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No HGTV?? That is the bomb!  Heh. My husband starts to hyperventilate when I start leafing through my Fine Gardening magazine. "What's she planning now? It's going to cost me!!" But he really is great about my pathological needs to surround myself with hibiscus plants every spring, and to add to the rose garden. Gardening is actually one of our main activities together, although we have vastly differing philosophies about mulch. I so agree with this. I discovered NY Times' bias about 10 years ago when I was in a political debate group with about 80 others. It was amazing how often the headlines did not match the actual STORY and how a politically inconvenient FACT would be buried in the article. My biggest shock was when they edited my letter to the editor about Congresswoman Maxine Waters. I had objected to her self designation as the "racial conscience of the House" and they re-arranged a couple of words to make it sound like I was agreeing that she was!  There is a good book titled Journalistic Fraud, written by attorney, Bob Kohn[?], a long time reader of the Times, that documents their bias. He was very outraged at what they had become. It was a very good read. But at least your letter to the editor got published, which is something, even if the Times used it for its own purposes. I'll have to look into that book and author.
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Wow! This is mind-boggling: The Salt Lake Tribune has endorsed Barack Obama Then, out of nowhere, and without proper vetting, the impetuous McCain picked Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate. She quickly proved grievously underequipped to step into the presidency should McCain, at 72 and with a history of health problems, die in office. More than any single factor, McCain's bad judgment in choosing the inarticulate, insular and ethically challenged Palin disqualifies him for the presidency.
Still, we have compelling reasons for endorsing Obama on his merits alone. Under the most intense scrutiny and attacks from both parties, Obama has shown the temperament, judgment, intellect and political acumen that are essential in a president that would lead the United States out of the crises created by President Bush, a complicit Congress and our own apathy. Along with the Chicago Tribune http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-chicago-tribune-endorsement,0,1371034.story?page=1 According to the Wall Street Journal, "The Tribune’s editorial board is one of the most conservative in the nation, and the backing of Obama marks the first time in the paper’s history that they’ve endorsed the Democratic candidate for president." and the Denver Post, the LA Times, and conservatives Christopher Buckley and Michael Smerconish http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/in-philly-conse.htmlMaybe the Apocalypse is at hand.
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You've certainly changed my mind about foster care and adoption. Thank God that little girl is not with you since she is a member of "that community" and there is an evident lack of compassion or understanding about the issues facing "her people".  I would venture a guess that I do more to help the black community than you...my dollars and my home are both a testament to that. from blackgenocide.org Between 1882 and 1968, 3,446 Blacks were lynched in the U.S. That number is surpassed in less than 3 days by abortion.
1,452 African-American children are killed each day by the heinous act of abortion.
3 out of 5 pregnant African-American women will abort their child.
Since 1973 there has been over 13 million Black children killed and their precious mothers victimized by the U.S. abortion industry.
In his Letter from a Birmingham Jail, Martin Luther King said, "The early church brought an end to such things as INFANTICIDE." What would Martin Luther King say to the church today?
The Rev. Jesse Jackson once said:
"That is why the Constitution called us three-fifths human and then whites further dehumanized us by calling us '[censored]'. It was part of the dehumanizing process. The first step was to distort the image of us as human beings in order to justify that which they wanted to do and not even feel like they had done anything wrong. Those advocates of taking life prior to birth do not call it killing or murder, they call it abortion. They further never talk about aborting a baby because that would imply something human. Rather they talk about aborting the fetus. Fetus sounds less than human and therefore abortion can be justified".
Jackson's massive flip-flop on the abortion issue is further proof that his political future is far more important to him than are his principles.
With 1/3 of all abortions performed on Black women, the abortion industry has received over 4,000,000,000 (yes, billion) dollars from the Black community.
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you know, I find it fascinating that some posters here...**edit**...refused to talk politics or race on these boards. In fact, it was repeatedly said by **edit** this wasn't the place for such a discussion. NOW that there is a candidate of color...well suddenly he/she is gung-ho. In fact, the issues...of which he/she once said he/she knew nothing about suddenly are his/her "forte`." I think this is just to make it appear as though race is not the driving issue behind the support he/she so vigorously offers now.
The support is paper thin...because it is based on race....as it is for the vast majority of that community. Obama could switch political parties tomorrow and have blacks support him at well over 90%.
It's sad to see those that feel they have been most affected by racism now using that very tool to try and get ahead. There is no substance or thought. Sad indeed.
