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#2160324 11/18/08 11:19 AM
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8 weeks ago I found out my husband had a brief affair. Thankfully (i think) the OW's Husband found out and told me. We have openly discussed the affair and the cause and the effects etc.

This affair happened during work hours and right now I cant seem to trust him while he is at work. He is on the road alot and I feel that if i dont know exactly where he is or who he is with, I will go crazy. He tries to call me often to reassure me that nothing is going on. He has been open and honest and thankfully there has been no contact between him and the OW. OW and her husband are trying to work things out last I heard.

This affair has turned our marriage around for the GOOD! We are acually IN LOVE again, but my trust issues are killing me inside. I just dont know how to change? What can I do?

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This affair happened during work hours and right now I cant seem to trust him while he is at work.

First, sorry that you're here, but this is the BEST place you can come for recovery of your marriage.

There's a reason you can't trust him while he's at work.

Does he work with OW?

Did you guys send a "no contact" letter to OW?

Have you read the articles on this site? Have you read Surviving an Affair?


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I'm in the same boat and feel so powerless right now. Its been 6 weeks since I found emails of my S and OW’s A. We started using Marriage Builders and it was going great until I found a phone number in his phone and it turned out to be a misdial to the OW cell number, which he forgot to delete. Since than I can’t get back to where we were which was falling in love again. A big problem is it is a family business and its will be hard for him to leave and the OW is still there and her husband doesn’t know. He has been working from another office location, but it is killing me that she is still around. He is really trying, but it’s been really hard to regain any kind of trust.

Would love to hear if you have any good suggestions for getting over those big obstacles.



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OW does not work with him, but does work in the same building. OW has been advised not to contact H or myself. Same with her Husband.

I have been reading How to survive an affair. I guess I am emotionally still shocked that this even happened. I feel like such a fool.

My husband has been wonderful as far as understanding my feelings of being untrusting. He doesnt get angry or peturbed with me at all. My fear I guess is just that I will be made a fool of again. I dont know that i can handle this happening again.

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I dont have any suggestions at all to help you, I feel for you. I think I would be in worse shape if they actually worked together. I think i would have to tell my H that she needs to go, but I know then the worry would be a sexual harrassment suit or something.

I often think about listening devices or hidden GPS systems. I really think I am going crazy sometimes.

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Crazy, crazy, crazy. I feel the same. Shock that it ever happened. Not that our marriage was great. But I never thought it he would take it this far. When I found the misdialed number and it was her, my defenses when up and I haven't been able to let them down because... I don't want to be hurt again and made a fool of.

So surreal at times....

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I completely lost it this weekend. Hit the wall and hurt my wrist. It was so dumb... hurt myself because of what he did. But I get these manic periods of time and not being able to vent makes me feel like I'm going to explode. We are keeping it a secret from everyone for fear of him loosing his job and my family... I have no clue what my family would do to him. But that is where I feel so lonely and this is at least a way I can get somethings off my chest. Thank you for reading.


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2ashamed and whythis way,

Please realize that you both are still reeling from what you've only recently learned about your husbands and your marriages. Your world has been ripped apart! You cannot expect to "get over it" just like that.

It takes many, many months, sometimes years, to heal the wound you've suffered. The ONLY cure is remorse from your WHs, their total commitment to absolute no contact with the OW, and following the basic principles of a specific program such as you will find on this Marriage Builders web site. Even when you have those things, you must see new behavior and a new attitude from your husbands, repeated over and over and over again before you will trust them again.

And you shouldn't trust them until they've done that! They have to EARN your trust back, no free passes, and that won't be easy. Are they man enough to do it? Over time, you will see whether or not they are.

Read everything on this site, particularly the sections on Emotional Needs and Love Busters. Fill out the Emotional Needs Questionaire (also on this site via the home page) and have your husbands do it too. Share your answers, then TALK about what you really crave from each other, whether it's affection, conversation, admiration, or any other need. Do your best to give these acts of love to one another.

Read the section on Love Busters too. These are the things you do that causes your love to drain away over the years. Things you are probably still doing now, without even realizing it. Stop all those harmful behaviors and watch what happens.

Best to get a copy of two books that explain it all thoroughly: His Needs, Her Needs and Love Busters. Both are available at the bookstore on the home page, or you might be able to find them at your local bookstore.

We study and work hard at our careers, read books on child rearing and anything else that's important to us. Isn't our marriage something we should devote at least that much effort to?

There is a lot you can do during this painful period that will empower you to improve yourself and your marriage. Don't just sit on the sidelines, waiting to feel better. Read, study and implement the PLAN to create the marriage you want. Enroll your husbands too, but you can start the work without them...they will often join you later when they see the changes you're making in yourself, and the way you approach them and the marriage.

What have you got to lose?

Blessings on you.

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2ashamed and whythis way, please understand that you will continue to feel this way as long as your husbands continue to work at the same place as the OW's. As long as they have a chance of running into together every day at work, there is a STRONG chance the affair will resume because they will be perpetually triggered.

