No matter who is elected.

If we focus our attention on what is being shown to our youth we stand a better chance of keeping them from getting pregnant in the first place. Check this out.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27506234

Bill O'Reily is funny. When Jamie Lynn Spears got pregnant he said it was clearly the parent's fault. Then when Palin was picked to run for office and it came out her DD was pregnant he said the parents are not to be blamed for their daughter's sitch.

Nothing is "being shown to our youth". Parents either allow their kids to watch certain programming, or they don't. European TV has been racier for years.

It's all about the parents being aware of what their kids view.

I agree about O'Reilly. He's a tool of epic proportions.

From your linked article:


And that continues to be the "message" brought to us by the proponents of Abortion on Demand.

"No consequences."

Do what you want to do and "remove" the inconvenient consequences you may run into.

And Bill O'Rielly has nothing to do with it.

jmho of course.

S. Ann Dunham was an unwed teen mother.
Lucky thing she did not believe in abortion!

Doesn't it make you wonder WHY he is so "supportive" of abortion? If it had been 12 years later, his mother might very well have made a different choice.

Did he feel so unwanted as a child? Did he feel that his mother was "punished" with him, just as he said he wouldn't want his daughters to be "punished" with a baby if they "made a mistake"?

Curious.

WH2LE

I don't know the why's and the why not's of why people choose to support abortions. I for one do not support them. I however am fairly certain of two things regarding them. 1 being that it took the supreme court to make Roe Vs Wade law and it will take them to unmake it. 2 that with or without it being against the law it will not stop woman/girls from having them done. No law can control people's actions they have laws against crimes and those same crimes are being committed everyday. Laws are made to try and maintain civility. However you can not make everyone follow the laws. That is the reason we have law enforcement. However they can only act after said crimes are committed.

Say for instance abortion was all of a sudden against the law, and a woman/girl found out she was pregnant and that she didn't want to have the baby. So she took drastic measures to end her pregnancy, yet she told everyone she miscarried. How will you know if she is being honest. What if she is found out to be lying. Then other women that really do miscarry that wanted to have their babies'. They would have to put their grief on hold because some other person decided to take advantage of a situation. Can you imagine if a poor mother really wanted to have her baby and miscarried and she had to be questioned like a common criminal. What that would do to her?

It would be great if people only made love to their spouses, only got pregnant for their spouses, and only had sex when they are married. It is what the bible says we should do. Yet the lord gave us all free will. Sometimes people make really ignorant choices. If they are smart the learn from their mistakes. If not then they are doomed to repeat them. With the war do you think that no pregnant woman get hurt/killed in the cross fire? No children? Atrocities are committed everyday. It is so sad. I wish I could do more to stop all the pain people suffer on a regular basis, yet I know I can only do so much. So I do what I can. I like the prayer

lord give me strength.

grant me the serenity
to accept the things i cannot change
courage to change the things i can
and the wisdom to know the difference

We can't all save the world, or even the people we love from themselves, however we can be the change we want to see in the world.

Check out this link.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081103/ap_on_re_us/safe_haven

My heart goes out to these poor kids.

I read this and I found it to be very touching. He is a beautiful writer.

My wife made me canvass for Obama; here's what I learned

By Jonathan Curley Jonathan Curley – Mon Nov 3, 3:00 am ET
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Charlotte, N.C. – There has been a lot of speculation that Barack Obama might win the election due to his better "ground game" and superior campaign organization.

I had the chance to view that organization up close this month when I canvassed for him. I'm not sure I learned much about his chances, but I learned a lot about myself and about this election.

Let me make it clear: I'm pretty conservative. I grew up in the suburbs. I voted for George H.W. Bush twice, and his son once. I was disappointed when Bill Clinton won, and disappointed he couldn't run again.

I encouraged my son to join the military. I was proud of him in Afghanistan, and happy when he came home, and angry when he was recalled because of the invasion of Iraq. I'm white, 55, I live in the South and I'm definitely going to get a bigger tax bill if Obama wins.

I am the dreaded swing voter.

So you can imagine my surprise when my wife suggested we spend a Saturday morning canvassing for Obama. I have never canvassed for any candidate. But I did, of course, what most middle-aged married men do: what I was told.

At the Obama headquarters, we stood in a group to receive our instructions. I wasn't the oldest, but close, and the youngest was maybe in high school. I watched a campaign organizer match up a young black man who looked to be college age with a white guy about my age to canvas together. It should not have been a big thing, but the beauty of the image did not escape me.

Instead of walking the tree-lined streets near our home, my wife and I were instructed to canvass a housing project. A middle-aged white couple with clipboards could not look more out of place in this predominantly black neighborhood.

