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Hi,
I have been trying to plan A long distance but unfortunately feel I may be out of love for WH.
He is in Europe and I am in the Caribbean. He left me here with our 3 kids ages 2, 5 and 7. He left at the beginning of November after spending a month with us and the prior month apart from us.
I am going through a LOT of anger right now. This began about 4 days ago and I cannot bear to contact him because I do not want to act angry as I know that will not help in any way. I have had the flu for a week - so my poor kids spent Christmas at home with no real special celebration other than gifts I had already purchased. I was so mad at WH for not being here I cannot begin to describe it.
I sent him an e-mail about a week ago stating that he can call the kids on Skype whenever he wants but that I do not want to speak to him. But after that letter, I did speak to him when he called on skype. I was very pleasant. After that I began to get mad. I am preparing a plan B letter but I need some samples and do not know where to look. I have also asked a friend to be my mediator but she has not responded and is on vacation for the next few days so I feel funny sending the letter without knowing the name of the mediator. I was thinking I can send it and then just send one last e-mail with the name and contact info for the mediator when I have one?

Can someone point me to some plan B sample letters?

Thank you!



Me BW 37 American
Him WH – 43 European
Married 7 years.
3 kids ages 2, 4, 7
Dday affair 1 Sept 20, 08
Dday affair 2 Oct 9, 08
Affair 1 PA Apr 08 – Jul 08 with our housekeeper, 27 overlapping with...
Affair 2 – EA/PA? May 08 to present – mostly chats and e-mails with a 30 y/o co-worker. They believe they are soulmates… She has left her boyfriend of 6 yrs and father of her 3 y/o for WH.
Me - currently working on Plan A

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I’m sorry that you are hurting today and feeling frustrated or lost as to what to do. Plan A is hard to begin with, let alone adding the additional stress of it being long distance. I haven’t read much of your sitch to be honest so I don’t know what you have done or not done.

One thing that caught my eye though was the statement,
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I have been trying to plan A long distance but unfortunately feel I may be out of love for WH.
When I first got serious about my Plan A and Mimi took me under her wings and guided my EVERY step, ATTITUDE and THOUGHT, she caught me on things and helped me to change my thinking.

OF COURSE you are out of love for WH. He is SICK, DANGEROUS, and NOT your H. You LOVE your H. So don’t beat yourself up for this. It is commonly said on here to Plan A the H and Plan B WH. Fortunately for me, WH/H was very obvious when I was dealing with which one. See if you can get a good sense of who you are talking to so it doesn’t drain your love faster than it should. Just a thought.

I also went to Plan B first without really setting up MY PLAN beforehand. I was out there not really being effective and lost valuable time I believe. Mimi drowned in to me over and over again, the changes in Plan A that I were making were about ME. What I WANTED to change in me. So that when I came to the end of Plan A, I KNEW that I had given it my best, and fought the most amazing fight to save my M.

I hope I get this right, so please know that someone might correct me. The idea of Plan A is to give your H the lasting impression on what your M could be like if he were to return home. Plan B is to take away ANY EN’S that you are fulfilling and leave all of life up to OW. It’s to be sudden, quick and not done in stages.

For me, I would ask if you have alittle more left inside of you to really set up your Plan A and then nail him with Plan B and have you be completely ready to stay dark no matter what.


BS 52, FWH 53, Married 1-1-84
D-day 5-14-07, WH moved in with OW
Plan A 9 months, DARK Plan B 3-17-08 until 3-2-09
WH and OW broke up 1-09
Started over 7-09
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Thanks Queenie,
I just don't think I have anything left. I cannot bear to speak to him and when I do not speak to him I feel soooooo much better.
The other day he sent an e-mail asking how I am because the kids told him I was sick on Christmas day. I responded 'i have the flu'. That was my whole e-mail. When I pressed send I was already sickened that I sent it. I felt like then I have to wait for another response and what if he's at ow's house right now and doesn't see the message?
You are totally right Queenie, just that I am ready for plan B now. Plan A had it's ups and downs. I see that life is pretty great without him actually. My biggest and very important concern is that I have been a stay-at-home mom/wife since before my kids were born and have no real career to speak of or means of income if he bails out.
I think I will write my PBL without the name of the mediator and just send the name of the mediator when it is official. Or simply have the mediator contact him to tell him who she is.
In the last few days he has sent a lot of e-mails and messages asking to be contacted. I need to get this written.
I still need sample plan b letters!!
thanks
Q



Me BW 37 American
Him WH – 43 European
Married 7 years.
3 kids ages 2, 4, 7
Dday affair 1 Sept 20, 08
Dday affair 2 Oct 9, 08
Affair 1 PA Apr 08 – Jul 08 with our housekeeper, 27 overlapping with...
Affair 2 – EA/PA? May 08 to present – mostly chats and e-mails with a 30 y/o co-worker. They believe they are soulmates… She has left her boyfriend of 6 yrs and father of her 3 y/o for WH.
Me - currently working on Plan A

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Here's a copy of the one that I gave my WW.

