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I thought I made it pretty clear my feelings were based on the content of the movie. Was I in any way ambiguous about that?


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I thought I made it pretty clear my feelings were based on the content of the movie. Was I in any way ambiguous about that?

Yes, you were ambiguous. That is why I asked you. Even your answer above is ambiguous. The content of any movie contains direction, cinematography, screenplay, story line, sound, makeup, as well as the actor’s performances. Are those the things you thought were dog excrement? Or is it just the infidelity parts that have caused you to form your position. Or was it the actor, Pitt? Or some combination?

Perhaps you were trying to send a “message” regarding your opinion of ALL movies with infidelity in them or movies that have actors who have engaged in adultery. I could be wrong, but that is why I asked you. If that is indeed the case then we can quickly advance author all of your future reviews by a simple cut / paste of your above posts.

I started this tread to discuss a movie that I had seen and enjoyed. I fully understand that not everyone will share my opinion. Regardless it is interesting to me to know why others have formed the opinions they have, good or bad, you included, else why even start the thread?

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Originally Posted by Mr. Goodstuff
Yes, you were ambiguous. That is why I asked you. Even your answer above is ambiguous. The content of any movie contains direction, cinematography, screenplay, story line, sound, makeup, as well as the actor’s performances. Are those the things you thought were dog excrement? Or is it just the infidelity parts that have caused you to form your position. Or was it the actor, Pitt? Or some combination?

in my 2 posts on this thread I SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED THE ADULTERY IN THE MOVIE Perhaps my objection to the adultery IN THE MOVIE was not clear even though I specifically mentioned it twice?

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Perhaps you were trying to send a “message” regarding your opinion of ALL movies with infidelity in them or movies that have actors who have engaged in adultery. I could be wrong, but that is why I asked you. If that is indeed the case then we can quickly advance author all of your future reviews by a simple cut / paste of your above posts.

No I was specifically referring to THIS MOVIE.

I don't per-se avoid actors or even movies with adultery in them anymore although I certainly used to!

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I started this tread to discuss a movie that I had seen and enjoyed. I fully understand that not everyone will share my opinion. Regardless it is interesting to me to know why others have formed the opinions they have, good or bad, you included, else why even start the thread?

and I anambiguously told you what I thought of it.


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Originally Posted by Mr. Goodstuff
The content of any movie contains direction, cinematography, screenplay, story line, sound, makeup, as well as the actor’s performances.

Mr Pep and I never got to see the last Bat Man movie, The Dark Knight, in a theater. We were very busy last summer care taking his mother at the end of her life.

So, we recently Netflix'ed (new word) that movie - we got it on Blue Ray so the picture would be crisp as possible.

It's loooooong

And, I know that Dark Knight is wildly popular - both my kids loved it. I thought it was boring and relentlessly thematically dark. The actors mumbled too much. One thing we did notice, there was very little background music, which shows the director and producers have a lot of faith in the story alone to keep the audience interested.

Yes, Keith Ledger's performance was amazing - truly. But take him out of the movie and what's left? Not much.

At the end of Dark Knight I was not interested in any of the characters ... the only redeeming character was killed .... the character played by Maggie Gyllenhaal .

I did not like it as a whole. However, the better part of that movie was cinematography and special effects. But, story-wise? uhuh


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I haven't seen that one Pep.

I did also see "Burn After Reading" recently which was hilarious despite the adultery in it. LOL. Maybe because there was no sense of the adultery being glorified? The film even had Brad Pitt in it.

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Okay, I saw this movie tonight and frankly, I was disappointed. Yes, it was beautifully directed, yes, it was beautifully acted, and yes, overall it was a good movie. A great movie, perhaps. Worthy of an Oscar, maybe. BUT, that being said, it could have been a great movie without the premise of aging backwards.
The rest of what I have to post is a spoiler, so I want to make sure that everyone knows that.

