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So last night it hit the fan-again-and it does look like he'll actually file for seperation of bed and board. that means we'll go to court and one of us will have to move out of the house. He says he will- though it's his house, his loan, I"m not on the deed or the mortgage-

We'll lose the house for sure, neither of us can afford it

And we have an almost 4 year old and an almost 1 year old.

Someone please tell me I'll be okay- and more importantly, someone please tell me the children will be okay. Even if you have to lie. crazy

You have to be separated for a year here, so I'll be doing plan B once one of us is gone, just for sanity's sake.

There are so many reasons why this is a good thing, 3 years of hell for both of us. An unforgiving H, there was nothing I could do....and the things he did want, which I did some of, were horrible and only would have made me hate him...

And in case iam or Krazy or whoever it is that feels this way asks- I told him last night he could have custody and he did not want it. Not only that, he does not want to see them at all. How could a dad be that way? I guess they deserve a better dad than he is...

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So sorry this has happened.

What made him say he is going to file for divorce?

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very sorry this has happened.

I guess he may or may not divorce no matter what he is saying now. Hard to know that one.

Will you and the kids be ok? Yes even if hard to see that now people get through these sad events and live full healthy lives. Just take things one day at a time.

However something you have said has raised a big red flag with me ....... "I told him last night he could have custody and he did not want it. Not only that, he does not want to see them at all." redflag redflag redflag

that sounds to me like a BS who may be in the middle of a revenge affair.... It sounds like a WS who wants to be 'left alone' to enjoy the affair uninterrupted.
but I may be wrong and just overly suspicious.

what "blew up" and started this discussion on separation??????


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It was me, hounding him, really. He had started the evening (and we are in the period of when my affair was going on 3 years ago- an awful "anniversary" if you will)- with "I WANT a divorce but I am not going to DO it," which I hear all the time. THen I pushed and pushed and pushed and finally he said "I can't take YOU any more. I want a divorce and I love the kids but they're not enough. You've ruined my night for the last time." Or words to that effect.

Honestly, if it weren't for the kids and feeling like a 2 time loser (this is my second marriage, no infidelity on either part), I would feel relief. I have my list- I"m a big list person- and there are only 3-4 reasons that a divorce is bad, and lots why it's probably a good thing. It was never going to be the forever I thought it was.....

I have wondered about the revenge affair-and asked- and he always says, "I'm not like you, wh**e." But the computer is password protected for each user and I don't have his- he has ALL my passwords. He works odd hours and sometimes leaves early but he has always done that. I see no weird numbers on his cell, he rarely uses or answers it.....

He's probably at the courthouse now....

Please keep reassuring me that the children will be all right. We had a really crappy marriage BEFORE the EA, he, in my opinion was and is very emotionally abusive- there's not a lot of good memories...I just thought he'd be there for the kids. I guess I should have known buy how he is with his kids from a previous marriage who have nothing to do with him....


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howtoheal, I've been reading your posts in a growing state of disbelief.

The idea that your one month long EA nearly three years ago entitles your H to act the way he does toward you is ludicrous beyond belief. It goes way beyond a possible revenge affair - it comes down to basic human decency.

Where is your respect for yourself? Do you actually believe that your H should still be treating you this way? Do you think it is good for him to be able to act this way toward you? Do you think that it's good for your children to see your H treat you the way he does?

If you are a list person, what's on your list as a reason to remain with this man?

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And in case iam or Krazy or whoever it is that feels this way asks- I told him last night he could have custody and he did not want it. Not only that, he does not want to see them at all. How could a dad be that way? I guess they deserve a better dad than he is...

Oh for the love of Pete, stop with the self-flagellation. It serves no purpose. You are not married to iam or Krazy. Get a grip and go see a lawyer - for your children's sake, woman.

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I know Penalty Kill, I know. It was just trying to do everything I can do to keep my family together. I would never give up my children.....

I don't love him anymore. He has just literally emotionally abused me this whole marriage, before EA, after EA, there's nothing left.....nothing left but a 4 year old that adores him and a one year old that will never know him....and they are on the top of my list of what is keeping me married to him. That, the house- which he keeps threatening to sell/foreclose on anyway- and no more "we." But there's not really a we, he refuses to do anything work related as far as socializing, we do (did)go out at least once a week and spend time together, but he is the master of put-downs.....

If it were a friend of mine-or heaven forbid my own daughter- going through this I'd tell her to run and not look back.....



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I'm guessing that the old abusive ways are not getting him the thrill they once did. So he's escalating, to get a bigger remorseful reaction out of you. I'm guessing that he's biding his time, to see you beg him for forgiveness again. It's an old rush. He's addicted to a power-over relationship with you - and he's always enjoyed that addiction. Now he's needing a bigger dose to give him that same pleasure.

He needs help.

