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Why do you care who kills the baby? At the end of the day the baby is dead. Is it somehow worse to you that the mother doesn't want it to happen? Now you know how all of us Pro-Lifers feel about EVERY abortion.
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So whats the problem? Maybe the Chinese govt decided they have "CHOICES" too? It is their "belief" that this is not murder so they are fully justified, using your logic. I thought you were pro-choice?
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Why do you care who kills the baby? At the end of the day the baby is dead. Is it somehow worse to you that the mother doesn't want it to happen? Now you know how all of us Pro-Lifers feel about EVERY abortion. I guess its good if the mother kills the baby but BAD if the Chinese govt kills it?  not quite sure how that logic works.
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Then being in favor of a woman's right to choose is not being in favor of killing babies. Is it just me or is there a total lack of critical thought on display in this post? How do you figure? My wife and I support a woman's right to decide whether or not to have an abortion. Neither of us would want her to have an abortion, except in extreme, rare circumstances. Therefore, we are pro-choice and NOT pro-abortion. Duh. Just how many people do I have to help before I can post any ridiculous nonsense I choose, and feel entitled to do so without being questioned? I'm not sure of the number...but when you get your first one it might be easier to figure out. Oh, I've already logged more than one. Do I get my free pass yet?
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Therefore, we are pro-choice and NOT pro-abortion. Duh. weasel word semantics. puhleese :RollieEyes: Nor are you "pro-choice". Not unless you advocate that "CHOICE" be extended to the one whose life is up for grabs. If not, then it is disingenuous doublespeak to say you are "pro-choice." It is bullcrap. One is either for or against; pro or anti, you can't weasel out of that.
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Is it somehow worse to you that the mother doesn't want it to happen? Since I am pro-choice, then YES!!!!! So whats the problem? Maybe the Chinese govt decided they have "CHOICES" too? It is their "belief" that this is not murder so they are fully justified, using your logic.
I thought you were pro-choice? Read carefully! The Chinese gov't has TAKEN AWAY the mother's choice. THIS is what I'm opposed to! I guess its good if the mother kills the baby but BAD if the Chinese govt kills it? not quite sure how that logic works. I really don't know how you read this into my posts. I've said from the start, I am pro-choice, anti-abortion. It isn't good if the mother has an abortion. It isn't good if the Chinese gov't (or any other) forces the mother to have an abortion. It isn't good if any government takes away a persons control over their own body, no matter what it is. THAT is my point. You want to eliminate abortion by legal means. I want to reduce them by other means. That's the difference. The end goal is the same - fewer abortions. I don't know why you feel the need to insult me repeatedly over this.
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sure he is pro abortion...but just for those that choose to kill their baby.
"Hey, I would never molest a child or commit adultery...but if you want to...go ahead."
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Is it somehow worse to you that the mother doesn't want it to happen? Since I am pro-choice, then YES!!!!! So whats the problem? Maybe the Chinese govt decided they have "CHOICES" too? It is their "belief" that this is not murder so they are fully justified, using your logic.
I thought you were pro-choice? Read carefully! The Chinese gov't has TAKEN AWAY the mother's choice. THIS is what I'm opposed to! I guess its good if the mother kills the baby but BAD if the Chinese govt kills it? not quite sure how that logic works. I really don't know how you read this into my posts. I've said from the start, I am pro-choice, anti-abortion. It isn't good if the mother has an abortion. It isn't good if the Chinese gov't (or any other) forces the mother to have an abortion. It isn't good if any government takes away a persons control over their own body, no matter what it is. THAT is my point. You want to eliminate abortion by legal means. I want to reduce them by other means. That's the difference. The end goal is the same - fewer abortions. I don't know why you feel the need to insult me repeatedly over this. all this concern for the murderous moms rights...but what about the babies right to live and not be pulled apart piece by piece. I am pro-choice, anti-abortion this is absolutely ludicrous.
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. It isn't good if the Chinese gov't (or any other) forces the mother to have an abortion. It isn't good if any government takes away a persons control over their own body, no matter what it is. THAT is my point. But the Chinese goverment believes it is a good thing. Therefore they are justified because one's "belief" justifies anything. Right? Secondly, the Chinese government also has "choices." They choose to exercise those "choices." 
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Therefore, we are pro-choice and NOT pro-abortion. Duh. weasel word semantics. puhleese :RollieEyes: Nope...not unless you're incapable of seeing the difference between the two terms. I thought I laid it out for MEDC so that a grade-schooler could understand it...maybe I can attach pictures to my next attempt. Nor are you "pro-choice". Duh, yes I am. I am for the right of the mother to choose to have an abortion or not. Can you wrap your brain around that simple concept, or do you always try to gaslight anyone who has an opinion that offends you? Yes, I am pro-choice whether you like it or not. It is a fact, not an opinion. Not unless you advocate that "CHOICE" be extended to the one whose life is up for grabs. If not, then it is disingenuous doublespeak to say you are "pro-choice." It is bullcrap. Funny...I've never heard a single fetus speak out against abortion. Giving a fetus a say in the matter isn't going to help your cause. Did you ask your dog if it wanted to be fixed, too? Disingenuous doublespeak? Laughable. If you can't understand the difference between supporting the right to choose, and going to the clinic and having an abortion yourself, you shouldn't be debating the topic because you are too myopic (at best) too even begin to have a sane discussion. It's either your way, or no way. :RollieEyes: Yeah, I'm pro-choice. If that makes me pro-abortion, why do I have two children? Shouldn't I have aborted them?
