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Hi I'm new here. I hope I can join you all here.
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So a few months back my DP of 3½ years is in a terrible midlife "crisis". He had cut of all contact with his parents and brother almost one year ago - they are really abusive and toxic. He is turning 40 and has always suffered from anxiety - health anxiety. He is sometimes afraid of specific diseases and he is in general afraid of getting older and eventually dying.

We have been talking about having a child and living together for a long time. He is afraid of having another child as he was quite anxious when his first son was born, afraid of all the common child diseases etc. He changed his mind about having a child and we started to fight more - I felt he had been lying to me because he was the one to want a baby for the first 2½ years and planted the idea in my mind so to speak.

And so he creates an online dating profile. He emails with 3-4 women but he doesn't want to meet up (because he doesn't want to break up with me). They write a few emails to each other non-flirting that is. That is "all" that happened. I don't think he has the emails. He deleted them but I absolutely believe him when he says they weren't flirting or planning to meet up. He was feeling awful at the time because of the situation with his parents, and other kinds of stress in his life. I think he was merely looking because it was too hard to deal with the situation he was in with me. He felt like I was blaming him all the time - which I was because he wasn't being very nice at the time due to his personal crisis - and he felt the need to create a distance by trying to make him self believe that he could move on with someone else.

I found out and broke up with him. After two weeks with no contact he contacts me and we decide to get back together and it's been really great these last two months. He has changed his mind about living together and having a baby and he is being very loving and doing everything he can to show me how much he wants us to stay together. We are living together half of the time and it feels great for everyone involved.

BUT then a week ago I started to feel really intense anger. I'm angry about the fact that he lied/didn't tell me. I'm angry that the naive and beautiful trust I always had in him has been broken. I don't want sex (it's affected by trust I think)- I normally want to DTD daily. I sometimes lash out at him and say something really mean or low. My self esteem has been badly affected. I feel ashamed thinking that I wasn't enough for him. I'm so ***** angry and I'm shocked that those feelings are so powerful. We have talked about it I've written him a long list of everything that saddens or angers me and we had a great talk.

I just don't know how to process the anger or sadness when it comes. I want to forgive him eventually but can I? Is it possible to have a good relationship and not forgive? I really don't doubt that I want to be with him.

I want to do counseling - starting with individual counseling but I feel really ashamed and embarrassed that it even happened. My self esteem has been crushed and I hate to admit that too.

During the last few days I have been feeling worse and worse. I need to ask you all how bad what he did to me is??? It's not that I doubt my right to these feelings but I'm so filled with rage and sorrow ("blaming" him and bringing it up several times a day by email, phone or texts on friday and saturday) I feel like I'm drowning. I really need to know if this degree of rage is "justified" and "normal"?

Oh yes. I feel so stupid and weak for "accepting his behavior". Probably even more so because I'm a psychologist myself. I feel like I should be wiser and have a better relationship. (All though I know it didn't have much to do with me at all). I guess that is another thing I feel ashamed of, that I did take him back, and it causes so much doubt which again is not exactly facilitating healing and rebuilding of the relationship. I feel like I go back and forth between feeling like he is a wonderful partner and that he is awful and I need to leave him. Of course it affects our interactions too.

We both do want it to work. What have been hard the last month is that we cycle up and down having a four or five wonderful days and then two or three really awful days. I think we both really want peace and love because we both had our sense of security broken. We have always been best friends and it makes the fear of loosing each other even worse.

He is taking responsibility for it and I do know it won't happen again. He is just as shocked by his own actions as I am. He has been great and very caring and I would love to pay back by letting my actions come from a place of love and trust in our future. (However, he did have enough of me bringing it up constantly and did start to show some when will you get over it-behavior - which was hurtful to me).

It's just so hard whenever something triggers these feelings. And it actually feels like any other kind of trauma where memories get triggered by some kind of external or internal stimuli. It's hard because I feel like I have little to no control. So right now we are talking about how I can express anger and sorrow in acceptable ways. I have been too hard on him a couple of times and it does no good. I'd much rather be loving towards him and just deal with the negative stuff on my own.

Sorry that was long! Thank you if you made it so far!

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Are you married?


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No - we are not married. why do you ask?

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Originally Posted by deRosa
No - we are not married. why do you ask?

BEcause there is a world of difference between a dating situation and a marriage. It is monumental. The concepts we use here are designed to help marriages and wouldn't be of much help to you.


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Not married and no children...I'd be all over plans F & G


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I would also add that dating is supposed to be a job interview for marriage. If your potential mate fails the job interview, then he wouldn't make a good candidate for marriage. This guy, clearly, would not be a good marriage choice. And please don't delude yourself into thinking you can change him, you can't.

My suggestion would be to accept that this would not be a good match and move on.


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Originally Posted by deRosa
No - we are not married. why do you ask?
Why does she ask? Because this site is called Marriage Builders! Surely you read the sign on the door?

If you are not married, why did you post to a site designed to help marriages?



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Hi,

You have been betrayed so your feelings are normal. Counseling is a good idea, it will help you. I did that for a while, too.

Triggers are awful...it took me a LONG time to get over those. I decided to meet them head-on and that helped a lot.

You can come here and vent and it helps, too.

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Originally Posted by SugarCane
Originally Posted by deRosa
No - we are not married. why do you ask?
Why does she ask? Because this site is called Marriage Builders! Surely you read the sign on the door?

If you are not married, why did you post to a site designed to help marriages?

Wow! That was a little rough! What gives?

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holy cow. This is not a loving and supportive site. I'm horrified.

