As you know I would not vote for her, but I do believe you should know what some folks who were at the DNC are saying..about why she is not on the ticket.

http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/09/10/wednesday-obamas-loss-is-a-matter-of-trust/

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I never heard anybody else comment on it, but did any of you notice that when Hillary came on the convention floor and conceded to Obama, she asked people to help "select" him as the Democrat candidate for president? Given that, for the last 8 years, the Democrats have incessantly chanted a single political mantra, "George-ommm-Bush-ommm-was-ommm-selected-ommm-not-ommm-elected-ommm", I cannot imagine any possible circumstance under which her use of that particular word could have been accidental. Not from a Clinton, those parsers par excellence. I watched her say it--read her lips, in fact--and in essence, at the same time that she surrendered her quest for the nomination, she basically said that Obama's candidacy was as illegitimate as the presidency of George Bush. It's no wonder her people feel ewed-scre.

Very interesting, thndrnltng.

I hadn't noticed that.

Here are some more very very disturbing testimonials

Hillary's convention floor speech

She uses the dirty word "selected" at 4 minutes into the clip. You can get a bit of context by going back 30-60 seconds before that, where people were voting and she stopped 'em dead in their tracks. The camera was practically shoved up her nostrils so it's really impossible to miss what she said.

Whatever bad blood there was between the Clintons and Obama, they've put it aside to campaign for him. I don't think they would be willing to do that if things where that blatant.

Clintons launch campaign swing for Obama in Pa.

When Bill and Hillary Clinton take the stage Sunday at a campaign rally in Pennsylvania, it will be the launch of an active campaign for their former nemesis Barack Obama in the home stretch of the 2008 presidential race.

The nation's best known and most powerful Democrats for nearly two decades, the former first couple is getting used to a new role: cheerleaders for Obama, who vanquished Hillary Clinton last spring in a Democratic primary contest for the ages.

Whatever recriminations the Clintons may still harbor from that long battle seem to have been nudged aside as they campaign in earnest for the Democratic ticket.

The New York senator and the former president will appear with Obama's running mate, Joe Biden, at a rally Sunday in Scranton, a working class town that has assumed something of an outsize role in the presidential race.

Biden was born in Scranton and lived there for several years as a child, while Hillary Clinton's father grew up in the town and is buried there. Both Biden and Clinton have emphasized their Scranton roots to illustrate their connection to blue collar voters.

After the rally, the Clintons will follow separate itineraries through presidential battleground states. They will also campaign on behalf of Democratic House and Senate candidates across the country.

Bill Clinton, who worked tirelessly for his wife during the primaries, seemed to take her loss more personally. Nonetheless, he gave Obama his full-throated endorsement at the Democratic convention in August. But he began stumping for the Illinois senator only recently, appearing at fundraisers and headlining two major events in Florida earlier this month.

After the Scranton rally, the former president was headed to Richmond and Roanoke, Virginia. He also planned events in the next few days in Ohio and Nevada, battleground states he won in 1992 and again in 1996.

Hillary Clinton was scheduled to hold a fundraiser for Obama on Sunday night in Philadelphia and planned a rally for him Monday in Montgomery County, a Philadelphia suburb rich in swing voters.

Clinton trounced Obama by 10 points in last spring's Pennsylvania primary, largely due to her strength among white working class voters. Sensing opportunity, Republican John McCain has campaigned actively in Pennsylvania but recent polls show Obama opening up a comfortable lead.

Hillary Clinton also planned return visits to Ohio and Florida in the next few days and has scheduled trips to Omaha, Neb., and Minnesota.

She traveled Friday to Arkansas, her husband's home state and where she served 12 years as first lady, in hopes of making it more competitive for the Democratic ticket. A swing through Western battleground states is in the works as well.

Clinton did radio interviews this week in North Carolina, a reliably Republican state that has become a battleground in this presidential election. She also spoke to a Hispanic station in Florida and launched a women's canvass in Wisconsin Saturday by phone.

Aides said Hillary Clinton has been remarkably stoic about taking on the role of an Obama cheerleader following the close and often bitter primary in which she raised questions about his electability and readiness to govern.

Clinton's long and often bumpy career in public life has taught her to compartmentalize her feelings, her aides said, and by nature she does not dwell on the past.

In campaign appearances, she has pressed the need for a Democratic president to take on the nation's sour economy and crippling financial crisis. Polls during the Democratic primaries found voters gave her a clear edge over Obama when asked who would be a better economic steward.

"I think it is safe to say we have not seen more troubles at one time since World War Two," Clinton told a rally in Little Rock, Ark., Friday. "Probably no president will inherit more challenges that President Obama will, since Harry Truman had to take over from Franklin Roosevelt."

