I agree. Look how many BS change for the better inside and out. I am 47 pounds lighter (and counting ), have my hair long and highlighted, go to the gym, and working on myself spiritually and mentally because of this fiasco.

I was the frumpy, fat girl and I have evolved. I know that everytime XH sees me I can see the ?? in his eyes "who is this woman" in a good way. I act as if I am a Goddess and one day I will be.

I did see the final show and I actually cried when Kate was speaking. Was she controlling -- absolutely but when you have 8 kids you need to be organized and she was up for the challenge. Jon went along with it all till he turned wayward. They both made mistakes but instead of working things out he went out and had a MLC.

Jon is full blown wayward. I got sick when he said he had an apartment in NYC (3 hours away) and it was a good place to hide out when he needed to be away from the family (what a turd). He still believing in the fantasy. When is he going to get a real job.

I too wanted to throttle him when he got angry at his daughter and punished her for saying it was better with Mom. He totally lost it and acted like a jerk. He kept calling them bratty and spoiled. Definitely not father of the year.

Gosh, Hope I didnt know you went thru this transformation good for you! Unfortunately I went from the one who turned every guys head to the frumpy fat girl...I think I took your 47 pounds Hope, well thanks a lot!

And I totally agree with you on what you think of Jon and Kate thats exactly how I see it too...

There are rumors flying everywhere that she is wayward, too. An affair with her bodyguard. Of course, she's denying it.

Even if she didn't have an affair with him, I think it is indisputable that she traveled around the country for days with this bodyguard and without her husband, marketing herself, doing book signings, etc. They stayed in the same hotels, spent lots of time together, dinner, lunch, long plane flights, etc. Lots of opportunity.

How stupid is that?

Lots of opportunities, but that doesnt mean she was a wayward...its funny how you really dont hear much about that anymore...I think it is because it wasnt true, just Jon sayin "look shes cheatin too" so he didnt look bad...

All I know is it seems to me she is willing to work on the M and Jon is too busy with his girlfriend to even consider it...

All the pictures of her I see now are with her kids or alone....Jon is splattered everywhere and even on tv with his mistress....

I wonder why he feels the need to keep sayin...all I care about is my kids, everything I do is for my kids...seems to be an awful lot of justifying goin on on his end...

HOW ABOUT WORKIN ON YOUR MARRIAGE "FOR YOUR KIDS"....sorry got a little carried away on that one...

Also sometimes I think Kate gets a little bit of a bad rap....like they were calling her controlling when it was Jons day to have the kids and he left them with the babysitter(or his girlfriend I forget which) to go do something...well Kate was upset and said If the kids are not with Jon and are with some babysitter down the street I want them here with me....

One, yeah maybe she was wrong, IDK...all I know is I would have felt the same way as her, it must be hard to know your kids are with a complete stranger when they could be with their mother...I felt bad for Kate..I dont think it was a control issue on her part. It just must have been hard for her.

Two, it shows me that on her day without the kids she was not out gallavanting with some guy...she wanted to have her kids and spend time with them...

Maybe, others see it differently, or I am missing something but that is just how I feel...

My WH is right up there with Jon. He wears Lucky Brand clothes instead of the Ed Hardy stuff Jon wears. And he has no patience with our teenagers. He does not talk with DS, communicates via text messaging with DDs, and believes he's still deserving of RESPECT no matter how immature he acts. He spends on his mistress and wants a life free of responsibilities chosing Vegas over France like Jon did.

Waywards who treat their own flesh and blood this awful are the worst kind of waywards. Treating their spouse bad is a given, but the kids....

Jon is looking for HIS 15 minutes of fame. But his "fame" will likely be the same shared by Joey Buttafucco and Bobbett and others who end up as topics of standup comics or porn stars or media hogs who will not go away.

No one likes them but they don't realize it.

Jon is a turd but so is his wife. You must not have watched the show enough she has been mean to the kids at different times during the show.



I am sure this part must have been a joke right? I have seen women do far worse things to men and their kids. Just to give you a little treat on what a peach my mom was she took off with her OM and deserted my family. We were very poor at the time and had almost no money.

