Standard response: Those are just a few fringe loonies. They do not reflect mainstream views in any way.

I've learned over the years not to argue with people that hear things that aren't really said. "Clearly audible" when nothing was said is a sure sign of trouble.

I am not denying lynchings or the fact that the democratic party has a history of racism. The SOUTH has an overt history of racism - so does the north, albeit in a more muted fashion. But there is absolutely nothing imaginary about the racism present in the Republican party. The reason I brought up Ronald Reagan is because he is a large reason why the south is overwhelmingly Republican today. In 1976, in his failed bid for the presidency, he sided with states rights. Those aren't just code words for liberals. He came out against forced integration and curbing the power of the federal government.

ML, these were issues that were at the heart of the civil war: states rights and the power of the federal gov't. And it was either you or MEDC in a previous thread who mentioned that the Republican party was the party of Lincoln and the Democratic party was the party of slavery. Factually true, idealogically false in this day and age. But I probably shouldn't have brought it up in this thread.

And "my boys"? I don't think so: I'm a registered Republican (ok, that's so that I can vote for mayor in my town, which is always a contest between Republicans). Liberal? Hardly. What I am is a realist and where I stand on the issues straddles party lines.

At the moment I am dismayed by the misogyny of the Democratic party and the media; I was pro-Hillary and can't believe the treatment she received. I am dismayed by the attacks on Sarah Palin - again, IMHO, misogyny dressed up to look like viable criticism. I would never have thought that I could have as much disdain for flagrant liberals as I do for ultra-conservatives, but this election has changed that. My tax bracket says I should be voting for McCain. My gut says that I am probably closer in ideology to Obama. For me, abortion is a question between a woman and her G-d and I believe that the chances of Roe v Wade being overturned are slim. To be perfectly honest, it's not an issue for me, because as a child who was born four months after her parents were married, I would never have an abortion. Nor would my daughter. (And MEDC, all the people I know who had abortions were WHITE. Two of them had three)

It was said...it was all over the news the day it happened.

Nobody was claiming it wasn't said until the Secret Service said so.

pk, I appreciate your honesty about the history of democrats. No doubt they are not the same party they were back then. And thank God for that. I get angered when I see folks deny that very real past. [not you, but others]Denial of history helps no one.


As an ardent [REAL] feminist, I feel the same way. My mother and aunt were also pro-Hillary but are so disgusted with the sexism coming from the left they have switched their votes. And they are not pro-life by any stretch. The implication that she cannot handle the job because she is a woman is quite galling to those of us out here who know that women are quite capable.

and this means what?

The FACTS are that black women have a VASTLY disproportoinate numebr of abortions...outpacing white women by 3-1. It is the same type of comparison that we can use to look at welfare. While there are slightly more whites receiving welfare, the fact that blacks represent but 12% of the population clearly indicates a much higher percentage of blacks on welfare. Same with crime. It really is simple statistics.

Blacks are targeted for abortions.

Targeted? That's a laugh.

Everyone knows ****EDIT****.

One more reason to vote for McCain!

The purpose of this website is to reveal the disproportionate number of black babies exterminated by the abortion industry in America.

Although black women constitute only 6% of the population, they comprise 36% of the abortion industry’s clientele. The leading abortion providers have chosen to exploit blacks by locating 94% of their abortuaries in urban neighborhoods with high black populations.

This high rate of abortion has decimated the black family and destroyed black neighborhoods to the detriment of society at large.

blackgenocide.org

Untrue. Public opinion of Palin's ability to handle the job are based on what she has said or not said for that matter. Claiming it's all a matter of sexism completely overlooks the fact that she has shown only a rudimentary understanding of the issues facing our nation. If she's so insightful with ideas on how to tackle this country's problems, then why is the McCain campaign limiting contact with her at an uprecedented level? Why are all her speeches straight down the line of the McCain talking points? I don't deny that there are those that don't support her because of her gender, but to right off every valid concern as pure sexism wrong.

1. "As for that VP talk all the time, I'll tell you, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day?" --Sarah Palin, interview with CNBC's "Kudlow & Co", July 2008 (Watch video clip)

2. "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border." --Sarah Palin, explaining why Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience, interview with CBS's Katie Couric, Sept. 24, 2008 (Watch video clip)

3. "Well, let's see. There's -- of course -- in the great history of America rulings there have been rulings." --Sarah Palin, unable to name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with other than Roe vs. Wade, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008 (Watch video clip)

4. "All of 'em, any of 'em that have been in front of me over all these years." --Sarah Palin, unable to name a single newspaper or magazine she reads, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008 (Watch video clip)

5. "They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan." --Sarah Palin, speaking at a fundraiser in San Francisco, Oct. 5, 2008

6. "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending soldiers out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan." –Sarah Pailn, on the Iraq war, speaking to students at the Wasilla Assembly of God, June 2008 (Watch video clip)

7. "I'll try to find you some and I'll bring them to you." --Sarah Palin, asked by Katie Couric to cite specific examples of how John McCain has pushed for more regulation in his 26 years in the Senate, CBS interview, Sept. 24, 2008 (Watch video clip)

8. "That's exactly what we're going to do in a Palin and McCain administration." --Sarah Palin, elevating herself to the top of the ticket, Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Sept. 18, 2008 (Watch video clip)

9. "I told the Congress, 'Thanks, but no thanks,' on that Bridge to Nowhere." –Sarah Palin, who was for the Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it

10. "I'm the mayor, I can do whatever I want until the courts tell me I can't.'" --Sarah Palin, as quoted by former City Council Member Nick Carney, after he raised objections about the $50,000 she spent renovating the mayor's office without approval of the city council


Want2Stay

Yeah...abortion is ruining the black family. :RollieEyes:

I'm Krazy, but you are out of your friggin' mind.