The last time I posted to you, you didn't post for 6 months - I know you were in the process of having a baby, but I want to make sure you understand I'm here for you, and I'm not trying to run you off. I'm hoping that you will do the one thing that will get your husband the help he needs from his spiritual leaders - the one thing you have avoided and shut off all communication every time it is brought up. Why? Why are you afraid to get out of God's way. You HAVE to know this is wrong. That no matter what your daughters did, that you would not ever want them treated by their husbands the way you have been treated. No reason. It's not justified.

Here's the last thing I said to you - please read it prayerfully and consider taking action this time. If he escalates to the next stage of abuse, you may not live to read it again.

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We've talked before that his faith doesn't condone pot smoking or the kind of abuse he's been dishing out before and after your EA.

You are standing between him and God, and you are preventing his recovery or potential for recovery.

It's time.

You know it. Imagine Jesus talking with you about the Atonement - what He did to cover the debt of your sins and of your husband's sins. But you seem to be bent on suffering for your own and forgetting that He already suffered them. Will you make His gift for nothing?

Talk with your ecclesiastical leaders - about ALL of it. At this point, three years later, they're not going to think you're excusing yourself. Let your husband go through his recovery or fall. But get out of the way of God taking care of you!


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I know Penalty Kill, I know. It was just trying to do everything I can do to keep my family together. I would never give up my children.....

I am so not letting you off the hook here. You're telling me that you proposed something to your husband - the custody of your CHILDREN - that you did not mean...because you heard some posters here say was a good idea??

Does this sound even vaguely rational to you?

I don't think that I have ever come down on a poster the way I am going to come down on you right now. Like a ton of bricks.

It is not just your H that is getting off on this ridiculous and harmful game. You are deriving something from it as well. It is time to admit that to yourself. This isn't about some EA you had 3 years ago. This is about the dynamic that exists between you and your H.

When I said self-flagellation, I meant it. Whatever in the past has caused you to believe that you do not deserve to be treated properly cannot be changed. But you do have the opportunity to do something right in the present. Get some help, and I don't mean from this forum. Personally, I suggest a lawyer, particularly since you mention financial issues. Get some help in real life, so that your children don't grow up to believe that this is what marriage looks like.



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Kayla Andy- I know your'e right. It's easier said than done. I guess I need to lose the house and the marriage and save myself and the kids. I dont' want them growing up with this example. I fear the damage done to my kids from my previous marriage. My 14 year old commented "I don't know why you've put up with it for this long." They don't know of the EA....

Supposedly he's telling them tonight, we had a family meeting scheduled for some school stuff for my oldest.....before it was "dont tell them yet" because he wanted the chance to change his mind, guess he doesnt' need that.....

I know it's better, I know I'll be better off and so will the kids...

How could I choose a man who would do that to his children? I deserve his wanting to divorce, it comes with what I did. But to not see the kids....and they are wonderful, even if I'm a bit prejudiced...

And I'm sure he says how could he have chosen a person who did what I did.

It sure was not worth it at all...

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Penalty Kill- you know what it is? I don't like to lose. I like to think that if I just say please enough that I'll get what I want. It doesn't change the situation at all- and after I get what I want, I know it will just happen again. It's drama, and it's one of the things I have to work on and it's definitely one of the things he hates most about me. I told him once that when I start to freak out, if he'd just hug me and tell me it's going to be all right then I'd chill- he said I shouldn't need that. Well, he's right but I thought I could ask for help and receive it from a spouse...

I absolutely know there are things I can change. I am going to ask my spiritual leader for a recommendation for a counselor. I have begged and begged for him to go to MC, he has only refuesed, and when I started seeing an IC he threatened to divorce me...so I stopped...




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Someone please tell me I'll be okay- and more importantly, someone please tell me the children will be okay. Even if you have to lie.
YES, you will be OK. Your children are a child of G-d and will be ok. They have their own journeys and how they turn out needs to be given to G-d.

You have to TRUST G-d that he will turn this BAD into GOOD for THEM..




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This much is certain - unless your husband finds true remorse for what he has done to you, your marriage has no chance. The marriage has been over before your EA ever happened. A man cannot do this to a woman and not doom his marriage to her.

The fact that he abuses you in an evil way while posturing as righteous - calling you the names he calls you is truly an indication that he needs ecclesiastical intervention. He no longer can discern right from wrong. And you can't tell him because you are the object of his abuse. So of course you'd protest. But from his church leaders, all together different.

Your family's only chance to have him be a good man is to go through the church process.


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Queenie, I always love your posts. I even said that to him last night- when he called me a wh**e, I told him I had repented and was a child of God no matter what. He said "Don't preach to me, wh**e."

But I know you're right and I know I have value.

Thank You.


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Kayla, right now he says- as far as church is concerned- "it is what it is."

He has to do that himself, me keeping on asking him is not working, for obvious reasons...

I have to worry about the kids, not him...


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Not only that, he does not want to see them at all. How could a dad be that way?