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I am pro-choice, anti-abortion this is absolutely ludicrous. If it can't be true, why are my kids still alive? It's amazing that pro-life people fight this point, only so they can continue assocating the term "pro-choice" with "pro-abortion". It's all about name-calling.
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Since I am pro-choice, then YES!!!!! Since you so big on CHOICE how about we let the baby be born and when he/she can CHOOSE (which you advocate) we can ask him/her if it's OK to kill them?
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because you and your wife decided that your kids were worth more than someone elses.
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because you and your wife decided that your kids were worth more than someone elses. Ah, so now you're a psychic. Whatever it takes, huh? Twist and distort reality until it "lines up" with your preconceived notions. Actually, my kids are alive because we didn't choose to abort them, even though we support the right of others to make a different choice. You're not dumb. You are only being obstinate.
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Funny...I've never heard a single fetus speak out against abortion. Giving a fetus a say in the matter isn't going to help your cause. Did you ask your dog if it wanted to be fixed, too? What utter nonsense! But when you compare a baby to a dog what else can one expect. I wonder, when your children were fetuses, did you love them? Did you rub your wifes belly. Did you both talk to them? Or did you show zero emotion until the 'fetus' was viable?
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One is either for or against; pro or anti, you can't weasel out of that. The more interesting question (to me) is do you respect the rule of law while opposing Roe?
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Therefore, we are pro-choice and NOT pro-abortion. Duh. weasel word semantics. puhleese :RollieEyes: Nope...not unless you're incapable of seeing the difference between the two terms. I thought I laid it out for MEDC so that a grade-schooler could understand it...maybe I can attach pictures to my next attempt. Nor are you "pro-choice". Duh, yes I am. I am for the right of the mother to choose to have an abortion or not. Can you wrap your brain around that simple concept, or do you always try to gaslight anyone who has an opinion that offends you? Yes, I am pro-choice whether you like it or not. It is a fact, not an opinion. Not unless you advocate that "CHOICE" be extended to the one whose life is up for grabs. If not, then it is disingenuous doublespeak to say you are "pro-choice." It is bullcrap. Funny...I've never heard a single fetus speak out against abortion. Giving a fetus a say in the matter isn't going to help your cause. Did you ask your dog if it wanted to be fixed, too? Disingenuous doublespeak? Laughable. If you can't understand the difference between supporting the right to choose, and going to the clinic and having an abortion yourself, you shouldn't be debating the topic because you are too myopic (at best) too even begin to have a sane discussion. It's either your way, or no way. :RollieEyes: Yeah, I'm pro-choice. If that makes me pro-abortion, why do I have two children? Shouldn't I have aborted them? In other words ya ain't pro-choice. You're pro WEASEL WORDS. 
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One is either for or against; pro or anti, you can't weasel out of that. The more interesting question (to me) is do you respect the rule of law while opposing Roe? Of course I respect the rule of law, in principle. I do not respect BAD LAW, such as Roe versus Wade.
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Funny...I've never heard a single fetus speak out against abortion. Giving a fetus a say in the matter isn't going to help your cause. Did you ask your dog if it wanted to be fixed, too? What utter nonsense! But when you compare a baby to a dog what else can one expect. I wonder, when your children were fetuses, did you love them? Did you rub your wifes belly. Did you both talk to them? Or did you show zero emotion until the 'fetus' was viable? I love my kids at least as much as you do, and as an added bonus I won't support an idiotic point of view that dictates my daughter would be forced to carry a baby to term, even if it's the product of a rape. I would question the love of any parent who believes their daughter should endure such a thing, if she is ever unfortunate enough to be impregnated by a rapist.
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Therefore, we are pro-choice and NOT pro-abortion. Duh. weasel word semantics. puhleese :RollieEyes: Nope...not unless you're incapable of seeing the difference between the two terms. I thought I laid it out for MEDC so that a grade-schooler could understand it...maybe I can attach pictures to my next attempt. Nor are you "pro-choice". Duh, yes I am. I am for the right of the mother to choose to have an abortion or not. Can you wrap your brain around that simple concept, or do you always try to gaslight anyone who has an opinion that offends you? Yes, I am pro-choice whether you like it or not. It is a fact, not an opinion. Not unless you advocate that "CHOICE" be extended to the one whose life is up for grabs. If not, then it is disingenuous doublespeak to say you are "pro-choice." It is bullcrap. Funny...I've never heard a single fetus speak out against abortion. Giving a fetus a say in the matter isn't going to help your cause. Did you ask your dog if it wanted to be fixed, too? Disingenuous doublespeak? Laughable. If you can't understand the difference between supporting the right to choose, and going to the clinic and having an abortion yourself, you shouldn't be debating the topic because you are too myopic (at best) too even begin to have a sane discussion. It's either your way, or no way. :RollieEyes: Yeah, I'm pro-choice. If that makes me pro-abortion, why do I have two children? Shouldn't I have aborted them? In other words ya ain't pro-choice. You're pro WEASEL WORDS. What are you, five? No, I'm pro-choice. Was today's episode of Sesame Street sponsored by "weasel words" or something?
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