The attacks on Palin are based on her stupidy, not on her gender.

AGG

No kidding. She's an idiot. A laughable pick by McCain.

Her gender is irrelevant.

Sorry, don't buy it, not for a minute. It's supply and demand - the clinics are located where the demand is highest, and, to some extent, the income and property levels are the lowest. To believe it's the other way around is illogical. You can't target people for voluntary procedures. Next you're going to tell me that people in Los Angeles are targeted for plastic surgery.

It's a choice. No one is abducting women and forcing them to undergo abortions. If the choice is being made overwhelmingly by black people, as you say, it isn't because they are being "targeted". It's because they are getting pregnant/making people pregnant and choosing not to carry the child to term.

It makes far more sense to look into the reasons for poverty, but that's not nearly as exciting and/or inflammatory a topic as abortion.

So much for the "they cheated the election" argument.

High court rejects GOP in Ohio voting dispute

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court sided Friday with Ohio's top elections official in a dispute with the state Republican Party over voter registrations.

The justices overruled a federal appeals court that had ordered Ohio's top elections official to do more to help counties verify voter eligibility.

Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner, a Democrat, faced a deadline of Friday to set up a system to provide local officials with names of newly registered voters whose driver's license numbers or Social Security numbers on voter registration forms don't match records in other government databases.

Ohio Republicans contended the information for counties would help prevent fraud. Brunner said the GOP is trying to disenfranchise voters.

In a brief unsigned opinion, the justices said they were not commenting on whether Ohio is complying with a provision of the Help America Vote Act of 2002 that lays out requirements for verifying voter eligibility.

Instead, they said they were granting Brunner's request because it appears that the law does not allow private entities, like the Ohio GOP, to file suit to enforce the provision of the law at issue.

About 200,000 of 666,000 voters who have registered in Ohio since Jan. 1 have records that don't match. Brunner has said the discrepancies most likely stem from innocent clerical errors rather than fraud but has set up a verification plan.

Want2Stay

yeah right, as if dems are not holding Sarah Palin to an entirely different standard than Joe Biden. If that was not the case, then we would hear about Joe Biden's much worse gaffes. Only Sarah Palin's intelligence is questioned. The sexist remarks made by democrats who don't believe a WOMAN can handle such a job and her children are appalling.

Sarah Palin not only has more experience and intelligence than Joe Biden, she has more experience than OBAMA, who has governed NOTHING. He is a senator with 3 years exp; She has governed a STATE. She has as much exp as Ronald Reagan or Jimma Carter, who were also state governers when elected.

Yet, no mention whatsoever of much worse gaffes by Joe Biden:

Biden said about Hezbollah: "When we kicked -- along with France -- we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon." Hezbollah was never kicked out of Lebanon.

He continued: "I said and Barack said, 'Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don't, Hezbollah will control it.'" ummmm… Lebanon is not a NATO country, nor had any NATO country been attacked by Lebanon.

Biden claimed that "John McCain voted against a comprehensive nuclear test ban treaty that every Republican has supported."

The last nuclear test ban treaty the Senate voted on was the one Clinton signed in the '90s. As The New York Times editorialized on the Senate vote a few years later: "Last week, Senate Republicans thundered 'no' to the nuclear test ban treaty, handing the White House its biggest defeat since health care in 1994." Forty-nine Republicans voted against the treaty; only four liberal Republicans voted for it. That's the treaty Biden says "every Republican has supported."

Ummmmmmm, and this is a guy who was supposedly chosen for his foreign policy experience!

During his interview with Katie Coo-Coo Biden said: "When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened.'"

Not only did he name the wrong president but Americans did not have TV in 1929.

No mention at all..

all this means is that the Ohio GOP did not have standing to bring the suit. It will just be reintroduced and ruled on at a later date. They did not comment on the merits of the filing.

I don't think that there's anything stupid or idiotic about a woman who managed to raise a large family and become the Governor of her state.

I think that what people object to about Palin is that she doesn't fit the mold so commonly associated with a strong female leader. But, as I told my father, where is it written that a feminist must be pro-choice and have mild religious views? Here on a marriage building forum, I will say that I am very impressed with the partnership she has with her husband. Disagree with her stance on the issues if you will, but you cannot deny her influence and impact.

Exactly. Well said.

AGG

Amen, pk.

So why did a sexist like me vote for Hillary? Your argument is amusing, but baseless.

AGG