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My Dearest Mrs. Amazin,


I remember our courtship and how we met. I remember talking on the phone for hours until you fell asleep. I remember our first date at the square in Ft. Worth and our first kiss. I remember Thanksgiving at your mother’s house. I remember all the paper hearts in our bedroom, in our house and on our cars. I remember how I proposed to you at the Italian Inn. I remember how I proposed to you again for the kids because they were chanting “Ask, Ask, Ask!” I remember our beautiful wedding and our honeymoon in Cancun. I remember a time when you were passionately in love with me and my heart longs for those days to come again.


On our wedding day I made a promise to you in front of God and our family to faithfully love and cherish you, for better or for worse, for richer or poorer, in sickness and in health, and in good times or bad. I have kept that promise in the past and I plan on keeping that promise in the future.


I am writing this letter because I want to protect the love that I have for you and keep it from turning into hate. Your extramarital affairs have hurt me deeply and I do not want to see you, talk to you, or have any contact with you from now on.


I have made plenty of mistakes in this marriage and I own every single one of them. I gambled away a lot of money. I was selfish. I made independent decisions about our finances, our family and our life without talking to you or taking you into consideration. I neglected to meet your emotional needs. For all of these and many other mistakes that I have made, I am truly sorry.


I will always regard Step Daughter and Stepson as family. If Step Daughter wants to come over and visit she can call me directly or ask one of my kids and they can ask me. There should be no reason for you to have any contact with me. If there is something that absolutely must be communicated to me, you can do that through my brother. His number is xxx-xxx-xxxx.


I still have hope for us, our marriage and our family. Forgiveness is possible. Regaining the passionate love we once had for each other is possible. Recovery is possible. The answer to all my prayers would be for us to have a happy loving marriage and a blessed family. I am willing to avoid the mistakes I’ve made in the past and create a new life for both of us that will meet your needs. But I can not do that until you end your extramarital affairs once and for all.


I want you to know that there is a way home. There is a pathway to a new marriage. This path would require changes in both of us. If we stray from the path in one direction or the other, our chances for a new marriage are minimal. Together we can create a marriage in which other people of the opposite sex will never ever be an issue. They would have no place in our marriage. We can create a marriage based on honesty on many levels; financial honesty, emotional honesty, honesty about where we are and who we are with. We can have a marriage in which we give each other our undivided attention and our emotional needs are met. We can have a great marriage if we avoid being the cause of each others unhappiness, by making a small lifestyle change and getting some marital guidance. I can only be married to someone who values these principles and who would eagerly embrace this lifestyle.


I hope that someday we may have a new marriage. I want us to be able to meet each other’s emotional needs and to avoid doing anything to hurt each other. We can build a new lifestyle in which everything we do makes us both happy. Then there will never again be a reason for us to separate. I want to be your best friend, someone who is always there for you when you need me. And I want you as my best friend. I loved you the day we were married and I continue to love you right up to this day. I just cannot see you, talk to you, or help you as long as you are seeing other men.



Love,


Amazin

It was one page... People suggested to me not have a Plan B letter any longer than one page.

Hope this is a help to you.


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Hello Q, So sorry that you are in this position. I recognise your feelings very well. I am in Plan B since 6th Nov. Here is my Plan B letter. I think you should keep your PB letter very short and precise. I think you have too many conditions for the moment. I'm not saying that you shouldn't insist on having them when the time comes but I know from my own letter below that my WH focused on the word 'passionate' (my IM communicated this to me a few times before I could convince her to cut out that kind of message) and felt that this was not possible. The key issue is NC with OW forever so I would focus on this. Your WH may start saying things like '10 hours is impossible, I can't do more than 9' when the real issue is NC. This kind of fudging was destroying my love completely.


I also know how you feel about life without him looking better without him than with him but try not to think about this. What you need more than anything now is peace and quiet and time to recover your own sense of self-worth and confidence.

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Lovey,

For the first 19 years of the 20 we have spent together you managed to create a reserve of love of Saudi Arabian proportions in me for you. However, for the past year and in particular in the past 2 months since I found out about you and OW, you have been drawing heavily on that reserve every day to the extent that I have now hit Peak Love.

I am now afraid if I continue this way for much longer that soon I will no longer love you nor want to share my life with you no matter what you do.

After our conversation on the plane last Thursday I have now realised that the marriage you are offering to me is not one I want to be a part of. As long as you are willing to be in contact with someone who has tried to destroy our marriage, and to be untruthful with me, I am not willing to be just another leg of the triangle.

When you decide you would like an honest, loving, kind, considerate, passionate marriage, of your own free will, then I would dearly love to have that with you. Until then I would rather have nothing at all. I am breaking all contact with you in order to preserve the love I have left for you.

Please believe me, lovey, I am not writing this in anger. On the contrary, I am writing this out of love for you and our family.

G.F. has agreed to be a mediator between us so that if we need to inform each other of important information regarding the children we can pass it on via her.

I look forward to the day when you make a firm choice for me and for our family, and end all contact with OW for the rest of our lives, so we can once again unite as husband and wife.

Love,

Tully


Courage is the most important of all the virtues, because without courage you can't practice any other virtue consistently. You can practice any virtue erratically, but nothing consistently without courage.
Maya Angelou

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