We knocked on doors and voices from behind carefully locked doors shouted, "Who is it?"

"We're from the Obama campaign," we'd answer. And just like that doors opened and folks with wide smiles came out on the porch to talk.

Grandmothers kept one hand on their grandchildren and made sure they had all the information they needed for their son or daughter to vote for the first time.

Young people came to the door rubbing sleep from their eyes to find out where they could vote early, to make sure their vote got counted.

We knocked on every door we could find and checked off every name on our list. We did our job, but Obama may not have been the one who got the most out of the day's work.

I learned in just those three hours that this election is not about what we think of as the "big things."

It's not about taxes. I'm pretty sure mine are going to go up no matter who is elected.

It's not about foreign policy. I think we'll figure out a way to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan no matter which party controls the White House, mostly because the people who live there don't want us there anymore.

I don't see either of the candidates as having all the answers.

I've learned that this election is about the heart of America. It's about the young people who are losing hope and the old people who have been forgotten. It's about those who have worked all their lives and never fully realized the promise of America, but see that promise for their grandchildren in Barack Obama. The poor see a chance, when they often have few. I saw hope in the eyes and faces in those doorways.

My wife and I went out last weekend to knock on more doors. But this time, not because it was her idea. I don't know what it's going to do for the Obama campaign, but it's doing a lot for me.

Jonathan Curley is a banker. He voted for George H.W. Bush twice and George W. Bush once.

Here is the link

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20081103/cm_csm/ycurley;_ylt=AnOzFM2l120Kf7bC5ZafKEas0NUE

Well, this will be an unpopular view, but I talked to all of my kids - 8 of them, about abstenance, from the time they were very young. BUT, one by one when I figured out they were having sex, I talked to them about birth control.

Many think that is like giving them permission, but I think it is protecting them. I explained to my boys that they might be madly in love, but the girl could end up pregnant, and they will be paying child support for 18 years. And things may not work out, and they will be paying child support even if the girl hooks up with some other guy and she gives him the child support to make his car payments.

I advised the girls to wait until they were married, or they may end up with a guy who doesn't want to raise their child.

They were also raised by values against abortion.

My ex's first daughter (the oldest) held out until she was married. The second one has 4 kids by 4 different fathers. The third daughter held out until she married. My son's have no kids, and no abortions. My ex's only son did have sex with his wife before they married, but got married and has 2 sons. The youngest girls both had abortions.

So it doesn't work for each child. But the youngest two were 13 and 11 when my ex had his affair, and kind of went their own way. I had no contact with them, and their mom was off doing her own thing.

EXACTLY...there is definitely a MESSAGE of HOPE...

Simple....get all the men to 'keep their pride tied'. If they aren't willing to be responsible for birth control, they should just abstain.

Believer you have 8 kids. You are better than me. That is twice the amount I have and mind as much as I love them have me at times wanting to run out the house screaming. You should feel proud you did the best you could by trying to teach your kids the right way. The ones that have strayed will more than likely return to the right path. You know like the Prodigal son? It will all work out. I feel like we are all put in the situations we are in to learn from them. It is up to the person whether the choose to learn from it or not. The fact that some of the kids did the right thing is great, the fact that some didn't shows that they chose to follow their own choices and there fore will have to live with the consequences of their actions. If you don't mind me asking how old were the two youngest when they had the abortions and was it their choice or did someone talk them into getting them?

Amen to both Mimi and Cinderella.

DIG - My ex and I had a blended family. I have 2 boys, and he has 3 girls and a boy and the 2 sisters of his kids. When we married, they were between 2 and 10.

Their mom had 6 kids by 5 different men and has been a drug addict for 30 years. So there were lots of problems.

The 2 youngest had abortions at 15 and 17. They were on my insurance. And that is how I found out. I am a federal worker, and our insurance doesn't pay for abortions. So the claims were denied, and when I called, my insurance wouldn't tell me why. But I put two and two together, and talked to each girl. I let them know that it was against my beliefs and my insurance DID pay for the lab tests leading up to the abortions. So I took them both off my insurance.

Some people might think that is cold, but that is how I feel.

I don't think it is cold and the fact that you kicked then off of your insurance due to their poor choices is making them feel the consequences of their actions. I am sure it was hard for you to do but you have to teach them. Even if they are mad now. They will understand why you did what you did in time.

I certainly don't say I have the answer, however I did have this discussion recently with my 15 year old daughter. One of the things we discussed was the importance of making sure that if my child made the decision to have sex and ended up pregnant that I would still love them and accept them for who they were. That their bad choices would not take that love away or change it.

