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#2237755 03/31/09 10:08 AM
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Here's my short history
* Married almost 18 years
* 2 teenaged children
* Caught my wife looking for dates & sex online in 2007
* Tried to fix things and tried to get her to follow the Marriage Builders program, but she wouldn't
* Caught her contacting men at least two other times over the next year, nothing since then
* After remaining faithful to her, but not very loving, for 17 years I started an affair last fall that has just ended
* During the affair I started to divorce her, moved into an apartment, but haven't filed any papers yet

So... now I think I want to go back to her, if only for the kids' sake. I don't have much respect for her right now and I think she feels the same way. My parents (who I stayed with for 2 months) are appalled at what she's done and don't want me to go back to her -- She has a long history of lying and doing terribly irresponsible things. I'm willing to seek counseling with her. I don't know if things will work out, but I think it will be better for the children (and for us financially) if we stay together for 3 more years until they're out of high school

What should I do? Try to salvage something, even if it's temporary, or move on? I really want to live in the same house with my kids again!

Also... I would have to break the lease on my new apartment. Does anyone know if that would harm my credit rating?

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So, you want a marriage of convenience. Isn't that what got you to this loveless place? You were faithful but not loving for 17 years. You were not meeting her needs and she looked elsewhere. You did the same by having an affair. Doesn't sound like that will change. Doesn't your wife deserve to be with someone that actually loves her? Are you willing to be that man? Are you willing to do the work that may bring love back into your marriage? If not, I would leave your wife alone.


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You're worried about your credit rating???

Unbelievable...

How about your poor children? They go through the turmoil of their mum cheating, and I imagine there was some fallout in the home over that. Then you cheat, leave the home, and now may go back?? Children need stability. How are you and your W providing them with stability. How are you and your W their soft place to land?

Please think long and hard about your next decision. You should worry more about your children's feelings than your credit rating.

How are they coping?

Sorry if you think I'm just venting at you, but it just hurts when I read of selfish waywards who do not take the responsibiity of having children seriously.

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I agree with serendipitous. What are your priorities? They seem to be:
1. Do what is easy even if it hurts my marriage and family.
2. Do what feels good no matter who gets in the way.
3. protect credit rating.
4. Live in my comfy house no matter who it hurts.
5. Spend time with my children to make me feel good - even if I am a terrible role model and cause much turmoil.

Does that about sum it up?


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I realize that I haven't been married as long as you have. But if the two of you aren't in love with each other I don't suggest getting back together. Personally at the moment I am in a marriage where my husband is not sure whether he loves me or not. I haven't left yet because I want him to realize that he does. But at the moment it is excruciatingly painful living here and sleeping on the couch and living with this pain. Knowing that he may not love me any more, we have been together lately just because of our son. Neither one of us wants to live with out him, but we're not sure we want to live with each other.

I say be true to your self. Make sure that you both are in love before you go back to her. Your children may be upset and angry, but they will eventually understand. I have been told that I should not worry about what I want so that my son can have both of his parents. To sacrifice for my child. I think that I'd rather make sure that my son sees how happy I am instead of sees me pretending to be happy. I don't want my son to think that marriage is about only tolerating each other instead of love. My mother who has been married 3 times and is still miserable told me that sometimes that is what marriage is all about, tolerance. Well I'm a true romantic and believe that if you don't love your spouse then you shouldn't be married. But that's just me.

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Fred,

For the sake of the children? C'mon...that's ridiculous. You will do them more harm then good by moving back home and continuing to teach them that is acceptable to be in a loveless relationship. Do you want them to do the same thing when they are old enough to marry? Children learn from what they observe. Do not teach them that it is accpetable to stay in a bad situation otherwise, that is exactly what they will do. If you really care about them teach them to stand up and do the right thing. To expect more from their future partners. Your current line of thinking isn't helping them at all...in fact, you will be hurting them.

Give it some real thought.

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Originally Posted by GoddessLacey
I realize that I haven't been married as long as you have. But if the two of you aren't in love with each other I don't suggest getting back together. Personally at the moment I am in a marriage where my husband is not sure whether he loves me or not. I haven't left yet because I want him to realize that he does. But at the moment it is excruciatingly painful living here and sleeping on the couch and living with this pain. Knowing that he may not love me any more, we have been together lately just because of our son. Neither one of us wants to live with out him, but we're not sure we want to live with each other.