Aides said Clinton has headlined more than 50 events for Obama and has raised $10 million for his campaign since suspending her own presidential effort in June.

Want2Stay

We are on different sides of the political aisle, Want2Stay. However, since we live in America, this works for me, as I hope it works for you. I'm not interested in getting bogged down in another of those interminable disputes for which these inevitably-locked political threads are infamous--so much heat, so little light. Let me just clearly state my point and then that's it for me. I am NOT talking about what the Clintons are doing now. I am NOT talking about what they are thinking now, although I'd be pretty much willing to bet that, if the truth were known (or even knowable), what they privately think about Obama's candidacy and what they're publicly doing to help him win, are not only not exactly identical--they may not even be the same species.

I am talking about what Hillary Clinton said, with her own lips, at the convention. It is on tape. You can see it for yourself. I do not believe the use of the word "selected" was either accidental or unintentional. He got the nomination; she got her dig...and life went on for them both. But there are still a LOT Of her supporters that feel cheated, and if they look at that speech, they'll find it easy to believe that SHE feels cheated, too.

Thanks for that post, Want2Say.

It's important to ME what the Clintons are doing NOW.

It's helpful to KNOW that information.

ThndrnLtng,


It's all good TL! Many would be surprised to know of my ACTUAL stance on the issues. I really don't consider myself to belong to either party. I hold no ill will towards anyone that I engage in debate. I see it as healthy way to learn from one another. We are all Americans and we are guaranteed the right to our own opinions whether we agree or not. That's part of what makes this country so great!

What I can't stand though is attack ad politics. I had much hope that this years campaign would be about the ISSUES. Things that the next administration will need to have a razor sharp focus on if they are to have any hope of saving our country. Sadly, it has turned into the usual personal pettiness.


I agree with your original post that Hillary did feel cheated by her party. Everyone believed that she was a shoe-in for the nomination and out of nowhere came Obama. I think partly because they didn't believe that Hillary could win the election. Imagine how ugly the ads would be if Hillary were on the ticket.

One things for sure, the next 23 days sure are going to be interesting.

Want2Stay

YOU MEAN IT'S 23 MORE W.H.O.L.E. DAYS UNTIL THE ELECTION? I don't turn on the TV myself. The only time I hear it is when I'm in a patient's room and they're watching something. Fortunately for ME, most of our clientele are not very political, so I don't have to deal with much of this. It's much harder to turn off my ears than it is to mute the TV--and if I had to listen to all the talking heads, and their back-and-forth-and-back-and-forth for very long, I would, quite simply, explode and plaster OtherSusan the Formerly Stupid pieces over the entire Western coastal states, and possibly Nevada!

The Clintons are doing this because they were PAID to do it. Just do a little web search for Clinton+Debt+Obama. I think that clears this issue right up.

Nothing new. That's the NATURE of POLITICS...

And that's precisely the point, mimi.

Obama is NOT new. He is "more of the same old same old."

Why do you think he was adamantly FOR candidates submitting their campaigns to the Federal Matching Funds program, UNTIL he realized he could make more money outside of the very system that he endorsed that ALL candidates should use?

Campaign finance reform....my backside!


As for Hillary....there is a term for taking money for "prostituting" one's beliefs. It's just a matter of negotiating how much money. We know Hillary's price now.

I disagree.

I've never heard of any Presidential candidate, who told their supporters, to "argue and get in the faces" of those who won't vote for them.

That command to his followers ties in perfectly w/ what those Hillary supporters said they witnessed in those links I posted.

And then you throw ACORN...and I've got to just shake my head in disbelief that this guy is ahead in the polls.

What is this Bizarro world??? :crosseyedcrazy:

Plumb krazy...

Interesting how the "Obama campers" always seem to be playing the Race card.

Now it's John Lewis' turn.

Pitiful.

And where is Obama's denunciation of Congressman Lewis' comments?

Right, I forgot, Blacks can't be racist, it's in the Democrat Election Playbook, right next to Democrats can't be Socialists because they are "Liberal" with your money not Socialistic.

Who said Blacks can't be racist? Who are you quoting?

I shake my head in disbelief that anyone wouldn't be frightened for Sarah Palin to be PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES. If she can be PRESIDENT, I can be PRESIDENT. I'm sure I'm more intelligent. To me, that's BIZARRO. I would think about moving to another country...REALLY...

It is high time for white people to wake up.

No longer should we tolerate this kind of crp that runs rampant in our country. Race get USED as a tool by MANY in the AA community. Race baiters get a free pass so long as their skin color is not white.

Enough already.

yeah, okay.