Oh my god, Tully, I hope you are O.K.

What does your solicitor want you to do when you are in France?

You did say that you had friends in town? Correct?
Now is the time to locally expose. I would raise CAIN -
See if your solicitor can bring in WH old solicitor as an advocate for you. It is clear now what WH intended on doing all along.-- Maybe his old atty can be of assistance to you. I pray so.

Are you going to the local (France) authorities? I mean, you have the printout of him saying he hit you- can you press charges now?


Let not one person (friend)who cared for you fail to hear. Explain the association with the "mediator's group".
I am afraid this will go very badly FOR YOUR WH--
But I hate to think of what you and family are going thru.

Really praying for you-

Do not be afraid to ask people for their help.

Nancy

Did your WH have to have passports for all the children?

Do you think this new group he is associating with could have faked them?

What is the dumba$$ doing? This is just not right.

Dear God no, tully. How did he do this?

Our love is with you. Please write as soon as you can.

THATS it i am going to france with a certain set of skills and one really pissed off attitude. If more info is needed referance the movie taken.

good Lord!

Tully,

I am so very sorry to hear of this development. I guess the me...me...me entitlement has been expressed to its fullest. I'm sure this is very scary for you. Please know that everyone here is behind you! If there is anything I can do personally please say the word. I will have you and your children in my prayers.

Gods speed.

Mindshare

Tully, I'm so very sorry. I think that, when you get your girls back, your husband has just bought himself some supervised visitation ONLY.

Prayers are going up for you and your girls!

I'm scared for you, Tully.

Get the best damn lawyer you can and (in the words of Billy Boy Thornton(sp?) "sue him so hard his turds get garnished."

I'm not sure how you proceed, I'll let the vets handle this.

I will pray for you.

I suppose we can see now why WH did not bring the case he threatened against you. He must have realised that he might lose in doing that, but he might win in the longer term by doing this.

He must have been given advice from the militant organisation that courts usually leave the children where they are, even when moving them abroad might have been illegal. He must have been advised to take them by whatever means and rely on the law's inertia.

There must be some way of getting an urgent court hearing in France to settle this issue. The sooner a judge considers this case, the more likely the decision will be to give you legal custody, in Ireland if you so wish. The longer it takes it get a hearing, the more likely the decision will be that the girls must not be moved again.

As a mum in this situation, this is our worst fear. Get as much advice as you can and as hard as it is, do not act in haste. Be prepared. You are fighting for the girls long term and you need your wits about you. Don't stoop to your WH's tactics. He's a fool. Take care!

Perhaps I shouldn't be surprised, but I am, that your parents-in-law are helping their son with this action.

They know from you that their son was reluctant to commit to NC and rebuilding the marriage. They know are that you worn down by this and went to your father's for support. You did not keep the children away from H and let him keep them overnight, several times. You made formal proposals for rebuilding, including working with Steve Harley. You made more than one written offer of reconciliation if H would establish NC.

And now they are helping him snatch these children who are already traumatised because of their family breakdown. They show no understanding of your situation and every support for his immoral behaviour. Do they support the affair relationship? Will they be happy for their grandchildren to be brought up in the affair environment? I don't suppose H has gone public with the affair yet, because it will not good look in court, but he will do one day. OW won't accept being a dirty little secret for ever.

The children know of the affair and know that their father would not reconcile with their mother because he liked OW. I wonder what they are saying to him and their grandparents now about being taken from their mother like this.

H must not mind what people in the village and at the school will say about his taking the children away from their mother after his affair. He must have changed a lot from the man you lived with for all these years.

Wasn't Saturday, the day he took them, the anniversary of the affair starting?

Tully, I'm truly sorry. What a nightmare.

I've been watching the board, waiting for exactly this to happen, I'm afraid. I think many posters sensed that it was inevitable. The no-support-in-the-village idea assumed that he would actually care what people thought. Tully, he's at war with the world now. He's a one-man army against the stupidity of other people. By aligning himself with the militant fathers' group, he's put himself on the other side of an important fence.

He'll see it that he's rescued the girls and brought them home.

Separating small children from their mother is outrageous. I am FURIOUS with your in-laws for supporting this action.

You need a really good lawyer.

Prayers are with you.

{{{Tully}}}

TA

Thank you all very much for your messages of support. I am in France now in a friend's house. I went to the police station to ask if they would come and get my PIL to leave the house if they refused my request to leave. (I know they will refuse if I ask.) The police say no but I haven't been able to get in touch with my solicitor. She doesn't know that my PIL are in the house (I found that out after our email exchange) so I'm not sure what my rights are with regard to that. Any advice from the experts? Good idea about contacting WH's ex-solicitor, I'll try that. She might help me since she is no longer WH's solicitor.

My own solicitor advised me to go to the house and be there with the children until a court order on custody is decided but it would be very hard on me if I am outnumbered by 3 hostile adults. The children are unaware as far as I know the extent of the hostilities. To them this is just their family.

I sent this email this pm to WH. No reply as of yet.


Will keep you updated. Thank you.

I am sooooooooo out of my league.
However, follow your solicitor's advice to a T.
Hard on you right now? Yes. Harder if you don't? ABSOLUTELY

PS - get your in-laws out of YOUR house by any legal means possible.
ANY legal means.

tully, if you can find time, please tell us how H did this.

(I know you've got far more important things to do than post on this board!)

Have you seen the girls yet? Do they know you're nearby?

I agree with Pep.

I know it's very tough on you, Tully, but I believe you need to do it.

Get into your own home. Face up to them, face them down. You can do it.

TA
Edited to add:
Tully, all of the children know there's something very wrong. They know you didn't tell them they were going to France. They know they have been removed from their mother. They know there is serious conflict between their parents. They know this is a bad situation. They're now torn in two.

I am assuming you have the girls passports with you ( so you can bring them home.)
Before you go to your France home, You need to secure these in a bank- security deposit box.
Under no circumstances allow your husband access to these documents- believe me, he will raid your purse, luggage and any hiding spot in your house. Trust no one to hold these for you- it is way too important!
In addtion, keep your passport in the security box. And any cash you can get your philangies on.

Do not allow him to do anything that is going to prevent you from leaving the country. You or your kids- at a moments notice.

When the judge grants you custody- be on the next plane out of there.

thinking of you-

Nancy

I KNEW THIS WOULD HAPPEN! That's why I asked if you had the passports.

Follow your solicitor's instructions. Do you have copy of document showing you as co-owner/co-leasor of the property? That should give you a greater demonstrated right to access than your pil have.

I'm so mad that kicking you poswh in the shins with my pointy toed shoes is not enough!!!!

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That's all I have to say!

*$&)#(*@$&@#)*($&@#)($*&@#

Poor girls. Stuck with poswh for a father!

*#$&)#*($&#@*()$&@#$*(

So mad I don't have words for it!

Tully, you're living a very difficult nightmare right now.
Definitely follow your solicitor's advice.

My exH and I had a shared custody agreement. Six months with me, six months with him. Then he moved 900 miles away and the courts did NOT see any reason to change the custody arrangement. So I can relate a little bit to what you're going through. Granted, I didn't have to fight across national boundaries so your situation is much more complicated.

Just take it one day at a time (or one hour). Your children know you love them and truly that is the one important thing in all this. My children have a great relationship with me and believe it or not their relationship with their Dad is pretty darn good too. My kids do well in school and have pick good friends.

I know times are very dark right now Tully. I am thinking of you.

I don't think you should have warned him, or given him this time. Can someone watch the house for you to make sure the kids are still there when you arrive as promised?

tl