You can copy and paste the text.

There's an analogy of Plan A that I was looking for on the threads but I can't find. so I'll just paraphrase it.

Plan A is like throwing rocks into a stream in order to make a bridge to the other side. Each rock you throw in sinks to the bottom and you are unable to see any progress. Eventually after hundreds of rocks, you throw one in and it's just viible under the surface. You throw another one in and it's just peaking out of the water.

Plan A is simular. You may not see any progress or affects of what you're doing in plan A but they're still there.

Maybe someone else can explain this better... or find the original post of this analogy...

Amazin

I can not copy and paste them. The PI took pitures of them so they are in picture format.

medc - No sex. It has been about a month. When she tries to initiate I tell her I am tired. I use the same words that she told me while I was working on our realtionship and she was messing with OM1. all I do is give her a small kiss before I go to be or go to work. She will give me a small kiss someties when she gets in from work. Other than that there is not much contact between us. after I confronted her with OM1 is was sex 4 times a week, showers every morning, lots of hugs/kisses, lots of holding touching. After OM2 there is nothing. My WW and I have always been very physical and loving towards each other. At night when we would sleep we would either hold one another, hold hands, or touch in some form. Now after OM2 if I say anything about the lack of attention, or touching, she just replies with people do not do that, and we never did that and she knows that is not true.

What do they say, hogfan? Can you just give us the high points so we get the gist?

That would be one of Steve's, posted often by me...



Mark

I suggest instead of telling her you are tired, that you should be honest with her.

Now there's an idea...

Mark

Thanks Mark,

That's the one I was talking about.

OK here are the texts between the PI and my WW. The PI that I hired used to be a police officre and he is well known for busting pedaphyles.

PI - sent a text that was a blank saying it was a picture
PI - hey u watch think...not bad followin a long day...lol..j/k
PI - or not...lol
W - who is this
PI - its chuck silly (fake name)
PI - omg...wait...i think i snet those to the wrong number...i am so sorry...hope this isnt like sum big burly guy...lol...would have totally given the wrong impression
PI - well nice to have met u whoever u are...since you now have my name and pic...lol
PI - not really the sociable type i take it...lol...ok..really sorry bout the mishap
W - no biggie and not a big burly guy
PI - oh good i got worried for a min...lol...if not a big burly guy then we can be friends
PI - i guess this as good a place to meet new people as any. shod have thunk it 10 yrs ago
PI - i am jsut a little embarrased bout the pic...am really sorry bout that
PI - just thought of somethin else...plz tell me u r at least 25. better yet over 30...i dont sanna end up on dateline...i've aressted 36 of those freaks in teh last 3 yrs...dont wanna end up like one...lol

Next day
PI - how are we today
W - fine. u? what about the pic
PI - hey u..my favorite perfect stranger...i'm pretty good...bored at the moment...oh...I sent one of me yesterday and obviously it was wrong number. thoguth u got it...lol...who knows...maybe someone else did
W - no i didnt get it try again
PI - maybe it never went out originally...maybe I was paranoid for no reason...101... u r over 18 right?
W - yeah over 18 dont worry bout that. plz send pic again
PI - lol...k
PI - did you get it
PI - cant tell if it is sending
W - havnt gotten it yet
PI - ill try again
Pi - it keeps saying that its sent. do u have email
W - sorry no i dont
PI its cool maybe u cant get pic texts or my phone is jacked up
PI - so anyway mrs. perfect stranger whats ur story married, kids, employed, what?

At this point my WW and her toxic friend called the PI and they spoke for 22min. PI told me that they both were drunk

PI - i think i lost you or you hung up on me
W - did not hang up
PI - ok that makes me feel better
W - wouldnt do that to ya

Then my wife and her toxic friend called the PI again and talked for 34 minutes. The is when the PI told me that my WW gave him her work email address and there would have been a meeting between he and my WW toxic friend but he was posing as a police officer in a town an hour away. The PI told me that the toxic girlfriend was pushing a lot of this, and she would have been all over it to. What do ya'll think about this. This is someone that my WW has no clue who she was talking to. So I can only imagine what is going on between her and her friend as she calls it. In my opinion this was very stupid of my WW because it is very dangerous.

huh?? Why is the PI texting her??

