It is real easy to say what you like and dislike, however if you are not willing to aid in correcting said things or keeping them up once corrected, then what is the point?

If all abortions were reduced to for medical reason options only, how do deal with the consequences of the almost assured fall out afterward? They use to have women that went to grave lengths to get rid of an unwanted baby. Like going to unlicensed people to get rid of the babies(back alley abortions), Throwing themselves down a flight of stairs to miscarry. Ingesting poisons to get rid of the baby. Having someone beat them up while pregnant to get rid of the baby. etc, etc.

Does anyone really think that getting rid of non medical reason abortions will stop people from killing their babies'? I know as well as anyone of you that we can not stop everyone from getting rid of an unwanted pregnancy. Where there is a will there is a way. What we should be preaching to everyone is abstinence and/or safe sex. The fact that a school just had an AIDS outbreak that involved 50 or more kids is proof enough of that. If you ignore problems that does not make them go away.

No one likes the thought of killing an innocent child. The whole reason Roe vs. Wade even became a law is because the law officials saw this them selves.

The idea of bringing a beautiful baby into this world is very sacred to me. I have lost a dear friend because I didn't support her in having an abortion. The thought of killing a baby is unfathomable to me.Yet if I had to choose between making a woman that clearly does not want a baby to have it and either have her (a Mistreat and/or neglect the child because she didn't want it in the first place. (b She has the baby and puts the baby up for adoption and for the child to stay in the foster care system for it's entire childhood and having to deal with feeling unwanted because he/she was never adopted. or (c To make said women carry the baby to term only to have her throw the child in the trash or leave it at someone's door step. I think letting them have an abortion is the more humane of any of these choices.

I personally would not like to see any of these scenarios play out whatsoever. However if we are being honest to ourselves and each other you know things like this can and does happen. The world can be a mean, cruel, horrible place. Love it or hate, it is filled with people that can, will, and have done horrible things to themselves and others. We can't change others. However we can be the changes that we want to see in the world.

If you all are serious about seeing decrease in the abortion rate instead of going back and forth over the same subject, you can actually do things to make our society, stop focusing on the whole sex sells aspect of everything. You can write to stores and tell them to stop selling thongs for little girls, you can call toy makers and tell them you don't like the fact that they are selling baby dolls that wear more makeup then most women and then have half of their bodies exposed, as if all the make up wasn't bad enough. You can write in the broadcasting companies and tell them you don't like how on every other commercial that you see over sexualized scenes. If you truly want things to change these are of few of the options that you can take to if not stop the senseless killing of babies, at least slow it down. However to keep beating the same dead horse over and over again does nothing but focus on the problem. Put the stick down already he is dead. Start focusing on the solution to the problem, because only then will you see changes being made.

That is my two cent and I am sticking to it.

Thanks for the thoughtful post DIG. I rarely input anything into these topics. See, I am pro-choice. But I am also against abortion. These are actually not conflicting positions at all but generally not explainable to pro-life extremists. You've done a terrific job, IMO.

Hear, hear!

Well said...and this issue shouldn't be a partisan issue. But it is despite the contrary fact that a Nixon/Republican appointee, Hon. Justice Harry Blackman, actually authored the Roe v. Wade decision.

Can a Christian vote for a Democrat

Mr. Wondering

Please cite a reference if you claim something is "proof".

she/he may be referring to this. If so...she/he mispoke calling the "scare" a yet, unconfirmed, "outbreak".
Aids scare at high school

I googled with the same results you came up with. Not proof.

Here's another The Associated Press article link to the "scare." It isn't confirmed and it does not imply in the least that sex was involved in the exposure.

DIG...I agree with you as well that we need to focus on a solution to the fallout. It isn't something that will simply go away with a law. I don't profess to have the answer. I'm not sure that there is a good answer.

MS

Limiting abortions to a few as humanly possible would be the best answer. Achieving it by both sides of the issue working together to treat the root cause of the problem rather than the constant debate this issue always ends in. If we work together to reduce the number by 40-50-60 percent would that not be a joyous achievement? Something that both sides could take great satisfaction in?

Want2Stay

Why?

If there is nothing inherently wrong with abortion, and if abortion is truely a "privacy" issue and a "freedom of contraceptive rights" issue , then what possible difference does 1 or 100 abortions make?

It is illogical to say 1 abortion is OK, but we need to limit the number of abortions.

Anyone who says they are "pro-choice" abdicated their right to limit the number of choices ... if they truely believe it is a "right to choose."

If it is a RIGHT TO CHOOSE, then 1 or 100 abortions is equally a right choice.

Yay Pep!!!

Mrs. W

Not an easy subject or issue to find a solution that everyone can agree.

I came face to face with it two months ago when my teenage daughter announced she is pregnant. Not easy for a father to hear it but nevertheless my kids have never been afraid to be honest with me.

My wife's first reaction was get an appt at Planned Parenthood. Her fear of her dtr being saddled with such a burden is realistic and I still ponder how we will get through it sometimes. I am still processing this situation at this time - so bear with me.

My dtr refused the idea of abortion and adoption. The father I have found is now back in Mexico - nice standup guy.

I told my wife and daughter that I will support their decision but wanted to make it clear I do not like the idea of eliminating my grandkids - so I asked them to think and ponder on this for awhile for the reasons of not going through the pregnancy.

I aslo advised that lack of money is no excuse and that my Dtr education will still be first and foremost including finishing HS and College. I will not allow any family member to do without as long as I can provide for them.

In short, My wife and I realized that we signed up for a minimum a 7 yr gig as being the primary caregiver of a child.

I do not take likely what a young woman must decide and the fear this encompasses. Other families are not so forgiving and the burden of raising a child is no little challenge. It is a full time job.

I do not like to debate this subject but would like better solutions.

Do you have any evidence of this? I have heard all my life about all these deaths from "back alley abortions" but have not seen the evidence. Do you have it?

And secondly, wouldn't it be the woman's "choice" to get a back alley abortion or throw herself down the stairs? Does having "choices" mean we should have no consequences? Shouldn't women be accountable for risks they take?

And lastly, do you believe that since "choice" is so very special and cute, that it should be extended to ALL? Personally, I am very pro-choice, but I advocate extending it to ALL. Do you?

Mr. W, thank you for posting the link to that article.

Because we are guaranteed the Right To Privacy by our constitution. That's why the Supreme Court Justices made the decision they did. It's why it has lasted through the 7 of 9 supposed "pro-life" justices. When posed with the opportunity to overturn Roe v. Wade they changed their stance on this issue realizing that it would be in violation of their oath of office to uphold the constitution.

Personally, I would like to see them limited to as few as possible. At the same time though, I realize that people that make this choice are within there constitutional rights. That's why I believe the best answer to the problem is to eliminate the circumstances that lead women to making that decision.

Want2Stay

Want2Stay, you didn't answer her question, though. She asked why you think abortion should be limited. If there is nothing wrong with killing the unborn, then why should it be "limited" as you say?

And where in the Constitution does it state we have a "right to privacy" to kill others? Which article is that?

Thanks for that link Mr. W!

Here's another that ppl might find interesting, I haven't read everything there but I've glanced at it and others may want to also:

Liberals Like Christ

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.
Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mohandas (Mahatma) Gandhi

What a crock of crap. You could use that twisted logic to make any horror seem okay.

Hey, since these teens are in foster care and feel like no one cares about them...well, let's kill them. Hey, this old person here shouldn't be alive anymore because of....

what a crock.

abortion humane....sure...dissecting a baby...crushing its head, pulling off its arms and legs or cutting it in 4-5 pieces is humane...if you are a NAZI.