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Why am I not shocked that you think that what I earn should be distributed to those that refuse to get off their lazy butts and earn what they have?

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Originally Posted by mimi_here
I wasn't talking about the specific individuals, Forever..I was making reference to their POSITIONS.

As outlined in OUR GOVERNMENT, governors and mayors are not considered to be at the same level as Senators and Congressmen...is my point.

Mimi, the "point" is that your "point" is erroneous and irrelevant.

The Order of Succession has virtually NOTHING to do with being at the "level" of US Senators or US Congressmen.

That's why of the 16 named "successors," ONLY 2 are even Senators or Congressmen and are not even elected to a State office.


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Originally Posted by ForeverHers
So what makes him "qualified" for President and Sarah Paling "not qualified" for Vice President?

If it IS experience that you base "qualifications" on, then what specific experience categories ARE you using for your "non-physical" reasons?

I am not basing my decisions on "experience". I base it on who I think has the intellect, wisdom, and vision to lead our nation out of the toilet that it has been led into over the past few years.

I have listened to McCain, and aside from his anger, I think he might have had some good qualities. But, he has become much more divise recently, and started pandering to the extreme right wing. When he picked Palin, I lost more confidence in him.

As for Palin, I have not heard "boo" out of her that showed me any of the qualities I mentioned above.

As for Obama, I was extremely skeptical of him. When I saw the Rev. Wright stuff back in March (or whenever it was), I said to myself "Oh Em Gee... this guy will never win". So I did not vote for him in the primary.

But we are now where we are, and as much as I dislike both candidates, I dislike Obama less, because I do see intellect and vision there, which is something I do not see in mcCain and certainly not in Palin.

Despite others' efforts to make me into a liberal, I am a centrist. I despise all extremes. Had McCain not gone so extreme right (at least with his VP choice), I might have leaned his way.

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By the way, mimi, you DO understand that this is a Republic of States that have United together, right?

You do understand that the Constitution RESTRICTS the Federal government and RESERVES TO THE STATES authority in MOST things, right?

You do understand that the Federal Government and the Supreme Court has been doing their level best to take away the rights reserved to the States, right?

You do understand that the Congress has overstepped the Constitutional limits on the Federal Government, to say nothing of what the Federal Government is SUPPOSED to do, right?


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Originally Posted by mimi_here
I wasn't talking about the specific individuals, Forever..I was making reference to their POSITIONS.

As outlined in OUR GOVERNMENT, governors and mayors are not considered to be at the same level as Senators and Congressmen...is my point.

Your "point" is stupid.

What difference does succession make?

If you can't see that the head of the state GOVERNMENT isn't closer to the head of the national GOVERNMENT then there is no hope for a rational discussion.


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Originally Posted by AGoodGuy
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So what makes him "qualified" for President and Sarah Paling "not qualified" for Vice President?

If it IS experience that you base "qualifications" on, then what specific experience categories ARE you using for your "non-physical" reasons?

I am not basing my decisions on "experience". I base it on who I think has the intellect, wisdom, and vision to lead our nation out of the toilet that it has been led into over the past few years.

I have listened to McCain, and aside from his anger, I think he might have had some good qualities. But, he has become much more divise recently, and started pandering to the extreme right wing. When he picked Palin, I lost more confidence in him.

As for Palin, I have not heard "boo" out of her that showed me any of the qualities I mentioned above.

As for Obama, I was extremely skeptical of him. When I saw the Rev. Wright stuff back in March (or whenever it was), I said to myself "Oh Em Gee... this guy will never win". So I did not vote for him in the primary.

But we are now where we are, and as much as I dislike both candidates, I dislike Obama less, because I do see intellect and vision there, which is something I do not see in mcCain and certainly not in Palin.

Despite others' efforts to make me into a liberal, I am a centrist. I despise all extremes. Had McCain not gone so extreme right (at least with his VP choice), I might have leaned his way.

AGG

AGG, you are entitled to vote for whomever you wish for whatever reason you want to.

But it's a bit of a stretch to say that Obama has the intellect, wisdom, and vision to lead our nation out of the toilet that it has been led into over the past few years.

His intellect, as is McCain's, Biden's, and Palin's, is NOT in question. They are all intelligent people.

Obama's "wisdom" IS seriously in question, even if you feel like you want to overlook his "choices" and NOT "add it all up." That is the point regarding Obama's "judgment." It is clearly an outgrowth of his philosophy and his belief system. Clearly his stance on Abortion alone, even if you want to overlook his lack of intelligence in not knowing about Rev. Wright, not knowing about Bill Ayers, not knowing about the Chicago Teachers Union, etc.

Obama's "vision" for America is Socialist domestically and naive internationally. His total lack of any experience in any of the major issues domestically or internationally is dangerous as his "vision" is based on no experience and a lot of, at best, "wishful thinking."