For all of you that feel Obama's associations are not important, Bill Ayers has on display, inhis campus office, pictures of Mumia Abul Jamal. This man murdered a Philadelphia cop and crys racism regarding his conviction. His followers have muddied the waters in a clear cut case of murder (he was shot with the murder weapon in his hand a few feet from the officer). This is Bill Ayers TODAY. **edit** **edit** doesn't share your opinion about Obama. Neither do other people who are voting for him. She may be voting for him in part because of what he represents, racially. I say, so what? What's it to you? While some people can agree to disagree, **edit**
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Let me "blah", too, before this thread gets locked down. And I will speak directly, in the first person, present tense. Politically, I agree with you, ****edit****, on many different things. Abortion would be one of them. I am voting, in the upcoming election, not FOR John McCain, but AGAINST Obama's political agenda. On societal issues, we have much in common and might have harmonious discussions about our areas of agreement. I disagree with ****edit**** on almost every political statement she has made here. I think we could have a good time visiting together, IRL, but we would have to leave politics out of the picture.
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Many of the political postings here are done by people who have no claim to believe in the Bible, either Testament, or both. I'm not talking to them right here. But to my bickering, spatting, hitting, belligerent fellow Christians on this thread, please consider what you do, based on the words of Christ Himself. "By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another." (John 13:35)
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AGG, you are entitled to vote for whomever you wish for whatever reason you want to. As we all are  . But it's a bit of a stretch to say that Obama has the intellect, wisdom, and vision to lead our nation out of the toilet that it has been led into over the past few years. I did say that I think that he has those qualities. That would have to be proven out before I am convinced. Let's just say that I am convinced that the opposing candidates do not possess those qualities, so why would I take a chance on them? Obama's "vision" for America is Socialist domestically and naive internationally. Socialist stuff aside (since we have gone in the Socialist direction on Bush's watch), I must say that I welcome the idea of a more internationally oriented President. Bush's inward thinking has led us to become less relevant in the world at large, and I would like to see us again become a player in world affairs. I do believe that Obama can do that better than McCain, and certainly better than Sarah "what's a Passport?" Palin. You don't like who McCain picked as a VP? Fine. You think McCain picked Palin "just" to appeal to the Conservative base? Fine. Exactly. AGG
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However, my general philosophical agreement with you, Medc, does not extend to agreeing with your methods of interacting with others. I am okay with this. I have not sought your approval as to how I interact with others. As for the rest of your post, you're are certainly entitled to your opinion.
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Ok I have to say that I have been watching you guys go back and forth of this whole political thing. I wanted to add my 2 cents. With the state that this country is in right now, and McCain agreeing with Bush 95% time, and then for him to go out and pick Palin my confidence in him is not very high. I maynot agree with everything that Obama does, but I say I would rather pick the lesser evil. You all were saying that what Clinton did as a democratic President has the Country in the state it is if that is because of a democrat then how come Bush has been in office for the last 8 and he hasn't made the corrections to fix said problems.
Then this whole big to do about the hate filled McCain’s rallies. That McCain nor Palin had any problems with until they started getting negative press about. Then both Palin and McCain goes on about Obama being a terrorist when not only Sarah Palin, but her husband as well just this year were gathering supporters to have Alaska succeed from the U.S. When in history has a succesion of a state been peaceful?
Then McCain tries to bring Obama’s morals into question when he not only had an affair but, left his first wife for his current wife after she was disfigured in an auto accident. On top of that he has been known to be involved in illegal practices concerning bribes. They have nothing to gauge their attacks on Obama’s character but if you slander Obama’s name you don’ noticte how dirty their hands are.
We all need to open our eyes and see all these distractions for just what they are. They are trying to distract your attention from their dirty deeds by using lies to distracting you from the truth. Don’t be mislead. We need someone in office who is not willing to change their politics to get more votes because it suits their purposes. We already have a president that does that. The examples of McCain’s wish washiness is an insight into what he would do if elected President. He is obviously the kind of man who doesn’t care about anything more than advancing his own causes. He is all if a sudden preaching change, however he has yet to got into detail about how he plains to fix the issues with the economy.
However I think the scariest thought of all this is the thought of should anything happen to McCain, Palin is going to be in charge. The woman can’t even handle answering simple questions without choking up. How can she withstand the pressure of running a whole country?
We need to pick the best people for the job not make a choice based on irrational fears. If you are voting because you are afraid of how things will change because a black man has never been president. I say how can they get worse than what they are right now? Barack may not have the experience McCain has, however McCain’s experiences include illegal doings. Do we really want that to carry into the office?
If you think things are getting out of hand now. This is only the beginning I am certain it is going to get worse, the more desperate they become.
I would love to hear others opinions on the actions of McCain’s and his party. Just today a report came out that when the McCain’s head campaign in Florida was sending his supporters and telling them to try and make a link between Obama and Osama. During their discussion they didn’t realize that a reporter was amongst them.
Also if McCain is using is war experiences as a bid for his experience, how come his record is sealed? You would think if you are a war hero that one would be proud of the record. So why the need to have it locked? Ombama may not have the experience that McCain has, he maybe green and naive, but if the worse thing that can say about him is that he served on a board with a terrorist, then I definitely think he is the lesser of two evils.