The thing that left me with such a bitter taste in my mouth is the fact that Daisy ended up taking care of him when he was old/young, which is what he did NOT want to happen when he left. So, he lost all of that time with his daughter for nothing. He could have spent that time with her and gotten to know her. She deserved to know her father and learn about him, not from his journal, but in person. That was the saddest part of the movie. Sure, her stepfather was a wonderful father (according to Daisy), but she DESERVED to know about her dad and only found out as her mother was dying.


So, disappointment, yes.


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I totally agree about The Dark Knight Pep! I thought I was the ONLY one! It was a complete "snoozefest" as far as I'm concerned...

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Yes, Keith Ledger's performance was amazing - truly. But take him out of the movie and what's left? Not much.

Pep,

The poor man's name was Heath Ledger.


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I understand your criticism of Button 100 percent. Like you, I think the ending was perhaps the weakest point of the entire movie that for me had no other weak points.

I had hoped for more. When I leave a movie I want to be cheering. For me, an uplifting ending that raises the spirits can actually “make” the movie. My biggest problem with the conclusion of Button is that 90 percent of the film is presented to the viewer as a wonderment of fantasy and then at the end it regresses into something almost with a science fiction feel. While the ending was griping I had hoped for more. I’m not sure what I wanted to see but I’m confident that these gifted writers could have penned a more satisfying ending.

So to you I present this alternate, DVD, ending, (soon to be added to the DVD, after David Fincher reads this).

Zoom in on the baby Benjamin just as he is about to close his eyes forever, only this time his eyes don’t close at that frightful moment. A cutaway scene shows the dismantling of the “clock that runs backwards”, being replaced by modern digital clock. As Daisy holds the small baby in her arms she awaits the inevitable that somehow, someway, never seems to arrive. As the ensuing days pass Benjamin clings to life as delicate and fragile as any other newborn baby’s life might be. It soon becomes clear to Daisy that Benjamin is… aging normally. Was it the clock? Was it blind fate? Or perhaps divine intervention? Does it matter? As the camera pans back on Daisy holding a sturdy Benjamin, the aged Daisy in the narrative says, “Life can come at us from all angles, some of it we’re prepared for and some of it catches us by surprise. But ALL of it makes us who we are.”

The scene returns to present day with Caroline holding her mother Daisy’s hand as Hurricane Katrina rages just beyond. Hospital staff is busily tending to the distress caused by the hurricane but Caroline is oblivious to the commotion all around her and is instead transfixed to her mother’s words as they hold each other’s hand. “Mom, what happened? What happened to Benjamin?” she pleads. Daisy gently squeezes her daughter’s hand and an almost effortless smile creeps across her face, the kind smile that says I know something that you don’t. She says, very simply, very plainly, “I was too old.” The smile fades and Daisy closes her eyes and dies. Caroline hugs her dead mother and sobs, her emotions spent from all she has heard and all that has happened. She knows her mother as she never has.

From behind her standing at the door to the hospital room a voice interrupts her thoughts, “I’m sorry ma’am; I tried to get her sooner but with the hurricane and all…am I too late?” Caroline lifts her head to look at the visitor. He is a handsome young man, neatly dressed about mid-twenties; he is holding a bouquet of flowers. Caroline stares at him for a moment as the knowledge of something wonderful washes over her. “Are you Benjamin Button?” It was more of a proclamation than a question. Before he can answer she says, “I’m so sorry, you’re too late, my mother just passed away.”

He says, “I am indeed sorry to hear that, your mother was a good woman. She was an important part of my life when I was a child growing up in the old folk’s home in the Quarter. I do believe that I loved her. And yes, I am Benjamin, you must be Caroline. I’m so sorry for your loss.”

“Thank you, I think my mother lived a great life Benjamin. I think she was glad to have been a part of yours.”