You don't like who McCain picked as a VP? Fine. You think McCain picked Palin "just" to appeal to the Conservative base? Fine.

Just WHO did Obama "appeal to" when he picked Joe Biden for his VP? THE most liberal Senator picked the 3rd most liberal Senator to appeal to whom? Obama picked as his VP a guy who said, unequivocally, that Obama was NOT qualified to be President because the Presidency is NOT the place for "on the job training."

Obama's "vision" is self-serving and naive. He HAS learned (that's the intelligence part showing up) how to manipulate the voting masses with EMOTION and EMOTIONAL RESPONSES.

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No. You're kidding? Is that why it's called the UNITED STATES? Thanks for sharing.

I'm hearing STATES RIGHTS..STATES RIGHTS...I'm from the SOUTH..I've heard of that somewhere..

mimi, it is beneath you to "play a race card" like that, especially from someone who claims that "racism" is not part of her thinking.



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Thanks for the POLITICAL SCIENCE lesson. It was not my major but I did take a couple of courses in college..

You are quite welcome. Always happy to help fill in an educational void, probably caused by those shortened school days and shortened school years in a "Chicago-type" school system.


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mimi, it is beneath you to "play a race card" like that, especially from someone who claims that "racism" is not part of her thinking.

I didn't say anything about RACE and wasn't even thinking of RACE. Where did you get that? My goodness...

The way you said "The South" seemed to be referencing the Confederacy. If you meant something else, then perhaps I didn't read your mind correctly and misinterpreted the words.

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especially from someone who claims that "racism" is not part of her thinking.

I never said that RACISM is NOT a part of my thinking. Where are you getting this stuff?

I said that RACE is not the PRIMARY REASON for my support of OBAMA.

I can't avoid thinking about RACISM.

That would be DENIAL of REALITY.


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Ok, Big K. I guess you think Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton were highly qualified to be President. Is that more RATIONAL in your point of view? Probably not..

Actually yes - certainly more qualified than Obama. Even Arnie is more qualified than Obama.

But the ridiculous assertion you made that I was challenging was your comment about levels of government.


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Ok, Big K. I guess you think Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton were highly qualified to be President. Is that more RATIONAL in your point of view? Probably not..

Actually yes - certainly more qualified than Obama. Even Arnie is more qualified than Obama.

But the ridiculous assertion you made that I was challenging was your comment about levels of government.

If Obama wins, I'll just stop working and feed off the rest of you hardworking americans... just hope too many other people don't steal my idea.

You know... As we used to say in Soviet Russia, "We pretend to work, they pretend to pay us"

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There is yet another person associated with Obama that I am even MORE concerned about...a man whom I believe is extremely dangerous for our country, a man who has the ability to destroy or build a nation's economy.

Google him.

George Soros

He apparently believes in a "whole world" government, thinks the answer to the drug problem is for the government to decriminalize drugs and even get into the drug business, etc.

SCARY!

HE is the one who is behind Obama!


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Originally Posted by Want2Stay
Who is the worst President in the history of the United States?

GEORGE W. BUSH smirk

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Umm...wrong, honey!

JIMMY CARTER!!!


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The only things I watch on tv are Law and Order and hockey!

Hockey ROCKS... dance2

Who's your team??

Go Wings.

GO PEN's dance2

Our 15 year old plays Travel ice hockey and it's AWESOME. I already dread it being over in 4 years..... cry

GO DEVILS

I hear you with the travel hockey, although I confess that I enjoyed it more when he was younger and it was less serious. This is my son's last year; he's on a bus to Pittsburgh with his team right now. Will he play in college? Magic eight ball says "reply hazy, try again".

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you know, I find it fascinating that some posters here...**edit**...refused to talk politics or race on these boards. In fact, it was repeatedly said by **edit** this wasn't the place for such a discussion. NOW that there is a candidate of color...well suddenly he/she is gung-ho. In fact, the issues...of which he/she once said he/she knew nothing about suddenly are his/her "forte`." I think this is just to make it appear as though race is not the driving issue behind the support he/she so vigorously offers now.

The support is paper thin...because it is based on race....as it is for the vast majority of that community. Obama could switch political parties tomorrow and have blacks support him at well over 90%.

It's sad to see those that feel they have been most affected by racism now using that very tool to try and get ahead. There is no substance or thought. Sad indeed.

For all of you that feel Obama's associations are not important, Bill Ayers has on display, inhis campus office, pictures of Mumia Abul Jamal. This man murdered a Philadelphia cop and crys racism regarding his conviction. His followers have muddied the waters in a clear cut case of murder (he was shot with the murder weapon in his hand a few feet from the officer). This is Bill Ayers TODAY.

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