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There is yet another person associated with Obama that I am even MORE concerned about...a man whom I believe is extremely dangerous for our country, a man who has the ability to destroy or build a nation's economy.
Google him.
George Soros OK, I did. Extremely dangerous?? I'd say extremely capable, wise, and selfless. If he's behind Obama, more power to Obama. support for the Solidarity labor movement in Poland, as well as the Czechoslovak human rights organization Charter 77, contributed to ending Soviet Union political dominance in those countries.[4] His funding and organization of Georgia's Rose Revolution was considered by Russian and Western observers to have been crucial to its success The bulk of his enormous winnings is now devoted to encouraging transitional and emerging nations to become 'open societies,' open not only in the sense of freedom of commerce but—more important—tolerant of new ideas and different modes of thinking and behavior. Soros' 2008 book, The New Paradigm for Financial Markets, describes a "superbubble" that has built up over the past 25 years and is now ready to collapse. This is the third in a series of books he's written that have predicted disaster. As he states:
I have a record of crying wolf…. I did it first in The Alchemy of Finance (in 1987), then in The Crisis of Global Capitalism (in 1998) and now in this book. So it's three books predicting disaster. (After) the boy cried wolf three times . . . the wolf really came. Soros has been active as a philanthropist since the 1970s, when he began providing funds to help black students attend the University of Cape Town in apartheid South Africa, and began funding dissident movements behind the iron curtain Brrrrr, very dangerous indeed.... :RollieEyes: AGG
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I'd say extremely capable, wise, and selfless. Selfless is not a word I'd use to describe someone who stole from the Jews and collaborated with the Nazi’s. Here is a partial transcript from an interview done by Steve Kroft for CBS' 60 Minutes George Soros on December 20, 1998 (Vintage footage of Jews walking in line; man dragging little boy in line) KROFT: (Voiceover) These are pictures from 1944 of what happened to George Soros' friends and neighbors. (Vintage footage of women and men with bags over their shoulders walking; crowd by a train) KROFT: (Voiceover) You're a Hungarian Jew… Mr. SOROS: (Voiceover) Mm-hmm. KROFT: (Voiceover) …who escaped the Holocaust… (Vintage footage of women walking by train) Mr. SOROS: (Voiceover) Mm-hmm. (Vintage footage of people getting on train) KROFT: (Voiceover) …by–by posing as a Christian. Mr. SOROS: (Voiceover) Right. (Vintage footage of women helping each other get on train; train door closing with people in boxcar) KROFT: (Voiceover) And you watched lots of people get shipped off to the death camps.Mr. SOROS: Right. I was 14 years old. And I would say that that's when my character was made.KROFT: In what way? Mr. SOROS: That one should think ahead. One should understand and–and anticipate events and when–when one is threatened. It was a tremendous threat of evil. I mean, it was a–a very personal experience of evil. KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson. Mr. SOROS: Yes. Yes. KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.Mr. SOROS: Yes. That's right. Yes.KROFT: I mean, that's–that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult? Mr. SOROS: Not–not at all. Not at all. Maybe as a child you don't–you don't see the connection. But it was–it created no–no problem at all. KROFT: No feeling of guilt?Mr. SOROS: No.KROFT: For example that, 'I'm Jewish and here I am, watching these people go. I could just as easily be there. I should be there.' None of that? Mr. SOROS: Well, of course I c–I could be on the other side or I could be the one from whom the thing is being taken away. But there was no sense that I shouldn't be there, because that was–well, actually, in a funny way, it's just like in markets–that if I weren't there–of course, I wasn't doing it, but somebody else would–would–would be taking it away anyhow. And it was the–whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. So the–I had no role in taking away that property. So I had no sense of guilt.Investor's Business Daily wrote this George Soros: The Man, The Mind And The Money Behind MoveOn
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Why am I not shocked that you think that what I earn should be distributed to those that refuse to get off their lazy butts and earn what they have? Okay America...Mimi has signed on to socialism. Let's make the switch. Wow, I guess I have socialistic thinking. I do agree that we are becoming a society of HAVES and HAVE NOTS. I agree with that view. Come on Mimi.....Our society has always been made up of people that have and people that have not. WE CANNOT ALL BE EQUAL. But you and others want the government to take money from people that HAVE it and give it people that HAVE NOT. Where does that make sense?? Today he's saying under $250K a year, what's it going to be next year, because you know that he's not going to be able to keep that so called promise? Under $150K then the next year under $100k and so on until he's taxing us all at 60% like he wants to tax the so called rich to continue to pay for entitlement programs? NO THANK YOU....I do not want any part of it. I do not need the government to steal from someone else to help me out.