I say be true to your self. Make sure that you both are in love before you go back to her. Your children may be upset and angry, but they will eventually understand. I have been told that I should not worry about what I want so that my son can have both of his parents. To sacrifice for my child. I think that I'd rather make sure that my son sees how happy I am instead of sees me pretending to be happy. I don't want my son to think that marriage is about only tolerating each other instead of love. My mother who has been married 3 times and is still miserable told me that sometimes that is what marriage is all about, tolerance. Well I'm a true romantic and believe that if you don't love your spouse then you shouldn't be married. But that's just me.

TJ/

Wow, lots of wayward thinking in here. Sounds like it came straight out of the wayward handbook.

GoddessLacey, have you read Surviving an Affair? the articles on this site? This is not MB advice.

/TJ


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Originally Posted by GoddessLacey
I say be true to your self.

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I ask: What is best for your children? Their needs trump your needs.

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Originally Posted by Fred-J
* Tried to fix things and tried to get her to follow the Marriage Builders program, but she wouldn't[/b[b]]Did you try to follow the Marriage Builders program or just expect your wife to?* * After remaining faithful to her, but not very loving, for 17 years I started an affair last fall that has just ended
* During the affair I started to divorce her, moved into an apartment, but haven't filed any papers yet

So... now I think I want to go back to her, if only for the kids' sake. I don't have much respect for her right now and I think she feels the same way. My parents (who I stayed with for 2 months) are appalled at what she's done and don't want me to go back to her -- She has a long history of lying and doing terribly irresponsible things. I'm willing to seek counseling with her. I don't know if things will work out, but I think it will be better for the children (and for us financially) if we stay together for 3 more years until they're out of high school

What should I do? Try to salvage something, even if it's temporary, or move on? I really want to live in the same house with my kids again!

Also... I would have to break the lease on my new apartment. Does anyone know if that would harm my credit rating?



Maybe you need to let the fog of your affair clear a little bit before you go home to save money, your credit rating, and your commute to visit your kids. Sorry, I am being so brutal to you but your post is so selfish. Can you see that?


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First... I seem to be taking somewhat of an undeserved beating about the credit-rating question. That was simply an afterthought. It isn't important to me, I was just wondering.

Second... I do deserve the beating I've received about being selfish, leaving my kids, etc. Thank you for your candor and I am going to think long and hard like all of you suggest.

When I discovered my wife's attempt at infidelity I tried very hard for nearly a year to win her back, to show her the love she deserves, etc. and she did not respond at all. She told me many times she was going to leave me in July of 2012. I was vulnerable when another woman made a pass at me and I did the wrong thing. This isn't an excuse -- I was stupid, selfish, and didn't think of the consequences. However, when I told my wife I wanted a divorce a few months ago, she confessed that she had changed her mind about leaving me. I think there may still be hope for us.

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It's interesting that your parents are appalled at what SHE has done. They're not appalled at your behavior?

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You are twisting what I said. He said he doesn't respect her and he THINKS he wants to go back to her. I agree that he should not go back to her. If you read my post then you would know that. I believe that he should do what is best for all involved, especially his children. And that is to not go back to her. Establish your own life. Give yourself a chance to show your children that you love them, not that you hate their mother. If you go back to her, you will eventually hate her or feel hateful toward her. That is if you don't already. Be true to yourself by being the best father you can be, by showing your children that there is such thing as love, even if it is not with their mother.

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Originally Posted by Fred-J
First... I seem to be taking somewhat of an undeserved beating about the credit-rating question. That was simply an afterthought. It isn't important to me, I was just wondering.

Second... I do deserve the beating I've received about being selfish, leaving my kids, etc. Thank you for your candor and I am going to think long and hard like all of you suggest.

When I discovered my wife's attempt at infidelity I tried very hard for nearly a year to win her back, to show her the love she deserves, etc. and she did not respond at all. She told me many times she was going to leave me in July of 2012. I was vulnerable when another woman made a pass at me and I did the wrong thing. This isn't an excuse -- I was stupid, selfish, and didn't think of the consequences. However, when I told my wife I wanted a divorce a few months ago, she confessed that she had changed her mind about leaving me. I think there may still be hope for us.

