NJ,

I'm not saying they are the same, but I didn't claim that women are defective (as you claimed about men). Are men and women the same, no they are different. Are men superior to women? Are women defective? I don't know and I'm not making claims about that. When I pick people for my rugby team I pick the biggest people. That is usually men but does include some tough women.

I certainly see a fair number of WW's on these boards, and I have met a ton of con-women while doing legal work. I meet alot of people in that environment and I have not noticed a strong moral difference between the sexes.

You actually claimed that women are more honest in response to a man whose WW has repeatedly lied to him in horrendous ways.

So the "sexist garbage" was about the claim that men are defective because they are not women and can't grow babies inside them. Seems kind of freudian to me but in reverse.

It is possible that we try to assess gender for more sexual reasons than some cultural bias. I usually try, but don't always succeed, to avoid prejudice based on the small number of people I have met. Humans (both sexes) are really really good at seeing examples that prove their prejudice and forgetting those that go against it. Read "The Black Swan" if you want a fairly boring discussion of the effect.

Just to be clear, I think that when one makes a claim like the one that women are essentially more honest than men. Then they have taken on the burden of convincing others. If I say, I don't know or don't believe the claim, then I should not have to provide data to refute a theory like that. I'm saying I have not seen this in my life, so it is hard to believe and it seems like a prejudice to me.

Nor true but still...just an opinion.

NJ,

I completely agree with you on this, after all I am a devout atheist. Of course, that does not mean that all distasteful or impolite opinions ARE true, either.

Just saying be careful when you look to prove a bias, you will find it if you look for it. I've done a fair amount of statistical studies, and it is very, very difficult to remove bias. So I try to remove it from my own opinions, and it is difficult to do.

I still find myself thinking that women are shorter than men on average.

6,
That's because you're 6' 4

GG

6YL,

Well you are 6'4", which would give you more insight as to the state of baldness of the tops of mens heads, which might lead to a prejudice about the relative lack of baldness amongst women.

Supposedly male chimps and male humans are more similar than male humans and female humans, but I don't know by what methodology that was determined, or even if it was misreported.

Guess that might be the source of the joke about why men have brains bigger than dogs, so they won't hump womens legs at parties.

I do understand the frailty of most knowledge btw, and I like the quote all science is physics or it is stamp collecting.

I've also heard that many people are born when they are rather young.

NJ

Based on my experience, there are just as much con-women as there are con-men - they're just better at it.

based on my experience I agree. Women are more like cats, aloof. Men are more like dogs. We run to you and lick your face and come when called and do tricks...

Again, just my experience. Please, I know this is not a universal truth, just my experience so save the flames...

I echo the above. My xWW told a MOUNTAIN of lies to me, our family, our friends, our MC, and on and on. She told lies that would have made it impossible for me to sleep at night or look myself in the mirror had they been mine...and then went right on manipulating, evading, scapegoating, blame-shifting, finger-pointing, rationalizing, and lying all the more even when caught red-handed. She would have choked her own mother had she stood in the way of her affair...and very nearly did to her father and my parents when they did so--the only thing that stopped her was physical distance.

Please don't tell me that "women are more naturally honest"....BS

I do think something changes in most women when they become mothers but don't think that has anything to do with why men embellish stories. As 6yl said it's likely moreso for entertainment purposes.

No wars if men could have babies? No way. Have you seen the stupid stuff women fight about? LOL

I'm female and I think women are naturally more manipulative...one of the reasons I prefer to work with men.

NJ,

Stats from the tall guy say that men are bald and women dye their hair. Oh and I don't know any women who are my height. My own statistical failing as a human brain is that I usually think of myself as the tallest man in any group, when I'm really only at 95 percentile.



Gabe

NJ,

But making up statistics definitely makes your statements untrue and surely not based on anything but bias on your part.

Women con men, men con women. You are a woman, hence you will meet more con MEN. DUH!!

That piece of "logic" is very bit as sound as your bias.

JL

Blackraven,
I'm with you that one - I prefer to work with men. I worked with 14 women in one department and it was awful.

6,
Sorry mentioning your height - if it makes you feel any better - I'm 5' 3" and think I'm always the shortest one in the room. And being the average height of is 5' 7" then maybe I am the shortest one?? Good thing for heels.

GG

gg,

No worries on the height thing. I do identify with the tall thing, now if only I had nice dark brown hair instead my dirty blond curls, then I could have the tall dark and sort-of handsome thing going.

Oops. That was meant for another forum.