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He apparently believes in a "whole world" government, thinks the answer to the drug problem is for the government to decriminalize drugs and even get into the drug business, etc.
SCARY!
HE is the one who is behind Obama! Read Revelations in the Bible, it talks about a "One World Government"
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[quote=JoJo422] The only things I watch on tv are Law and Order and hockey! Hockey ROCKS...  Who's your team?? Go Wings. GO PEN's Our 15 year old plays Travel ice hockey and it's AWESOME. I already dread it being over in 4 years.....  I hear you with the travel hockey, although I confess that I enjoyed it more when he was younger and it was less serious. This is my son's last year; he's on a bus to Pittsburgh with his team right now. Will he play in college? Magic eight ball says "reply hazy, try again". [/quote Your son play Juniors level?? We tried out for Juniors this year and made the time but the only Juniors division is 2 hours away. Combine 2 days a week practice that is 2 hours away along with the cost to play of $6K and we just couldnt afford it this year. Maybe next. You're right, at this age, Midgets, they are so rough and nasty on the ice.
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Exactly, Jojo!
Entitlement programs have created an entire generation of deadbeats. For every person who truly NEEDS help, there are 10 deadbeats looking to milk the system. I have seen it FIRSTHAND, from working with the programs, and the cost is much more than we can afford.
Better to find ways for people to help themselves than to just hand them the money!
IMHO, entitlement programs have become nothing more than a way for Democrats to buy votes at government expense.
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There is yet another person associated with Obama that I am even MORE concerned about...a man whom I believe is extremely dangerous for our country, a man who has the ability to destroy or build a nation's economy.
Google him.
George Soros OK, I did. Extremely dangerous?? I'd say extremely capable, wise, and selfless. If he's behind Obama, more power to Obama. support for the Solidarity labor movement in Poland, as well as the Czechoslovak human rights organization Charter 77, contributed to ending Soviet Union political dominance in those countries.[4] His funding and organization of Georgia's Rose Revolution was considered by Russian and Western observers to have been crucial to its success The bulk of his enormous winnings is now devoted to encouraging transitional and emerging nations to become 'open societies,' open not only in the sense of freedom of commerce but—more important—tolerant of new ideas and different modes of thinking and behavior. Soros' 2008 book, The New Paradigm for Financial Markets, describes a "superbubble" that has built up over the past 25 years and is now ready to collapse. This is the third in a series of books he's written that have predicted disaster. As he states:
I have a record of crying wolf…. I did it first in The Alchemy of Finance (in 1987), then in The Crisis of Global Capitalism (in 1998) and now in this book. So it's three books predicting disaster. (After) the boy cried wolf three times . . . the wolf really came. Soros has been active as a philanthropist since the 1970s, when he began providing funds to help black students attend the University of Cape Town in apartheid South Africa, and began funding dissident movements behind the iron curtain Brrrrr, very dangerous indeed.... :RollieEyes: AGG AGG, you should really read more than Soros' own website. I'm starting to think that he has bought the media and the Democratic Party, lock, stock and barrel. And, while I don't necessarily think Obama is a bad person (except that I can't reconcile allowing a baby who survived abortion to either be saved or to die with no compassionate care with NOT being a bad person!), I'm thinking that his eagerness to climb the political ladder may have caused him to unwittingly sell his soul to Soros. Since, it appears that Soros hand-picked Obama to be the Democratic nominee, I'm pretty sure that he will expect Obama to deliver whatever he wants. It should also be noted that Soros apparently has the financial power to destroy a nation's economy. In addition to the mortgage giants' financial misbehavior (btw, Barney Frank's boyfriend profited from said misbehavior...probably one reason Frank pushed to override John McCain's attempt to set limitations on them.), It's quite possible that Soros is even now manipulating OUR economy to further ensure Obama's election.
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Discuss the ISSUES-----NOT the other posters!!
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KROFT: (Voiceover) You're a Hungarian Jew…
Mr. SOROS: (Voiceover) Mm-hmm.
KROFT: (Voiceover) …who escaped the Holocaust… If you are indeed familiar with the Holocaust, you know what people had to do to get out alive. If you think that what Soros had to do as 14 year old boy was bad, I have news for you - it was what everyone did who wanted to stay alive. Do you have any idea what life was like for a Jew in Hungary in 1940? Do you have any idea what options they had? Simple - blend in or die. What I see is a man helping people all over the world. Helping fight oppression. Helping fight apartheid. I don't know enough about him to say he's an angel, I am sure he's not. But he is not running for President. And even if he was Obama's top adviser (which he's not), I don't see anything to worry about, or to be "extremely dangerous". Sorry, it's a stretch. AGG
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It should also be noted that Soros apparently has the financial power to destroy a nation's economy. So no doubt if he has the power to destroy a nation's economy, he has the power to fix it too. Cool. Something we sorely need. AGG
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