You are sending the alcoholic into the bar every day and every chance contact is the equivalent of the alcoholic having a DRINK. It will trigger him. Your marriage will not recover like this. Your WH will be perpetually triggered and you will live in a state of great anxiety.

And whythisway, as long as you continue to keep this affair secret from the OWH and the family, you are ENABLING the affair. Affairs thrive on secrecy, so be assured you are not helping your marriage by keeping this secret, you are helping the affair.

So ladies, the way you are doing this pretty much ensures that recovery will be impossible.

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Dr. Harley: The plan I recommend for recovery after an affair is very specific. That's because I've found that even small deviations from that plan are usually disastrous. But when it's followed, it always works. The plan has two parts that must be implemented sequentially. The first part of the plan is for the unfaithful spouse to completely separate from the lover and eliminate the conditions that made the affair possible. The second part is for the couple to create a romantic relationship, using my Basic Concepts as a guide.

I'll describe these two parts to you in a little more detail.

The first step, complete separation from the lover and eliminating the conditions that made the affair possible, requires a complete understanding of the affair. All information regarding the affair must be revealed to the betrayed spouse, including the name of the lover, the conditions that made the affair possible (travel, internet, etc.), the details of what took place during the affair, all correspondence, and anything else that would shed light on the tragedy.

This information is important for two reasons: (1) it creates accountability and transparency, making it essentially impossible for the unfaithful spouse to continue the affair or begin a new one unnoticed, and (2) it creates trust for the betrayed spouse, providing evidence that the affair is over and a new one is unlikely to take its place. The nightmares you experience are likely to continue until you have the facts that
will lead to your assurance that your husband can be trusted.
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Dr. Harley in Coping with Infidelity: Part 2
How Should Affairs End?


Never see or communicate with a former lover

Once an affair is first revealed, whether it's discovered or admitted, the victimized spouse is usually in a state of shock. The first reaction is usually panic, but it's quickly followed by anger. Divorce and sometimes even murder are contemplated. But after some time passes (usually about three weeks), most couples decide that they will try to pull together and save their marriage.

The one having an affair is in no position to bargain, but he or she usually tries anyway. The bargaining effort usually boils down to somehow keeping the lover in the loop. You'd think that the unfaithful spouse would be so aware of his or her weaknesses, and so aware of the pain inflicted, that every effort would be made to avoid further contact with the lover as an act of thoughtfulness to the stunned spouse. But instead, the unfaithful spouse argues that the relationship was "only sexual" or was "emotional but not sexual" or some other peculiar description to prove that continued contact with the lover would be okay.

Most victimized spouses intuitively understand that all contact with a lover must end for life. Permanent separation not only helps prevent a renewal of the affair, but it is also a crucial gesture of consideration to someone who has been through he11. What victimized spouse would ever want to know that his or her spouse is seeing or communicating with a former lover at work or in some other activity?

In spite of career sacrifices, friendships, and issues relating to children's schooling, I am adamant in recommending that there be no contact with a former lover for life. For many, that means a move to another state. But to do otherwise fails to recognize the nature of addiction and its cure.

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We don't know if R.J. still sees his lover, but he says he has broken off all contact. In many cases where a person is still in town, that's hard to prove. But one thing's for sure, if he ever does see his lover, it will put him in a state of perpetual withdrawal from his addiction, and make the resolution of his marriage essentially impossible. In fact, one of the reasons he is not recovering after three months of separation may be that he is not being truthful about the separation.

Entire article at: http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi5060_qa.html

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...I have seen husbands build new and wonderful relationships with their wives but then go back to their lovers after five or six years of what appeared to be marital bliss. When I ask them why, they inevitably tell me they miss the woman terribly and still love her. At the same time they stoutly affirm they love their wives dearly and would not think of leaving them.

I believe a man like this has told the truth. He is hopelessly entangled and needs all the help possible to be kept away from his lover and stay faithful to his wife. I often recommend that a man once involved in an affair come in to see me every three to six months on an indefinite basis, just to talk about how things are going and to let me know how successfully he has stayed away from his lover. He must resign himself to a lifetime without her. HE MUST CERTAINLY NOT WORK WITH HIS FORMER LOVER AND SHOULD PROBABLY LIVE IN SOME OTHER CITY OR STATE. Even with those restrictions the desire for her company persists...



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Originally Posted by whythisway
A big problem is it is a family business and its will be hard for him to leave and the OW is still there and her husband doesn’t know.

whythisway, this is a huge part of your problem right here. The family needs to know and most especially, the OW's H has a right to know. It endangers your marriage and makes it easier for the affair to resume by keeping their secret for them. The OWH needs to know so he can protect himself from your H and his W. Either your H or the OW will have to leave the company.

