We could always look at the massive effort it took to allow women to vote in America. Or the laws that had to change around the world before women were allowed to own property, who were literally invisible in their families as the men inherited everything. Or the American Indian women who were sent out to die when their husbands died because they were deemed valueless. Or the terrorists who are going around behind us in Afghanistan tearing down all the schools we built for the girls.

Women succeeded, but they had to be careful about it. Has anyone read The Dollhouse (Ibsen)? Very good commentary on this subject.

But we should probably get back to the real topic.:)

Show me a woman who blames her failure to achieve on some MAN not giving her something ["permission" "money" bank loans," etc] and I will show you a PHONY. I will show you a weak woman who is not an EQUAL. Would we allow a MAN to get away with that blameshifting?? What if Einstein invented NOTHING because his WIFE would not "allow" him to invent the light bulb? Wouldn't that be ridiculous?

A real feminist believes she is EQUAL and gets it done on her own. She is not some half baked fool who can't make it unless a MAN gives her something. Nothing equal about that. I have no use and no patience for self appointed victims. They are not heroines and not feminists, they are cry babies.

I agree, women are definitely not weak. I'm so grateful that I live in the time and society that I do.

ouchthathurt,

I will agree that I am constantly thinking that this needs to be done and this kid needs this before he/she goes to bed or school, etc. And, you're right. The hubby never gets up during commercials to help out. He doesn't even notice messes or the trash until I point it out.
LOL.

Why do men break wind more than women?

- Because women can't shut up long enough to build up the pressure.



Why do men die before their wives?

- They want to.


Have a good night all!

LG, I'll be on the look out for your response.

I think this is an admission that women were at one time NOT EQUAL. Many CHOSE to be weak and inept. They sat around and WAITED to be given PERMISSION unlike MEN. However, WOMEN are responsible for those choices, not men. Men did not sit around and cry victim waiting for someone to GIVE THEM something as many women have.

Where would our country be today if MEN had sat around waiting for PERMISSION from someone? C'mon, people. To say that women needed permission and men didn't is an admission of WEAKNESS. It is an admission of INEQUALTY.

Nor have pioneering women sat around and cried victim waiting to be given something they did not earn. They didn't have time to cry, they went out and farmed, started companies, changed laws, started banks, built bridges, bought and sold land. They didn't sit home and caterwaul waiting for some man to give them "permission" to do something.

My greatgrandmothers died millionaires and they didn't get that money from feminazis in combat boots or from crying victim. No one gave them "permission." They got it from simple hard work and SHREWDNESS. They didn't wait for some Poppa Daddy to come give them PERMISSION. They just went out and did it. I have alot of faith in my MOST OF my fellow women, and many of us truly ARE EQUALS. We didn't blame "society" or "MEN" for our choices.

oops!! I never was good at SCIENCE!!

Its not my fault, I was oppressed!! The MAN was keeping me down!! They didn't teach science to we little gals back in 1929!

Mel<---sorta likes dat game!

But I'm assuming they were still turned away at the voting booths, if they were in America.

IMPORTANT TIP for Mel

Who GAVE women voting rights? And who GAVE them to men?

I just wonder who gave MEN permission to vote?

The men who fought the wars, signed the treaties, and wrote the Constitution.

Who gave THEM permission? Who gave them permission to "fight wars, sign treaties, and write the Constitution?"

catperson, do you have your husband's permission to be on the computer this late?

Mel, we've already had the Women's Lib movement. No need for permission any more, lol.

Interesting apropos story:

Many people working on women's issues in Afghanistan agree: to empower women, you first need to enlist the men.

That was a very interesting read, catperson. It makes me even more grateful for the freedoms that we have here.

Hopefully their women's rights movement will come to fruition.

I hope you gals have permission from your MEN to be up this late!