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I hope some of you can give me some advice. I have been dealing with depression through this whole thing but it is getting worse. Yes I am on antidepressants, I would hate to think of what I would be like without them. I anilyze everything my WH does and I ask questions, which he hates. I asked the other night if we were going to stay married, he said "thats the plan". He says I am driving him crazy with the questions because I don't just ask once, I will ask the same thing a week or so later. Well how do I know anything if I don't ask??? I keep having dreams that he is only staying through the holidays and then leaves. I know it is my fear creaping in but when I have those dreams it makes the day much worse. I'm not even looking forward to Christmas. The past week and a half I have felt he has been more distant and not as affectionate. My grandmother says that I am trying to hold him close but pushing him away at the same time. (yes I talk to my grandma about this) She says I need to try to act happy even if I'm not, to be the kind of person he will want to come home to every day. I see that she has a good point but d*nm its hard to keep my mouth shut. He said a couple days ago that I am moping around. Well how am I suposed to act like everything is great when I feel like my whole world has been torn apart? The person I love the most that is suposed to love me and protect me has done this to me. I had always trusted him, big mistake I see now. I can't trust him, I want to but I can't. He wants it to all be forgotten, much easier for him than me. I watch everything he does and pick it apart, I don't want to be blindsided again.
This all has had a big impact on my health as well, I have MS which stress makes worse. I have lost a lot of weight (20 lbs) which I didn't need to lose. There are days that I don't want to do anything but sleep. I feel like everything has fallen apart and I just want it all to disapear, and he is still here! I should be happy that he is here but its like I expect something bad to happen at any time. He says he isn't going anywhere, why can't I beleive him? Little things trigger my moods. I almost feel like I am being too hard on him, that this is more my mental state than anything. I have worked so hard to hold this M together but I wonder if this intense pain will ever go away. I should be feeling better but I'm not. How do you get past the pain and distrust?


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farmwife, I am so sorry you are in this terrible place. You are the reason that Dr Harley recommends that women go into Plan B after 3-4 weeks of plan A. As you can see, the long months of being abused has taken a horrendous toll on your mental and physical health. It has changed your feelings for him.

Are you and your H actively working on a program of recovery? Has he opened up his life to you so he has complete transparency? Has all contact ended?


"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

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I believe all contact has ended, he says it has and there has been no proof otherwise. He thinks things are fine between us, I want things better. He wants to forget it and move on with our life, I wish I could. As far as transparency, he says he is being honest with me but I have trouble believing anything that comes out of his mouth. Even when its what I want to hear. I still love him and I want our M to work, I just need to get past the pain.
Plan B would be very hard on me, with the farm and taking care of the cows in the winter. I don't know if I could do it all. I used to do most of it, years ago when I was stronger and younger. I just don't have the energy I used to.

As far as a program of recovery, I have read many of Dr. Harley's books and am reading them again. I do find them helpful. He will not read them, and yes that bothers me. In his mind it is over, he was wrong and wants to forget it. If only it were that easy for me. I am currently reading LB, I haven't read it before. I know I need to work on that. Its so hard to keep my temper under control sometimes. It just seems so much more stressful because of the holidays coming up.

Thank you for responding.


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farmwife, has there just been one affair?

here is what Dr Harley says about recovery:

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The plan I recommend for recovery after an affair is very specific. That's because I've found that even small deviations from that plan are usually disastrous. But when it's followed, it always works. The plan has two parts that must be implemented sequentially. The first part of the plan is for the unfaithful spouse to completely separate from the lover and eliminate the conditions that made the affair possible. The second part is for the couple to create a romantic relationship, using my Basic Concepts as a guide.

I'll describe these two parts to you in a little more detail.

The first step, complete separation from the lover and eliminating the conditions that made the affair possible, requires a complete understanding of the affair. All information regarding the affair must be revealed to the betrayed spouse, including the name of the lover, the conditions that made the affair possible (travel, internet, etc.), the details of what took place during the affair, all correspondence, and anything else that would shed light on the tragedy.

This information is important for two reasons: (1) it creates accountability and transparency, making it essentially impossible for the unfaithful spouse to continue the affair or begin a new one unnoticed, and (2) it creates trust for the betrayed spouse, providing evidence that the affair is over and a new one is unlikely to take its place. The nightmares you experience are likely to continue until you have the facts that
will lead to your assurance that your husband can be trusted.

An analysis of the betrayed spouse's childhood or emotional state of mind in an effort to discover why he or she would have an affair is distracting and unnecessary. It takes precious time away from finding the real solutions. I know why people have affairs: We are all wired for it. Given certain conditions, we would all do it. Given other conditions, however, none of us would do it. So the goal of the first step is to discover the conditions that made the affair possible and eliminate them.

After the first step is completed, the second step is to create a romantic relationship between you and your husband using my 10 Basic Concepts http://marriagebuilders.com/ca/to.cgi?l=qa080103bc
as your guide. While your relationship may be improving, it won't lead to a romantic relationship because you are not being transparent toward each other. Unspoken issues in a marital relationship lead to a superficiality that ruins romance.

Your nightmares are only the tip of the iceberg. They are but a small reflection of the suffering you experienced when you discovered your husband's affair, and the fear you have that the suffering will be repeated. You have no assurance that the affair is over because you don't even know who the other woman is. You are being asked to trust your husband, who has already proven to be untrustworthy. For all you know, he could be working with her, or you could be going to the same church, or she could be
your neighbor. And since he won't discuss the details of how the affair took place, you have no assurance that another affair will not take its place.

Infidelity is not something that can be swept under the rug. While those who have affairs want to forget about it and move on, those who are betrayed must take very specific steps before they can fully recover. In your case, those steps have not been taken, and as a result, your fear persists. I will send you a complimentary copy of my book, "Surviving an Affair," if you send me your address. It will describe these two steps to you and provide you with a roadmap toward full recovery. But the path will require full disclosure of all details.

Best wishes,

Willard F. Harley, Jr.
Requirements for Recovery from an Affair


"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

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MelodyLane,

There was an EA 7 yrs ago, a woman he worked with was chasing him. He was talking to her for a couple weeks. The bosses at that terminal wouldn't do anything about it so I called the corporate office and talked to the district manager. My H wasn't the only one she was coming on to, I mentioned sexual harassment and the fact that if it wasn't taken care of some of us wives would take care of it. She was fired the next day! That was after I went into the office and confronted her myself, and he was standing right there beside me.

I have seen mentioned "Joseph's Letter" but the link I saw didn't work. Do you know where I can find it?

Thank you for the link to requirements to recovery. I read a lot of that yesterday.

Last night was better, we put up the Christmas tree and wrapped a few presents. He was in a good mood and I acted happy. After work he went to help a friend work on a tractor, he let me know beforehand what he was doing. He came home smelling of diesel fuel and grease not perfume so I assume it was true.

I was actually handling this better a few months ago. I don't understand why I feel worse now. He seems to be doing what he is suposed to yet I don't trust anything. I get so down all I want to do is sleep so I don't have to think. Some days I don't feel like doing anything, the dishes are piling up and I don't care. I should be happy that he is here and says he isn't going anywhere but I keep thinking he is going to change his mind. How do you get past these feelings?

I think I will go to the library and check out Surviving An Affair for the third time and read it again. It seemed to help me put my mind in place a few months ago.

There is a part of me that is angry that he has done this and just wants to forget it and go on. I think he should be kissing my butt and be thankful to still be here. I'm sure he is but he's not going to show it. Its bad that the BS has to do so much more of the work to save the M.


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WH- 38
Married in 1994
2 Sons ages 12 & 14
Numerous D-Days
In Recovery again....and again.....


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