Any thoughts on this? Is the right wing going to speak up against this extremism, or are they going to rationalize it with explanations and justfications and the all too familiar "while I abhor their tactics I understand their sentiments" line?

Oh, and as was stated on Palin's thread, this thread is for comments about the article. It is not for conservatives to come here and spout their ideas.

AGG

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081027/ap_on_el_pr/skinhead_plot

WASHINGTON – Law enforcement agents have broken up a plot by two neo-Nazi skinheads to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and shoot or decapitate 88 black people, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives said Monday.

In court records unsealed Monday in U.S. District Court in Jackson, Tenn., federal agents said they disrupted plans to rob a gun store and target a predominantly African-American high school in a murder spree that was to begin in Tennessee. Agents said the skinheads did not identify the school by name.

Jim Cavanaugh, special agent in charge of ATF's Nashville field office, said the two men planned to kill 88 people, including 14 African-Americans by beheading. The numbers 88 and 14 are symbolic in the white supremacist community.

The men also sought to go on a national killing spree after the Tennessee murders, with Obama as its final target, Cavanaugh told The Associated Press.

"They said that would be their last, final act — that they would attempt to kill Sen. Obama," Cavanaugh said. "They didn't believe they would be able to do it, but that they would get killed trying."

An Obama spokeswoman traveling with the senator in Pennsylvania had no immediate comment.

The men, Daniel Cowart, 20, of Bells, Tenn., and Paul Schlesselman 18, of Helena-West Helena, Ark., are being held without bond. Agents seized a rifle, a sawed-off shotgun and three pistols from the men when they were arrested. Authorities alleged the two men were preparing to break into a gun shop to steal more.

The two men were arrested Oct. 22 by the Crockett County, Tenn., Sheriff's Office. "Once we arrested the defendants and suspected they had violated federal law, we immediately contacted federal authorities," said Crockett County Sheriff Troy Klyce.

Attorney Joe Byrd, who has been hired to represent Cowart, did not immediately return a call seeking comment Monday. Messages left on two phone numbers listed under Cowart's name were not immediately returned.

No telephone number for Schlesselman in Helena-West Helena could be found immediately.

Cowart and Schlesselman are charged with possessing an unregistered firearm, conspiring to steal firearms from a federally licensed gun dealer, and threatening a candidate for president.

The investigation is continuing, and more charges are possible, Cavanaugh said.

The court records say Cowart and Schlesselman also bought nylon rope and ski masks to use in a robbery or home invasion to fund their spree, during which they allegedly planned to go from state to state and kill people.

For the Obama plot, the legal documents show, Cowart and Schlesselman "planned to drive their vehicle as fast as they could toward Obama shooting at him from the windows."

"Both individuals stated they would dress in all white tuxedos and wear top hats during the assassination attempt," the court complaint states. "Both individuals further stated they knew they would and were willing to die during this attempt."

Cavanaugh said there's no evidence — so far — that others were willing to assist Cowart and Schlesselman with the plot.

He said authorities took the threats very seriously.

"They seemed determined to do it," Cavanaugh said. "Even if they were just to try it, it would be a trail of tears around the South."

The court documents say the two men met about a month ago on the Internet and found common ground in their shared "white power" and "skinhead" philosophy.

The numbers 14 and 88 are symbols in skinhead culture, referring to a 14-word phrase attributed to an imprisoned white supremacist: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children" and to the eighth letter of the alphabet, H. Two "8"s or "H"s stand for "Heil Hitler."

Helena-West Helena, on the Mississippi River in east Arkansas' Delta, is in one of the nation's poorest regions, trailing even parts of Appalachia in its standard of living. Police Chief Fred Fielder said he had never heard of Schlesselman.

However, the reported threat of attacking a school filled with black students worried Fielder. Helena-West Helena, with a population of 12,200, is 66 percent black. "Predominantly black school, take your pick," he said.

every single skinhead should be lined up and shot. Their racist and hate filled messages should not be tolerated by a civil society.

Help me understand what this has to do with the GOP?? I am missing something here.

Agreed.

What I wonder is to what extent these flames have been fanned by some of the rhetoric we have been hearing from some of the conservatives (Limbaugh et al). The constant emphasis on Democrats being unpatriotic, unamerican, communists, socialists, and what not, has got to be having some effect. As we discussed here weeks ago, you can't incite a riot and then act surprised when one occurs.

My question is, are conservatives holding those who fan these ideas accountable, or not?

AGG

Did I mention GOP? Nope.

Let's stay on topic of my thread - do we condemn rhetoric that leads to inciting these kinds of passions?

I wonder the exact opposite. How much have these people been incited by the hate filled rhetoric coming from the LEFT? We have democrat Murtha sliming people as "rednecks" and other examples coming from the left that have apparently inflamed these moonbats.

Are democrats who incite these people accountable or not? Shouldn't democrats control their mouths?

Actually you said "Is the right wing going to speak up against this extremism,"

Maybe you just forgot?

I thought you said this was not a place for conservatives to spout their ideas yet you ask their opinion?

Which is it? :RollieEyes:

Please forgive me crashing this thread or breaking your rules, GG.


But Mel?

What or whom is a MOONBAT??? Got pics?

moonbat=lunatic!

LMAO.

I have not seen 1 conservative fan these types of ideas.

AGG,

When I can walk in an afro-american area and feel safe I'll get excited about these reports. Just look at the crime statistics more afro-americans kill whites than vice-versa. Why dosn't the media talk about that form of racism, and ask why whites can't walk in all these areas. Haven't seen too much exclusion from white areas.

Even if they got away with it, it would be a drop in the bucket compared to afro-american crime statistics.

In Philly there was a group of Afro-hebrew wackos who used to spout off jems in front of city hall like, "the chinese were black before the white man spread his seed there", no [censored] I really heard that. There is no condemnation in the liberal media or the black community at large either.

Also in Philly saw posters by some black moslem asking the question "ARE THE JEWS HIDING THE TRUTH" again were these condemned in the media.

NJ

sure.

Simply, YOU are FABRICATING a link that does not exist.

Blacks in Philly are VERY racist....and it goes without retort.

It truly is a disgusting site.

Afro-Hebrew, eh? Well there's a real minority group.


Well, Amiri Baraka, who was the poet laureate of NJ, lost that position after he wrote the piece of crap, "Somebody Blew up America". In the poem he asserted, among other things, that 4,000 Israeli workers stayed home from the WTC on Sept 11. In other words, he broadly insinuated that Israel and the Jews were behind the attacks. He was roundly condemned, even by the "liberal media".

As for the skinheads, GG, I don't think that the right has anything to do with their despicable antics. Sadly, they don't need anyone to incite them - they do a good job being repulsive all on their own.

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