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My WH says he can't explain why it happened. Is there some tool/questionaire that is available that can help get to the bottom of why he would cheat on me?
He and my C say that I may never know why and that I am going to have to accept it. I think that is ridiculous. How can we fix something when we don't know what went wrong?
Any WS that can help explain why they did it if they were in what seemed like a loving, happy relationship?
BW - Me - 39 WH - Him - 46 Married 5/23/1998 DDay - 10/11/2008 currently separated - headed for d-court DS - 8 DS - 6 DD - 4
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When a person is fogged out and in the midst of an affair, he/she doesn't even KNOW why it happened. Your H hasn't even ended contact, so he is still naturally fogged out.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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The "why" is very elusive. Best shot at getting the How, when, where, who, what.
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Got all that, but still doesn't help me. I don't understand how someone can do this and know that they are risking losing their family. It seems so pointless.
All I can come up with is that it was a cry for help. That ultimately he does want out but he can't articulate that because of our kids, and the guilt associated with it. A retarded excuse, I know, but that is where I am at.
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th, why ask a falling down drunk why he gets drunk? He is drunk; he doesn't know!
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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All I can come up with is that it was a cry for help. That ultimately he does want out but he can't articulate that because of our kids, and the guilt associated with it. A retarded excuse, I know, but that is where I am at. Here is my attempt at answering the Why? I agree with you that its a cry for help or rather the way I like to see it a desperate act. A destructive act that the WS knows will not help the Marital situation but some how for what ever reason is in too low on a mental state to care. Kinda like when you are on trying to loose weight and step on the scale and realise that you have gained a pound. At that point you think what the heck I may as well eat the Hersheys candy bar I have been trying to deny myeslf. You know eating that bar is not going to help towards your ultimate weight loss gain but you do it any way. Having an A does not necessarily mean that the person wants to leave ,no more than me eating that candy bar means I no longer want to loose weight. I want to loose the weight I am just frustrated that its not happening so I no longer care in that moment about doing what is actullay required towards weight loss. IMHO instead of trying to figure out the philosophical "WHY" if you put some effort into talking and listening to the true state of your relationship you will discover what was missing. I know it does not seem possible but the more the 2 of you are O&H with each other the sooner you can start to try to re-attach and begin to rebuild what has been shattered. Sorry you find yourself with this hopeless feeling, I have been there and I can tell you it will get better. Hang in there.
FBW(me)- 45 FWH- 53 D-day 4/29/08 Moving forward pursuing happiness & a loving Marriage with DH.
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One question from Shirley Glass's book "Not just Friends' is What did you tell yourself to give yourself permission to have an affair? Maybe not those exact words, but close. Maybe he could answer that. Try not to dwell, we may never know the workings of the wayward mind. GF
Marriages don't fail, people do.
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I'm not a WS, but how about this for an explanation?
He wanted something that she was offering.
He wanted that thing more than he wanted to guard against a 100% risk to your relationship (because he's just not completely risk averse).
He didn't want that thing enough to end your relationship in order to get.
He wanted that thing more than he cared about his own personal integrity (assuming it's against his sense of integrity to cheat on you).
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I just have a problem with the question itself.
If you go by the premise that there is no excuse for an affair, then no amount of "why" will ever satisfy. There is no "why".
There are only rationalizations to justify immoral behavior.
I don't believe any BS will ever get a satisfactory answer to that question.
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If you go by the premise that there is no excuse for an affair, then no amount of "why" will ever satisfy. There is no "why".
There are only rationalizations to justify immoral behavior.
I don't believe any BS will ever get a satisfactory answer to that question. Agreed. You will probably never know the "why" of it because the WS probably doesn't even know why it happened or why they did it. Just get what information that you can and deal with that. As with most of the crazy things in life, there is no "why". Good luck 
You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist. ~ Friedrich Nietzsche
The person who is always finding fault seldom finds anything else.