Now, those are reasons to work on a marriage. Sounds like both of you need some fog to clear. You have been married a long time and have children to raise. If you want a real marriage, then it is worth doing the work to save it. When you tried before, your wife was probably still foggy. Are both of you willing to try to meet each other's needs? Are both of you willing to spend time together? Are both of you willing to have no contact with previous lovers?


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Originally Posted by stillstanding2
Did you try to follow the Marriage Builders program or just expect your wife to?


I did follow the program and I still have all of the notes I made... lists of my love busters, etc. She finally looked at the website after about six months of my asking her to (not pushing her too hard) and said the ideas looked good, but they wouldn't work for us.

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Maybe you need to let the fog of your affair clear a little bit before you go home to save money, your credit rating, and your commute to visit your kids. Sorry, I am being so brutal to you but your post is so selfish. Can you see that?
I think the kids would be better with me back at home. They are clearly happy when I can spend time with them and we've done several things together as a family that have gone well. Part of me is being selfish, but another part wants to be there for my children, and for my wife.

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Originally Posted by Fred-J
Originally Posted by stillstanding2
Did you try to follow the Marriage Builders program or just expect your wife to?


I did follow the program and I still have all of the notes I made... lists of my love busters, etc. She finally looked at the website after about six months of my asking her to (not pushing her too hard) and said the ideas looked good, but they wouldn't work for us. Was she still foggy? Can you try again?
Originally Posted by stillstanding2
Maybe you need to let the fog of your affair clear a little bit before you go home to save money, your credit rating, and your commute to visit your kids. Sorry, I am being so brutal to you but your post is so selfish. Can you see that?
I think the kids would be better with me back at home. They are clearly happy when I can spend time with them and we've done several things together as a family that have gone well. Part of me is being selfish, but another part wants to be there for my children, and for my wife.
Do you make her feel like she comes in 2nd like it feels in your post?

Your kids are almost grown and you are already out of the house. Don't do it for the kids. Your kids need stability and a good role model. If you want your marriage, do the work.


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Originally Posted by believer
It's interesting that your parents are appalled at what SHE has done. They're not appalled at your behavior?

Parents are not as likely to see the faults in their own child. When I told them I was having an affair and I wanted to leave my wife I unloaded 17 years worth of marital problems that I had never told them about before. Probably so that I could feel justified about what I was doing. They were shocked... always thought that I had been happy. As it turns out, they have had serious problems with my wife that no one ever told me about. Fights on the phone, confrontations, etc.

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Well I can only tell you from my experience. Neither my husband or myself have had an affair (at least not that I know of) but we are in trouble. We have been doing a lot of talking and trying to figure out what is going on and what we are going to do. For now, since I am a stay at home mom and don't have any money I can't go any where right now. But I am also waiting for my husband to come around, I believe that he does still love me. So talk to her. Tell her exactly how you feel. Make sure that she tells you the same. Give each other the chance to get your feelings out. And be as truthful as you can be.

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Originally Posted by stillstanding2
Originally Posted by Fred-J
Originally Posted by stillstanding2
Did you try to follow the Marriage Builders program or just expect your wife to?


I did follow the program and I still have all of the notes I made... lists of my love busters, etc. She finally looked at the website after about six months of my asking her to (not pushing her too hard) and said the ideas looked good, but they wouldn't work for us. Was she still foggy? Can you try again? Maybe... I'm willing to try
Originally Posted by stillstanding2
Maybe you need to let the fog of your affair clear a little bit before you go home to save money, your credit rating, and your commute to visit your kids. Sorry, I am being so brutal to you but your post is so selfish. Can you see that?
I think the kids would be better with me back at home. They are clearly happy when I can spend time with them and we've done several things together as a family that have gone well. Part of me is being selfish, but another part wants to be there for my children, and for my wife.
Do you make her feel like she comes in 2nd like it feels in your post?

Your kids are almost grown and you are already out of the house. Don't do it for the kids. Your kids need stability and a good role model. If you want your marriage, do the work.

Even more to think about... thank you. If I do go back, I don't think either of us will take the other for granted again.

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Being willing to try is where it starts... Welcome back.


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Ten to one your parents don't know about your affair.


One year becomes two, two years becomes five, five becomes ten and before you know it, you've wasted your whole life on a problem you can't solve. That's one way to spend your life. -rwinger

I will not spend my life this way.
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