The camera pans back and their voices become indecipherable as they continue their conversation with each other. The scene moves to the old clock gathering dust in a forgotten warehouse; the flood waters from Katrina encroaching. The narrative in the voice of the elder Benjamin Button takes over, “Along the way you bump into people who make a dent on your life. Some people get struck by lightning. Some are born to sit by a river. Some have an ear for music. Some are artists. Some swim the English Channel. Some know buttons. Some know Shakespeare. Some are mothers. And some people can dance. My name is Benjamin Button and I was born under unusual circumstances…”

The End.


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Originally Posted by SugarCane
The poor man's name was Heath Ledger.

ooops, I did it again!

My kids correct me on this every time :crosseyedcrazy:

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Originally Posted by Pepperband
I know that Dark Knight is wildly popular - both my kids loved it. I thought it was boring and relentlessly thematically dark. The actors mumbled too much. One thing we did notice, there was very little background music, which shows the director and producers have a lot of faith in the story alone to keep the audience interested.

Yes, Keith Ledger's performance was amazing - truly. But take him out of the movie and what's left? Not much.
At the end of Dark Knight I was not interested in any of the characters ... the only redeeming character was killed .... the character played by Maggie Gyllenhaal .

I did not like it as a whole. However, the better part of that movie was cinematography and special effects. But, story-wise? uhuh

I haven't seen Benjamin Button - yet, so I hope this isn't a t/j. But as an avid film buff, I wanted to address Pep's comments about the Dark Knight.

I thought the movie was exciting and that the soundtrack really complimented the action. (I love, love, love Hans Zimmer scores - Gladiator, The DaVinci Code) We saw the film in Imax with our kids. When Batman jumps off the building....wow!

My husband and I both thought that Maggie Gyllenhaal was the weakest link of all the actors. The former skater in me loathed her bad posture and rounded shoulders. My husband simply doesn't find her attractive. We thought the supporting characters played by Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman were very nuanced for a movie based on a cartoon. The plot twist involving Gary Oldman surprised me, and I can usually see these things coming a mile away. And I do think that the movie is worth seeing if no other reason than Ledger's performance.

My only disappointment in the series is Christian Bale. Why the rough whisper when he is in character? It's distracting and silly. I've been amazed by his skills since Emperor of the Sun, but he has dropped the ball with that particular verbal tic.

I plan on seeing Benjamin Button this weekend. I am not a Brad Pitt fan; I find his looks kind of boring and his a lack of intensity (as compared to an actor like Russell Crowe)lets my attention wander. But the F. Scott Fitzgerald story was a good one and people seem to like the movie, so...

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I haven't seen Benjamin Button - yet, so I hope this isn't a t/j. But as an avid film buff, I wanted to address Pep's comments about the Dark Knight.

So long as we are discussing the good and bad of today’s (and yesterdays) Hollywood films, then it is not a thread jack.

"So let it be written, so let it be done." (Yul Brynner as Rameses, The Ten Commandments, 1956)

As for the Dark Knight? For me, the movie delivered great action, great cinematography; above average acting performances and of course special effects that just don’t seem so special anymore, but in the end the Dark Knight failed to create lasting images. Heath’s performance as the Joker was the high point of the movie and great fun but alas, like the movie itself, he left no lasting impression, after all we’re talking about a guy in clown makeup and we all know how creepy clowns are.

The comic book to movie screen efforts continues to come at us but NONE have captured essence and feel of any of the comic books that I worshiped as a ten year old. This is not to say that Spiderman, The Hulk, Ironman, Superman and of course Batman don’t deliver. In fact, just the opposite, I think these latest efforts are great fun and most entertaining. The basic problem is that the great Stan Lee was a better comic book writer than Hollywood is a screen writer. Eight out of ten stars.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Goodstuff
"So let it be written, so let it be done." (Yul Brynner as Rameses, The Ten Commandments, 1956)

Great quote! A movie that I really enjoyed as a kid and still do today.

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As for the Dark Knight? For me, the movie delivered great action, great cinematography; above average acting performances and of course special effects that just don’t seem so special anymore,

I know what you mean. I remember being blown away by the original Star Wars in 1977. For its time it was really something. Now a lot of "special effects" films leave me cold and yawning.

