I hope this helps you both.
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ok first of all it's not like i was 100% sure that our son was OC but still you are right about if I did think there was a chance he was than yes I should of said something earlier and that I regret but I can't change the past.

So also we are going to a MC so I just want to point out that maybe we cant afford to pay $100+ for a phone session mostly when it's hard enough to get him to go to an actual MC office. H is tired and if we were to say home he would be sleeping. The military insurance is paying for the MC so unless SH accects tricare and is on the list accepted by tricare than we can't call him. WE dont have that kind of money we are living paycheck to paycheck right now.


Me-25 FWW/BS
DH-25 BS/WH (user name DRO)
M- 4/17/2004
DS-4 OC born 12/10/2005
D-Day 1 4/4/2008 (my A)
DNA test #1 4/17/2008
DD-1 born 6/11/2009
D-Day 2 7/20/2010 (H's A)
DNA test #2 7/23/2010

NC yet to happen between H and OW........
R not yet able to happen


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Both stories below are where Dr Harley counseled these couples where the Wayward Wife (WW) was deceptive about the paternity of their child. Please read on.

Authored by Dr Harley

This first letter is to the WW:

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Let me review with you the Policy of Radical Honesty: Reveal to your spouse as much information about yourself as you know; your thoughts, feelings, habits, likes, dislikes, personal history, daily activities, and plans for the future.

This policy encourages you to keep nothing from your husband, not even the fact that you had an affair and that your daughter is not his.

If you had been guided by this rule from the time you were first married, none of this would have ever happened to you. Honesty would have protected you from the affair, since you would have told your husband about your feelings toward your lover early in the relationship. And your honesty would have set into motion a plan to avoid the affair. But it's not too late to be honest. You have years of marriage ahead of you, and the rest of your years together should be guided by truth, not lies.

I'm sure that your reluctance to be honest is due to your uncertainty regarding your husband's reaction. He may choose to divorce you, or at least hold it against you for the rest of your life. You may think that honesty will open a can of worms that once freed will invade your life and ruin it.

Once he knows the truth, will your husband remain married to you, or will he divorce you? What will he do in response to such a painful revelation? Those are just the first of many questions that have yet to be answered. There are many others: Should you tell your daughter who her real father is? Should he have visitation rights? Should he be asked to help support her?

There are no simple answers to any of these questions, but the Policy of Joint Agreement, the second rule that should have guided your marriage, gives you direction regarding the answers. According to the Policy of Joint Agreement, you and your husband should answer each of them in a way that takes each other's feelings into account. If one of you is not enthusiastic about one answer, consider others until you can agree.

Even the question of divorce should be decided together. I understand how unrealistic that may sound, but it's what the Policy of Joint Agreement guides you to do. You should not be divorced unless you are both enthusiastic about doing so. In fact, all of your husband's decisions following your disclosure should wait until you are both in agreement.

But what if he doesn't want to follow the Policy of Joint Agreement, you may ask. What if he just goes ahead and divorces me? Quite frankly, even though it may not be what you want, or what I would advise, I think your husband has a right to divorce you. And in some cases I've witnessed, when a wife revealed infidelity, her husband has done just that -- he divorced her. It doesn't happen very often, but it happens.
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This second letter is to the Betrayed Husband (BS) upon D day:


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It will take a few weeks for all of this to settle in, and during that time, your emotions will take you on a roller-coaster. I recommend that you see your doctor as soon as possible and tell him about your crisis. He may be willing to prescribe an anti-depressant medication for you to help you cope with the shock of these revelations. You need to be as intelligent as possible, and this is no time to let your emotions make decisions for you.

There are two rules that guide marriages to safety and enjoyment. They are the Policy of Radical Honesty and the Policy of Joint Agreement. The Rule of Honesty is radical. It requires couples to be completely honest with each other, and your wife has taken the first step in applying that rule to her marriage with you -- she has chosen to be honest with you about the affair and the paternity of her daughter. It may be the first time since you have been married that she has made herself so vulnerable. Use this information wisely, and don't hurt her, even though she has hurt you deeply. You have a very good chance of making the best of what could be a tragic situation. You can create a marriage that will not only survive this, but thrive.

But honesty takes you only so far in marriage. While it helps get the facts out on the table, you must make wise decisions once the facts are known. That's why the Policy of Joint Agreement is as important as honesty. I feel that a decision agreed upon enthusiastically by you and your wife is more likely to be wise than any decision that one of you finds troublesome. So as you and Robin wrestle with these difficult problems, don't make any decision until you have considered enough alternatives to find one that meets with your enthusiastic agreement.