I pity the fool. - Mr. T
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I struggled with this for a long time too. I realized that I was trying to answer a question that is impossible to answer. There will never be an answer that is satisfactory, therefore, we will continue to dig for the "real" answer. When the real answer may be completely incomprehensible to us as the BS.
The answer we hear may be as simple as "It just happened." or "I don't know." or "It started as a friendship and all of a sudden I was having an affair." And that doesn't seem like ENOUGH to justify the amount of hurt and pain that we are suffering. SO we continue to look for the answer to the question "why."
I found that, in the end, I had to let go of the "why" in a sense. I looked at the circumstances that allowed it to happen within our M - the things that we weren't protecting or doing - but I let go of "how could you" which I think is really what we're asking when we ask "why."
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BW (me) FWH (him - he's earning the F) 3 boys (4, 5, and 7) M 1997 LT EA/PA 2004-2007 D-Day #1 Feb 2006 Joined MB. D-Day #2 Feb 2008 D-Day #3 Aug 2008 Began REAL recovery Sept 2008.
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Mogi,
Yes, a lot of MY "Why?" was really a "How could you" in disguise. I mean, I really DID want to know why in a real sense, too, so that I could address the causes.
Didn't recognize the other question under my "Why?" until you pointed that out. I've long known I will never really understand why, but this makes it easier to just let it go and enjoy what we've been building. Thanks.
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Me BS 61 Him FWS 63 Married 40 years D-Day 6/30/06 Still can't believe it. 6/08 Recovering nicely. Anything is possible!
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My WH says he can't explain why it happened. Is there some tool/questionaire that is available that can help get to the bottom of why he would cheat on me? TH, the most likely reason is that he fell out of love. However, that can be turned around if he ends his affair and follows this program. Falling back in love with you is the way to affair proof your marriage. Here is what Dr Harley about says about trying to find out why one had an affair: An analysis of the betrayed spouse's childhood or emotional state of mind in an effort to discover why he or she would have an affair is distracting and unnecessary. It takes precious time away from finding the real solutions. I know why people have affairs: We are all wired for it. Given certain conditions, we would all do it. Given other conditions, however, none of us would do it. So the goal of the first step is to discover the conditions that made the affair possible and eliminate them. entire article here
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I just have a problem with the question itself.
If you go by the premise that there is no excuse for an affair, then no amount of "why" will ever satisfy. There is no "why".
There are only rationalizations to justify immoral behavior.
I don't believe any BS will ever get a satisfactory answer to that question. At first, the question: " Why did you do that?" is really " What is wrong with me?" in disguise. Later in the process: ... " Why did you do that?" is really " What is wrong with you?" in disguise. Sooner or later, the BS figures out that the problem lies within the WS ... and the intent of the "why" question changes.
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Pep - I agree. You start out trying to figure out what you could have done differently to make it so that the A never happened. My H actually got to a point where he told me that I could have been the "perfect wife" and he still would have had the A. Ouch...but at the same time, it was important to really understand that.
That's where the shift comes to it being HIS responsibility. My H has really had to look at not only the things that he was doing that allowed him to be vulnerable to an A, but also the FOO issues that created circumstances in our M that made it possible for the A to happen. I will NEVER condone the A, but he is searching for the possible motivations within himself.
It is so easy to get caught up in trying to answer the question of why that you can forget to work on the recovery beyond that. There is a point where you let go of the A and focus on your M. I came to the realization that with our M, it wasn't this specific OW that made the A happen, it was what H and I were doing/not doing that made it happen. It became less about the A and more about fixing ourselves.
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BW (me) FWH (him - he's earning the F) 3 boys (4, 5, and 7) M 1997 LT EA/PA 2004-2007 D-Day #1 Feb 2006 Joined MB. D-Day #2 Feb 2008 D-Day #3 Aug 2008 Began REAL recovery Sept 2008.