Here is a post from a former wayward wife and what she had to say about occasional sightings of her OM at work:


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No contact, lifechoice http://www.marriagebuilders.com/ubbt/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1659249&fpart=3

Every time I read where a WS is still working with the AP I cringe because I know exactly where things are headed. I know I said this before, but I only worked 6 days a month and after I ended the A, of the 6, we maybe worked together 1 or 2. When I ended the A it brought relief and neither FOM nor I wanted the A any longer, but regardless I was hooked. Just seeing his car in the parking lot, his name on an work email, or anything related to him kept me hooked.

I never knew ahead of time if I was going to be working with him. If I pulled into the parking lot and saw his car I would feel happy and sad at the same time and if his car was not there I would feel relief and sad at the same time.

My therapist told me to journal and after I confessed the stuff in there just makes me shake my head. Now when I read the stuff I did, said, etc it makes me sick to my stomach. I honestly believed I was on my best behavior because we were not crossing any inappropriate lines or so we thought. Now I can "see" exactly what happened and how it fed my addiction to the A. All those "professional" conversations that had bits and pieces of non-professional idle chit chat, facial expressions, body language, the unnecessary walk-by's, the acknowleging everyone but him days, etc where so harmful. And then my poor H would get to hear all about it because I was being open and honest. I have no idea why he didn't leave me because of what I put him through.

In a sec I will add a snippet from my journal and a prime example of why FAP's cannot stay working together. I hadn't seen my FOM in who knows how long. Docp had recently asked for all the details of the A and I was a complete nervous wreck. When I got to work, FOM was there, I was having a really bad day and to top it off was exposed to TB by a patient. The TB deal was the straw that broke the camels back. I had a meltdown in my FOM's office and almost passed out. I asked him if I could sit for a second and that second of sitting lead to a conversation we never should have had.

We talked about Docp's and his W's reaction, how we all were coping, how stupid and weak we were etc, etc. Even sitting here now I remember the feeling I had and KNEW we should not have been having that conversation, but it was making me feel better when I felt like crap. What I didn't realize was I had just had a big dose fed to my addiction and the whole cycle started again.

Here is the snippet from my journal: (I changed names of course)

"It felt good to talk to him and clear a lot of this up. He even mentioned it was nice that we were able to talk and I feel like he meant it, not in an appropriate way, just a friendly way. (Ah, this from the person who has been avoiding talking to me forever) I felt like I was talking to my 'old friend" the way it was for years before we messed everything up. I told Docp about the whole conversation. He was ok with this conversation, but said he wouldn't be really happy if we started talking all the time. duh!!!!!! I just said I understand and didn't plan on talking to him about anything that wasn't work related."

OK, in all reality Docp was NOT OK with the conversation and told me he didn't care if I was going to faint or not I needed to crawl out of his office, not sit and chat with him. But in my happy place I honestly believed because I told Docp about the conversation it really was OK. I was completely delusional and thought because it made me feel so good, it HAD to be OK.

I had all this going on and I rarely saw my FOM, can you just imagine what is going on when people are seeing each other every day?

Anyway back to NC, I'm not sure if I simply missed it before, but it seems lately we have more who are willing to allow the WS to continue working with the AP and have a zillion and one excuses on why it's OK. I'm never surprised when they find out the A is still ongoing though because I could tell them the details of what is going on during the work day when the WS honestly feels they are on their best behavior.


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Originally Posted by 2ashamed
OW does not work with him, but does work in the same building. OW has been advised not to contact H or myself. Same with her Husband.

2ashamed, it might be very helpful to touch base with the OWH to compare notes and make sure that contact does not resume. You are both victims of the affair and can be very helpful to one another in this fight.


"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

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Originally Posted by MelodyLane
Originally Posted by 2ashamed
OW does not work with him, but does work in the same building. OW has been advised not to contact H or myself. Same with her Husband.

2ashamed, it might be very helpful to touch base with the OWH to compare notes and make sure that contact does not resume. You are both victims of the affair and can be very helpful to one another in this fight.

I was in contact with OWH, but I cut all ties to him because he was turning to me for advice and I was already trying to work out my own marriage. I didnt want any part of giving him advice. In the beginning we both were speaking of Divorcing our Spouses, but then after hearing of her history with A, I felt he had more of a reason for a D than me. I felt my marriage could be salvagable. But she had a history of A in her 4 year marriage and her previous marriages! This chick was a real winner!

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2ashamed,

You are under no obligation to offer OWH any advice. You can suggest MC if you feel you must say something. Sounds like their marriage is doomed anyway.

The reason to continue to talk with OWH is that you can compare notes as long until you are sure NC has been firmly established. If OWH is trying (even at this point, poor man) to salvage his M, he will still be keeping tabs on her comings and goings, email, cell phone, etc.

If you have gathered sufficient evidence to believe your H is no longer in touch with OW, you have no further need to communicate with her BS.

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And take to heart everything Melody Lane has posted to you, especially about exposure.

It ain't over yet. Marshall your forces!


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