But Charlotte - thank you very much for your support.

I post here because I consider my long term relationship very very important. It's not a dating situation. We also do have a blended family and live together half of the time. I plan to be with him for the rest of my life just as much as I would have if we were married. So I came here looking for advice and support. As you all know walking out on a cheating partner would often seem easier. Forgiving and working on the relationship is hard. That is why I came.

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I feel so stupid and weak for "accepting his behavior". Probably even more so because I'm a psychologist myself. I feel like I should be wiser and have a better relationship.

You should be wiser and have a better relationship. If you are a psychologist, I'm wonder why you don't see the writing on the wall here.


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black_raven: are you trying to be compassionate and give me support and advice or are you trying to be hard on me?

And what writing on the wall are you referring to?

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Originally Posted by deRosa
holy cow. This is not a loving and supportive site. I'm horrified.

deRosa, my posts were supportive. They might not have been what you wanted to hear, but living together is not the same as marriage. There is a world of difference. It is a dating situation and is in no way a committment.

You might want to check out some of Dr Harley's articles about living together. He really does make a lot of sense:

"In my experience and in reports I've read, the chances of a divorce after living together are huge, much higher than for couples who have not lived together prior to marriage. If living together were a test of marital compatibility, the statistics should show opposite results -- couples living together should have stronger marriages. But they don't. They have weaker marriages.

To understand why this is the case, I suggest that you consider why couples who live together don't marry. Ask yourself that very question. Why did you choose to live with your boyfriend instead of marrying him?

The answer is that you were not ready to make that commitment to him yet. First, you wanted to see if you still loved him after you cooked meals together, cleaned the apartment together and slept together. In other words, you wanted to see what married life would be like without the commitment of marriage.

But what you don't seem to realize is that you will never know what married life is like unless you're married. The commitment of marriage adds a dimension to your relationship that puts everything on its ear. Right now, you are testing each other to see if you are compatible. If either of you slips up, the test is over, and you are out the door. Marriage doesn't work that way. Slip-ups don't end the marriage, they just end the love you have for each other.

What, exactly, is the commitment of marriage? It is an agreement that you will take care of each other for life, regardless of life's ups and downs. You will stick it out together through thick and thin. But the commitment of living together isn't like that at all. It is simply a month-to-month rental agreement. As long as you behave yourself and keep me happy, I'll stick around.

Habits are hard to break, and couples that live together before marriage get into the habit of following their month-to-month rental agreement. In fact, they often decide to marry, not because they are willing to make a lifetime commitment to each other, but because the arrangement has worked out so well that they can't imagine breaking their lease, so to speak. They say the words of the marital agreement, but they still have the terms of their rental agreement in mind.

Couples who have not lived together before marriage, on the other hand, have not lived under the terms of the month-to-month rental agreement. They begin their relationship assuming that they are in this thing for life, and all their habits usually reflect that commitment.

The Policy of Joint Agreement, for example, doesn't make much sense for a couple living together prior to marriage. "Never do anything without an enthusiastic agreement between you and your friend," it is thought, would not be a fair test of your compatibility. A better test would be for each of you to do whatever you please, and then see if you still get along.

But a newly married couple makes a deliberate effort to accommodate each other, because they know their relationship will be for life. They want to build compatibility, not test it. So the Policy of Joint Agreement makes all the sense in the world to a couple who has set out to live their lives together.

It's true, that a couple who lives together can follow the Policy of Joint Agreement from the day they move in. They can commit themselves to each other's happiness as if they were married. They can overcome Love Busters that could destroy their love for each other. But couples who live together tend not to do those things because their month-to-month rental agreement does not demand it. They lack motivation to put each other first in their lives because they are testing the relationship. They're not sure they want each other for life, and so they are usually not willing to make the all-out commitment that the Policy of Joint Agreement demands.

When a couple has lived together without the Policy of Joint Agreement, it's very difficult to apply it once they are married. What they usually do is stay the course. They figure that their month-to-month agreement got them that far, so why change it.

Marriage has a very positive effect on a relationship for those who have not lived together, because they tend to follow the Policy of Joint Agreement without having ever heard of it. They know that they will be together for life, so they make an effort to create a compatible lifestyle from day one.

But marriage has a very negative effect on those who have been in the habit of following the month-to-month agreement. The commitment of marriage is seen as the "other guy's" commitment. Those who have lived together prior to marriage feel that their own behavior has passed the test, and any further accommodation should be unnecessary. Worse yet, they think they don't need to be on their best behavior because their spouse can't leave now that they're married.

Habits are hard to break, and those who have lived together develop habits that work only when they're not married. Marriage ruins it all."

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I'm trying to be supportive. I realize you are hurting but you are not married to this man and have no children with him. I advise others in your situation the same. Given what I know today, if I were in your shoes I'd move on.

The writing on the wall is your BF is willing to cheat and you can say he is committed but the truth is he isn't. Why would you risk bringing a child into this situation? Why isn't he with the mother of his son? You don't have a blended family. His family is not your family. I find it odd that you are a psychologist and don't see these things.


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Melodylane: I don't agree- I have been married to the bio father of my seven year old. We were married for 7 years.

The relationship I'm in now is much more committed. My SO is very important to my son - that makes it a blended family in my opinion. His ex wanted a divorce. He has never been unfaithful to anyone.

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Originally Posted by deRosa
Melodylane: I don't agree- I have been married to the bio father of my seven year old. We were married for 7 years.

The relationship I'm in now is much more committed.

Then why aren't you married?


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deRosa, why did your marriage break up?


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