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I posted this back in June on my Musings thread (on page 10) linked in my sig line. Frank Grunzburg points out that there can be many reasons that can point to why an affair happened. THIS FROM Grunzburg:
• Some people cheat because they aren’t getting their needs met within the marriage and are under the deluded notion that going outside the marriage to get them met is a legitimate answer. It isn’t. • In some cases people cheat because they have never learned to honor boundaries. They know the boundaries are there, but do not hesitate to step over them. • Some, usually men, think that they are not real men if they turn down an invitation from someone attractive. • Some people are thrill seekers who just can’t pass up the opportunity to get a thrill. The very fact that they are doing something that is considered taboo compels them to engage in an affair. • Some may cheat because they have low self esteem. They get a sense of self worth from finding someone who is attracted to them and cares about them. • In some cases, a person may have a sexual fetish that their partner is not willing to meet, so they go outside of their marriage in order to have these selfish desires fulfilled. • A very common theme is that people cheat because their spouse no longer makes them feel special. These people go outside the marriage thinking that someone else might fill this gap.
Whatever the reasons, cheaters cheat because they have the mistaken notion that going outside their marriage will solve their problems or fulfill some unmet need or complete some aspect of their character.
Grunzburg suggests that some people have a defective sense of commitment. He says this usually applies to men. They expect themselves to be totally honest in all aspects of their lives in every situation, but feel they don’t have to be when it comes to dealing with women. Though they vehemently deny it, these men have a denigrating view of women in general, placing them into a second class status
Grunzburg goes on to say that you can ask the question “Why” until you are blue in the face and each time get a different answer. You will never get an acceptable answer because there really is not an answer that will make infidelity acceptable to the betrayed spouse.
The reason a betrayed spouse seeks this answer of course is that they feel that they need to find out why an affair happened in order to prevent it from happening again in the future. This is really based on the mistaken notion that in order to change a behavior you must know why it is happening. This is a relatively common idea in modern psychology that seeks to explain why a person acts in a certain way based on some experience or lack of experience of the past.
But you don’t have to understand family dynamics and chemical reactions in the brain in order to stop smoking. The action can be avoided without understanding the addictive properties of nicotine or the emotional component that compelled a person to begin smoking to begin with.
In some cases exploring what went into the cheater’s choice to cheat can help protect them against doing it again, but that isn’t universally true and it isn’t understanding why it happened that will keep your partner from cheating again. It will instead take hard work, by both the betrayed and the betrayer to avoid future affairs by changing the relationship at its foundational level. Much of this work will be in regard to communication which must be completely honest, not about the affair and why it happened, but about unmet needs, wants, desires and resolution to conflicts that can cause a rift within the marriage.
Neither of you need investigate why it happened in order to recommit to changing things going forward, and remain faithful to each other in the future. It does require a sincere commitment to doing things right from now on and a willingness to work together to rebuild the foundations of the marriage.
What is most important is that both of you want to do what it takes in order to heal and restore the relationship.
Asking “why” will most likely result in answers that are nothing more than justifications from the wayward spouse. It will be a list of things that were “wrong” with the betrayed spouse and the relationship, most of which can be dismissed as simply unacceptable in answer to the question. There is no justifiable reason to cheat and break your vows. Selfish desires, past wrongs either real or perceived and a lack of something in the marriage cannot make cheating acceptable since if a marriage is not worth keeping, then it should be dissolved before an affair takes place. Most often the list of “whys” is composed primarily of things that the wayward spouse used in order to justify the affair to him/herself at each step along the way. They were created in response to the affair rather than being the cause.
Grunzburg suggests that it might be time to let go of this question. While there might be reasons why it happened, figuring out doesn’t take you much closer to rebuilding your trust and reconciling your relationship. What he says will move you in that direction is figuring out what each of you needs from the relationship, communicating how these needs have been neglected and working out how your needs can be interfaced with your spouse’s needs so that both of you can get what you need and want. Mark
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