One thing I believe that we are not good at is not making our children feel incredibley ashamed when this occurs. I have been in a church that shamed a young mother. Instead of embracing her as a person, and helping her to not make the same choice again, the shame pushed her away, and well she ended up pregnant again. The shame her family dealt with. I could not believe what was being said and how it was handled. However she is living with the consequences and they are hard but I couldn't love her more for the steps she has taken to take care of her kiddos. What an amazing testimony she will have. And her boys are amazing. I am so thankful that she chose not to abort them, who know the potential they have or what they will become. One never knows if they will be the husband to someones child on this board, or save someone's life.

I believe for kids we need to teach them to wait, knowing however that just like us adults they will make the wrong choices. Look at what degrees we go to to bring our spouses back. What lengths are we willing to go to, to make sure our kids know how much we love them.

After this discussion my daughter then said, "mom if it happens to someone it's only 9 months out of their life to give to that baby. They can give the baby to someone who can't have kiddos." And she is right. However we have become an entitlement society and we dont want to be inconvenienced or have to deal with our consequences.

I wonder how many people who have had abortions have actually seen one performed and what happens afterwards. I did in my younger years when I was in nursing. I have to tell you the images still haunt me. I just don't get it. Nine months is such a short time.

I was checking out this website and I have to say looking at these stories,makes me think there should be a law against certain individuals having kids. This is heartbreaking, and the type of thing I was referring to. You can either have abortions or more sorry souls doing things like this to innocent helpless babies.

I really would like to hear others opinions on these atrocious stories.

http://www.parentsbehavingbadly.com/

Babies...born or unborn should not be punished for the deeds of their parents.

Using the logic that we either have abortions or more stories like this...one could justify any horror against another person or group of people based upon the behaviors of some in that group.

No matter how atrocious some of these stories are...and I KNOW first hand how bad some of them are...it does not begin to compare with the senseless slaughter of a million babies per year.

I am in no way justifying abortion. I am thinking more along the lines of sterilizing unbalanced individuals. I am sure that most of these sick people that have children show signs of being unbalanced long before they have kids. So why are they allowed to even to get to that point? You know like chances are if someone shows signs of improper sexual behavior like rape or beastitality etc. If they do not show they are getting better or have gotten help for these issues should it be ok for them to have babies and secondly what kind of person unless forced to do so would willing have babies by someone that is sick like this unless they themselves are sick? I don't understand it. I agree no child should have the sins of their parents visited upon them. I am not saying that we should make abortions be more acceptable due to these things. I never said that. I am saying I would much rather these people have abortions then bringing these poor babies into these unstable environments. I am uncertain as to what can realistically be done as far as keeping said sick individuals from having babies, but is doing nothing any better than continuing to allow this to happen? I mean we all have witnessed instability in people in one form or another. However I know just like you that they actually have sick people that prey on these poor mentally unstable individuals because to them they are easy pickings. I don't think forced abortions or sterilizations are any better but it is clear that something must be done the big question is what?

I mean we can either continually have people turn a blind eye to this type of behavior or we can try and corral it. However I am sure I am like most people that see these things like this happening on a regular basis would love to bring them to a stop. However my hands are tied. As much as I would love to take the law into my own hands to people to either intentionally or unintentionally doing things to cause pain to other but I have to have follow the law just like the next person the feels like I do. That is why I have so much sympathy and pride for people that have to try and bring people like this to justice. They not only have to try and keep things like this from happening, but they have to keep themselves in check to not become like the very people they chase.

That is a very dangerous slippery slope called eugenics. From Wikipedia:

I've stated this before and this board strongly disagrees with me, but I'll state it again anyway. I'm pro-choice, but anti-abortion. What that means is that while I am against abortion I am also against taking another person's freedoms away. These two views do not have to be contradictory.

Anti-abortion laws don't work to prevent abortions. Plain and simple. All they do is take them underground and create greater risks to both the mother and fetus. They also generate a huge bias against the poor as rich women can easily go somewhere else and have it done safely. The question that really needs to be asked is why do women choose abortion even under risky circumstances?

In my opinion, it would be far more effective to address the various reasons that make abortion an attractive choice to these women. Some obvious things include education to help prevent unwanted pregnancies as well as inform women of other options available. But also societal things - like providing health care to pregnant women, better maternity benefits (for some women, getting pregnant means losing their job and livelihood), better health care for children, better support for pregnant women in general. Basically, create a society that, with the exception of serious complications in the pregnancy, continuing the pregnancy to term is a viable option in even the most hopeless situations. There is no single answer but there are a lot of improvements that can be made, each one having it's own effect on the overall numbers. And doing so not only will have a real, measurable impact on the number of abortions, but it will also NOT infringe upon the basic rights of the mother as well.