He calls it pre-texting. The purpose is to see how available someone is, and according to him she is very available. By the way there was no further communication after that even up until now, and a picture was never sent to her email at work. Just a hour after they spoke on the phone is when she was pulled over for drinking and driving with the kids in the car after she had called me and told me she was on the way home to eat supper. That night she went over to her toxic friends house and according to her it was to let our kids play with hers, but there ended up being some partying and drinking going on. I stayed at home and cooked supper that I never got to eat because I had to go get my kids and then later get her out of the tank.

hogfan, that is nice, but what is the point? How will that help you get the evidence of her affair? Is this the current PI that is following her? I am COMPLETELY CONFUSED. If entrapment was the goal, then why pay a PI to do that? A monkey could do that!

I think that the others are right, you should just assume it is an affair and act accordingly. Expose to the OMW, have a VISIT with the OM and start planning on separation.

That was done back in september before I knew of OM2. The purpose like I said was for the PI to get information. Yes, I am using the same PI, but the difference now is we know that it is a different OM. In september we still thought it may be OM1. Could be both who knows, but the evidence that we are gathering with survelliance and voice recording will give me the truth, and the ammunition to expose to OMW, employer, and anyone else I can think of. I talked to OMW once and she asked me how did I know it was not innocent, and she believed her husband. I talked with OM2 on the phone the same night and that is when he told me I am not having an affair with your wife. You need to talk to your wife. I told him that at the moment I am talking to your wife and he hung up the phone. OMW does not know that her H was in the vehicle with my W for 25 minutes on Friday yet. I want some more of that video for a nuclear exposure and then tell OMW "NOW DO YOU CAN BELIEVE YOUR H)

ahhh, ok, hogfan. I thought that this text was from his current investigation. Thanks for clarifying. Does he have the info yet about what she was doing in the car for 25 minutes? I have a bad feeling about this PI.

That's Conflict Avoidance.

And it's also lying.

Tell her the truth.

Just spoke with the PI and he is evaluating the video. Why the bad feeling about the PI. He is very professional as even to signing a contract with him and him showing me his liscense. This PI does a lot of insurance fraud work and infedility work. He sends me a report after every survellance. I have the report already. The first PI I had could not even keep up with my W while doing survellance. I did a lot of work into finding this person. The first one was recommended by an attorney and she lost my W several times while trying to follow. This one has not lost her yet. As soon as the video gets to me or as soon as the PI calls me back with his viewing I will let you know. I do know by the report that my W and OM had parked right beside each other that day and as soon as work was over he was in her vehicle. She came walking out and got in the car first and he followed a minute later.

That is not conflict avoidance. That to me is STD avoidance. Until I know for sure that she is not been physical with OM then I will not be with her. I am not going to be seconds in my own marriage.

Someone posted yesterday that on Saturday I should have went shopping with my wife instead of going hunting, or I shold have asked my wife to go hunting with me. I have gone shopping with her and asked her to go hunting with me. She will not go hunting with me. When I mention spending time with her she will tell me that we do not have to spend all of our time together, and that she has her interest and I have mine and there is nothing wrong with that. One of my EN is spending time with my wife and when I mention it to her that is the response I get "we do not have to spend all of our time together". I have told her that I never said all of our time jsut time. We spend none together and she is not even willing to do that.

So, you want a divorce then but you're open to renconciliation?

Which is it hogfan?

Are you waiting around for your wife to 'do the deed' in front of the PI's camera or are you really interested in staying married?

It seems that you have already tried to entrap your wife with the first PI and now are just waiting for the second one to catch her.

Ask any BH here if he would give his right arm to prevent an EA going physical and you will get only one answer.

You know your wife is in an affair. Expose it today. You'll be real glad you kept your wife from effing the OM even if you do end up divorced.