I don't know your backstory and I'm too lazy at the moment to look, but it is possible that BH is merely lashing out in anger (at you or himself) and he will come to his senses. It may sound horrible but his children will remind him of YOU and right now YOU piss him off for the EA or whatever other reason (in his mind)he has to be hostile towards you.



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BR, no that's not it, this has been going on 3 years...and time is not wounding all heels, it's just making him mad that I haven't degraded myself like he wants...

We'll see if he really did it today- to do divorce from bread and board you have to claim indignities to great to recover from, infidelity, abandonment, forcibly being removed- maybe one or two more choices. He might claim infidelity, but that wouldnt' stand up in court as it's defined in the physical sense and that wasn't what I did- EA, never met the OM.

Or he can move out and start the clock ticking...

Funny, my house payment bounced today, so I have extra $$

I just did a child support calculator and it said he'd pay 0 child support! I hope that's not right....I did it before and so did he and came up with ~$800

I know that these are consequences to my actions- but I wish we didn't have one more child to affect, and that the first one was younger- she was a year old during the A...

Infidelity really does suck.


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BR, no that's not it, this has been going on 3 years

I looked back at one of your threads...

I'm not convinced it's not it or at least not part of it. If you knew, you wouldn't be asking. Both of us might be wrong.

From my own experience as a BS I had such dark thoughts about my children. Shameful but true. I love my children dearly and wouldn't trade them for anything in the world but I admit there were times when I didn't want any reminders of FWH around me. Wanted to burn my wedding photos, wanted to throw his things in the garbage, and sometimes wished my children had a different father or didn't exist so I could be free of HIM. I've read this from others on occassion as well.

Your H sounds like an angry person. Whether it's one thing or a series of things one holds onto for 3 years or 30 years, at some point he is going to blow if the situation isn't defused. You admitted to nagging your H and then H said this.


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Maybe so, but really it's a moot point. He'll do what he's going to do.

We could be a good couple, we could have a good marriage. I should have handled my devastation at the emotional hurt I felt in many situations by working with him, not having an EA.

The hardest thing is that this is my fault and my kids are going to be seriously affected.

Also, I used to post as M r s Ro b (please don't put all those letters together in a post, if BH found that I was still posting here there would be hell to pay) and there are threads from 3 years ago.....

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HOWTOHEAL,

you should read and understand here that you are not the first to go thru this abuse, and probably not the last. But read and reflect what Dr Harley says:

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Using resentment as a way to control and punish a spouse

I'm convinced that what's kept the resentment of S.R.'s husband alive for so many years is that he has found it to be an effective way to control and punish her whenever she doesn't do what he wants. Whenever they have a fight, he brings it up, and it causes her such guilt that it gives him a decided advantage in winning the argument.

By this time, I don't believe that her affair is the problem that she thinks it is. Instead, it is an issue that her husband is using to get the upper hand in his relationship with her. It probably shows up the most whenever she has been reluctant to have sex with him. It throws her off balance whenever he mentions it, and makes her feel guilty, wanting to make it up to him somehow. He may also bring it up whenever she is winning in a power struggle he is having with her.

What she describes to me in her letter is abuse, pure and simple. There is no excuse for the way her husband keeps bringing up her moment of weakness she experienced years ago. He is disrespectful and abusive.

I suggest that she look him right in the eye and say to him, "Listen Buster, do you love me? Do you want me to love you? Do you want to spend the rest of your life with me? If the answers to any of those questions is 'yes' you sure are going about it the wrong way. You are not doing things that I admire, you're doing things that I find disgusting!"

What if he says, "Fine, then lets just get a divorce and end it all."

To that I would say, "It's up to you. I married you for life, but if you want a divorce, it's your call. If you want to be in a love relationship with me, however, you're going to have to treat me much better than you have been treating me. You must never again bring up my affair, and if you are upset with me, you will have to treat me with respect until we can solve the problem. If you are upset with our sexual relationship, I want us to discuss it as adults and solve it with mutual respect. I refuse to be treated like this, especially by the man I love."

My advice to her husband is to never mention her affair again. It's a good example of one of the enemies of good conversation, dwelling on past mistakes. Whenever you keep bringing up your spouses past mistakes, you not only make your conversations incredibly unpleasant, but it cannot possibly lead to a resolution of a conflict you may be discussing. And as soon as his resentment doesn't pay him any dividends -- no longer helps him get his way -- he will find that it hardly ever occurs to him.

Hanging on to an unpleasant thought because it helps us somehow is what psychologists call "secondary gain." It means that even though the thought is unpleasant, it gets you something you need, so your mind keeps it around for its usefulness. There are many unpleasant thoughts that have this characteristic, and I have helped many people let them go by helping them destroy the usefulness of the thought. Making sure that S.K.'s husband never gets what he wants by bringing up her affair will help him overcome his resentment.


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