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Dark Knight failed to create lasting images. Heath’s performance as the Joker was the high point of the movie and great fun but alas, like the movie itself, he left no lasting impression, after all we’re talking about a guy in clown makeup and we all know how creepy clowns are.

Clowns were my daughter's first official nightmare. But I did find myself thinking about the movie for quite a while after I saw it. Maybe it's because we were all cooped up on a plane for a long ride.

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The basic problem is that the great Stan Lee was a better comic book writer than Hollywood is a screen writer. Eight out of ten stars.

Although I was more of an Archie comic book consumer as a kid, I tend to agree with you regarding comic books being transferred to the big screen. I wasn't fond of the first few Batman movies. The first Spiderman was good, but the last one I saw was pathetic. D i c k Tracy was execrable. There's another comic book movie coming out that looks interesting though: The Watchmen. Or maybe it will be one of those movies that just has a good looking trailer.


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I enjoyed Iron Man - a comic book character , but not.

And anyone else laff their butts off at Tropic Thunder?

The first movie in YEARS where I enjoyed Tom Cruise's performance.

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Me me me. Tom Cruise was so un-Tom Cruise with that cool crazy dancing. Totally nuts. I also loved Iron Man with its great music. Robert Downey Jr was fantastic. Can't wait to see Benjamin but it hasn't opened here (HK) yet.

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The first movie in YEARS where I enjoyed Tom Cruise's performance.

Like you, I thought that was a fairly engaging comedic performance by Tom Cruise in Tropic Thunder.

Poor Tom Cruise, he is given the absolute plum roles and he almost always underachieves. He just can’t do it. I will never understand why he gets so many chances. His first movie hit “Risky Business” showed so much promise but then, movie after movie he failed to deliver.

For me, his closest score was “Jerry McGuire”. I’ll also give him a thumbs-up in The Last Samurai, Collateral (his best performance) and perhaps Magnolia, maybe, well, I guess not much else.

Sure enough, he has been in some fine films but to me, he has been the weak link in those films, Rain Man, A Few Good Men, The Color of Money, The Firm, all come to mind. All these movies could have been better had they cast someone else in Tom’s roles.

Then there are the films that he stared in that were just plain bad, All the Right Moves, War of the Worlds, Lions for Lambs, Mission Impossible Series and Days of Thunder. I know that many of you adore Top Gun, but to me it was one big bore.

I haven‘t seen him in his new Nazi movie, I will wait for the DVD.

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For those who didn’t know or, like me, can’t remember TCCOBB is from a short story by F Scott Fitzgerald:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Curious_Case_of_Benjamin_Button_(short_story)

The movie has no resemblance to the story except for the title and the reverse-aging plot mechanism. The story is much better than the movie.

For anyone interested in another really good reverse-aging story, I recommend Hyperion, by Dan Simmons. Specifically, “The Scholar's Tale: The River Lethe's Taste is Bitter”.


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I just wasted 3 hours of my life and $15 on this POS movie.

ITA with BK.

I felt like I needed a shower after leaving the theatre.

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I don't know what the hype is about BP. The only BP movie I've ever seen that was worth the time I spent watching it was 'The River Runs Through It'. I have a friend who says TCCOBB was great. However, hearing it is based on a Fitzgerald story tells me that I don't want to see it. I don't care for Fitzgerald. When I was in college, before I learned of his personal devils, I could tell (from his writings) that he was one sick puppy.

Don't plan on me spending a dime on this movie.

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I really liked the movie. Could have done without the infidelity subplot, but the character development was incredible and it was a visually beautiful piece. And it made me puzzle over the premise and the characters.
Favorite scene was the one leading up to the accident. Because a little bug went Ka-Choo!
Now, BP I can do without but he's a pretty thing. Just sayin'. Doesn't get him off the hook for infidelity.


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