I will never forget my Dad sitting their crying and I went up to him and tried to comfort him (I was 5). I told him thats ok dad we will be fine without her. I remember telling him I don't miss her she was a mean mommy. He tried to smile and told me he loved me.

What I did not know is even though we were very poor my mom took every penny out of the bank and left with the OM. This was in the 60's and I found out years later that is the reason why my dad was crying. He did not know how he was going to feed his kids. The guy was such a kind hearted man who had a wife that sucked the life out of him.

So anyway that is what my WW mom was willing to do. Leave her family and oh yea they could starve for all she cared. But again I am guessing you were not serious with your comment.

I'm no Kate fan, but that was beyond harsh.....Sorry, but NO ONE deserves to have their spouse cheat on them...that was a cruel slap in the face from one who knows the pain of betrayal.....

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It must be some kind of disease...its just sooo unbelievable...what the he77 is goin on?

....Well my WH still wears the same crappy eighties clothes that he always did....but I hate to say it he is soo buff and good looking he could walk around in a paper sack (ba$[censored],UGHHHH) and he never thought he was that good lookin and I think my WH is still to cheap, even to buy new clothes....It would be a cold day you know where before my WH spent that much on a tee shirt...

I just dont see how OW puts up with his cheapness and boringness...I loved that about him though(well maybe not so much the cheapness) Okay I have wandered into a whole nuther subject here...Ahem.

[/quote]I will never forget my Dad sitting their crying and I went up to him and tried to comfort him (I was 5). I told him thats ok dad we will be fine without her. I remember telling him I don't miss her she was a mean mommy. He tried to smile and told me he loved me.

What I did not know is even though we were very poor my mom took every penny out of the bank and left with the OM. This was in the 60's and I found out years later that is the reason why my dad was crying. He did not know how he was going to feed his kids. The guy was such a kind hearted man who had a wife that sucked the life out of him.

So anyway that is what my WW mom was willing to do. Leave her family and oh yea they could starve for all she cared. But again I am guessing you were not serious with your comment.

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Omg, Ihadenough, that is heartwrenching, i am so sorry you and your dad went through that....I just makes me think of my six year old consoling me when I was crying about WH....It kills me that he had to go through that, but I just could not control my crying.....Parents, moms or dads can be horrible.

And if that was karma for Kate's plastic surgery or her general behaviour, then all of our betrayals must have been karma too.

Yes, I think you're missing something. Mainly that every time you see Kate, it's a carefully calculated appearance designed to invoke sympathy in order to help her "business."

The Unreal Rise of Jon and Kate Gosselin

PM, ...... They all knew and agreed that I deserved an "L" on my forehead.

Did you see the show when she showed what her stomach looked like after she gave birth to the 6 children????

If EVER a woman deserved/needed a tummy tuck it was Kate.

As far as her boob job and bleached hair goes.. how is that wrong? Isn't staying attractive for our H's meeting an important EN of theirs?

Kate had her flaws, but she certainly didn't deserve to be cheated on.

As you know, M is hard enough, but throw in 8 small children into the mix and one cannot image the pressure/stresses their M was under.

She is the one w/ the stronger character. When the going got tough, Jon checked out. Kate did not.

We can all see how out of control Jon is without Kate's guidance. She obviously kept him focused and grounded whether he asked for it or not. And now he's rebelling like a high lunatic without Kate in his life.

No different than most of the waywards on this board. No different than MY wayward.

Of course he's going to blame controlling Kate. Hope's WH blames Hope, and ChaiLover's WH blames ChaiLover, etc.

Same script... different characters.

Here's a video of what her stomach looked like---> CLICK HERE

I agree.

It's just magnified b/c they have so many little ones. It was pretty easy to see this coming though. Way too many children, and no knowledge of MB principles.

It's such a pity... very heartbreaking.

I don't believe this.

If it were true, Jon would have said so. The first thing a wayward does is try to justify their waywardness. He's said alot of things, but he never said Kate wanted out of the M before he began cheating.

In fact, he denied most of his running around until he couldn't anymore.

No moreso than women, assuming you even believe in MLC, which is a load of bs, IMO. Jerks are jerks regardless of age or gender.