The first decision you will face is whether or not to continue being married at all. Your wife's affair is bad enough, but now you are faced with the prospect of raising someone else's child. It may sound strange for you to apply the Policy of Joint Agreement to the issue of whether or not to be married. You may think that it is for you and you alone to decide. But you are not divorced yet, and your wife has valuable wisdom to inject into your thinking. Her perspective may contain some of the most important information you will need to help you make an enthusiastic decision, so don't ignore it.

You are wondering if Robin really loves you and wants to be married to you? And you wonder why she doesn't seem to feel any remorse? Those questions would be answered as you discuss your future together in an effort to find enthusiastic agreement. Once you reach a joint agreement, you will understand her in a way that you never have in the past. That's the way enthusiastic agreement works. It's only possible when you understand each other.

There are many important issues to consider in deciding your future together. If your daughter were your only child, and if your wife were still in love with her ex-lover, who happened to be single and wanted to marry her, I would lean toward encouraging you to divorce. But since she is the mother of your two children, no longer loves her ex-lover, and wants to save her marriage, I would encourage you to remain married and raise all three children together.

There are many considerations that tug at a decision to marry or divorce, and as you discuss them with your wife you will probably find a clear answer that gains your mutual and enthusiastic agreement.

If you decide to remain married and create a mutually enjoyable future together, then the next decision you will need to make is how to treat Robin's former lover. Should he become a part of your family, with visitation rights as well as financial responsibility for raising his daughter? Or should he be out of your lives entirely?

As with the issue of divorce, this one should also be decided by enthusiastic agreement. But if you want my advice, I usually encourage a couple in your situation to keep the ex-lover away from your family. It may be difficult to engineer, but it is very important for Robin to try to avoid seeing or talking to him ever again. Granted, the affair may be over, but I am always concerned about the possibility of it becoming rekindled. If, for some reason, it is impossible to keep him away from his daughter, I suggest that you act as an intermediary, so that whenever he visits, he does not see or talk to Robin.

Another very difficult issue is whether or not to tell your daughter who her real father is. Again, I suggest that you reach an enthusiastic agreement before you make a decision. The Policy of Radical Honesty applies only to a husband and wife, and not necessarily to children. While I tend to value honesty in all situations, if you and Robin can enthusiastically agree to deceive your child about her real father, it's up to you.

But if you want my advice, I would encourage you to be honest with Robin's daughter very early in life, so that there are no surprises later. I think it's more important for her to know she can trust what you say, than that she thinks you are her real father. Eventually, she is likely to know the truth anyway, and if she was consistently told that she was your daughter, the truth might undermine her trust of you. Regardless of who her genetic father may be, you will be the father that cares for her most for the rest of her life, and she will know that about you as you raise her into adulthood.

Once you make these decisions, you have many more decisions to make, but they can all strengthen your relationship with Robin if they follow the Policy of Joint Agreement. While your situation is tragic, if you make wise decisions regarding your future, you will minimize the damage. And your new way to make decisions will greatly improve your lifestyle and marriage, improvement you have needed very badly.
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It is obvious to me that you are very remorseful and you just want to see a little light at the end of the tunnel. The light is there. I know you realize you made a terrible mistake and I know you are trying.

Your husband is very very hurt. It takes time and I know you hate that and know that, but it does.

You know how your husband feels, we don't need to remind you. You live it everyday.

There is no magic pill. Your husband has a constant reminder everyday of what happened in the OC. That's hard for anyone

Until he can come to terms with it, your marriage is going to be rough and rocky.
He has to be able to accept it to move on. No one can make him do that. Not even you. All you can do is be there for him. He is the only one that can let himself be fixed.There is nothing you can do that you are not already doing.

Patience is all you have and Love is all you need to give.

Have you ever sat him down and said: Honey I know what I have done is devastating to you, but I am willing to spend the rest of my life showing you how much I love you and regret how I have hurt you. I will always hate what I have done to us, but I am willing to stay and put everything I have into keeping our marriage. If I could go back in time and change things I would, but all I can do right now is love you and be here for you.

That will not change his anger, but it will plant a seed that will help him forgive you. He hasn't really forgiven you yet. When he really forgives you, you will see your old husband again.

Don't give up.


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I see two ways for the two of you to solve this problem and stay married.

1. Deal with it and run with plan-A. Weather he is activly having an A or not, plan-A is meant to show what a marriage with you can be like. Hundreds of us BS's are doing, or have done plan-A and dealt with very simmilar problems from our waywards as you are having from your BS; with the bonus of WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO COUSE THERE AFFAIR!!!!! So I assure you, if we can do it, so can you.

Or

2. Study these.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_relativity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_time_dilation
And most importantly, this one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_travel

Pull that all together and build somthing like this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeLorean_time_machine

And you should be able to fix the entire problem.

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Originally Posted by Gack1

I wish I could. but thanks for the advice on starting plan a that is what i think i will do.


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M- 4/17/2004
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D-Day 1 4/4/2008 (my A)
DNA test #1 4/17/2008
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