And "what if" is pure speculation and NOT fact..

Neither is it a valid argument for "relative morality."

"Train a child up...."

It's obvious you aren't interested in answering the question.


If there's one thing I've learnt in life, it is there are no certainties. I've never been one to influence my children's thinking on the big issues, like religion, abortion, politics.

I've made it clear all along that those are all personal choices that we make for ourselves as adults. What ever their decide as individuals, I have to respect and do whether I like it or not.

Haven't you learned yet?

We're all supposed to think, act, and believe as Christians do.

It isn't clear to me whether that article reflects the official teaching of the Catholic Church on the subject of excommunication, given that it says


on the Theology page of the website:

http://www.catholicplanet.com/theology.htm

wow.

What if...
Is actually a valid question when you have a child of 10/12 and don't know what the future holds.

Okay.

Two very simple questions.

1. Abortion - Jesus would be adamantly against it as all life is precious to him, regardless of how "messed up" the "parents" might be.

2. Gay Marriage - There is no such thing as "Homosexual Marriage" in God's eyes, and therefore Jesus would be against any notion that Marriage is anything other than between ONE man and ONE woman...period.

If you need biblical references to support the above answers, they can be provided free of charge.

But for now, let me simply point out that GOD, not Man, IS the only true judge of what IS right and what is wrong, and He WILL judge according to HIS standards, whether we like His standards or not.

What Jesus would do is irrelevant.

A guy who allegedly never had sex is the last person who should be voicing an opinion about abortion, contraception, or any other sex-related topics.

Whaaaa?


Your child will make his own choices when he is an adult but what basis does he have on anything when he has no influence from his parent?

And that certainly seems like a total abdication of Parental Responsibility and IS an endorsement of "Moral Relativity."

"Everthing is OKAY, by me" is what you are teaching.

"NO 'right and wrong,' just whatever you want" is what you are teaching.

What about other "big issues" like personal responsibility, the sanctity of marriage, NO adultery, NO stealing, etc.?

Or are the "big issues" to you only "social issues" that YOU don't like?

LOL Jesus is irrelevant to Christian teachings? This is classic.

Morality is always relative, FH. Even for the "moral absolutists" who take their morals verbatim from religion or other books, morals change over the millenia... What might have been "by the book" 500 years ago may not be so now, and vice versa.

AGG

Spoken like a true liberal with a hatred for anything "Christian."

Ridiculous on the face of it too.

By your "logic," NO ONE who did not have personal experience with ANYTHING "should be voicing an opinion" about ANYTHING.

And that would include Dr. Harley, since he has admitted to NEVER having been faced with Adultery in his own life.

Get real if you really want to be seriously considered, Krazy.

I'm sure you know what I mean, but let me spell it out.

Of course I've told my children what I think and why as has their father but I've also told them that some issues are personal decisions, like politics religion abortion etc.

Their father would have had them marching in union rallies with placards when they were little if he had his way, I am happy for him to share his views on issues like that, but pushing his views on them is another matter. I don't want them to be carbon copies of me or their father.

They are free, as adults to explore different ideas and decide for themselves. My daughter had hindu friends growing up and patricipated in their actiities, by her choice. She also went to church occassionally with her Christian friends. We do not class ourselves of any faith. I'm happy she got to see such diverse religions side by side.

My children are now well balanced adults, one works in law and one is a builder.

AGG, you make my point for me here. HUMANS are very good at rationalizing all sorts of behaviors simply because they "want to do something."

However, God's Standards DO NOT change, and it is by HIS Standards that we will all be judged. "Absolute Morality" exists by decision of God. "Relative Morality" exists by decision of Man.

"Suffer the little children to come unto me and forbid them not," for example, has been transfered from the parents doing the "suffering," if need be, to "kill the inconvenient little thing and let IT do the suffering!" The Parent, Abortionist, etc. FORBID the child come to Jesus by eliminating any possibility for an 'age of accountability'.

My "hatred" comes into play when anyone tries to push their beliefs onto others.

If you don't approve of abortion, don't have one.

This thread is being watched very closely by the moderating staff. Please keep it respectful or it will be locked. The Harleys thank you.

It's easy to see why there is so much divison on this board.

People just take what they want from what someone says and weave an argument around it!

Krazy, your attempts at logic are amusing, I have to give you that.

By your reasoning, once again, NO ONE can attempt to address anything that they don't "approve of."

No one can try to say to anyone else that murder is wrong, just don't do it yourself if you don't approve of it.

No one can try to say to anyone else that adultery is wrong, just don't commit adultery yourself.

No can say that anything is wrong, just don't do it yourself and let everyone else who thinks what you think is wrong is "right" do it with impunity.

If no one can "impose" their opinion on anyone else for anything, then just what IS the purpose of laws, the court system, and the penal institutions? What is the purpose of "defending the USA against all enemies, foreign AND domestic?"

StillHere2 - let's not deal in "glittering generalities," okay?

What, specifically, do you think is "weaving an argument" around something someone said?

Differences of opinion are NOT "weaving" an argument, they are MAKING an argument, debating an issue, etc. They are NOT doing what you are implying and "making up something out of whole cloth."