Did you see the finale?
As dad was making posters with kids, one of the older twins said "I like the stuff we do with Mommy better".

He grabbed the marker out of her hand, and told her "she was done" and she had to leave the group. The tearful twin got up from the table and said, "Don't finish my poster!" and her father quipped "Your poster is going into the garbage."

Was he always like this?

I can't believe a WW parent could take things out on a child like this...

I hear the possible rumble of avalanche in the distance...

Maybe he should sue TLC...this is certainly their fault too.

My FWH came home with some t-shirts that look like the crap Jon wears. I told him whenever I saw him wearing them, all I thought about was how men become total losers in their MLC affairs. It was more than a trigger for me. I'm actually glad he wears them--makes lose more respect for him.

I hear ya - I got a $100 Kohls giftcard the other day and went shopping. I'll be 35 in January - me thinks I'm a little too old for the skater look. John definately looks rediculous. When I go out, I'm more of a button down shirt / jeans kind of guy or nice shirt and slacks.

Was he always this thoughtless about/to his children?
Obviously, in a D or S, kids may feel the need to protect one or the other parent.

He should understand this, no? MLC? Dumb as a box a rocks?

MrW, you probably said this "tongue in cheek" but for those who didn't know....he has filed a $5M lawsuit against TLC.

Surely someone else is to blame!

I think he doesn't give himself enough credit. He did this all by himself!

We should all send him an angry letter...

Is he working? Bet he'd be paying child support out the a**.

I don't know much about the sitch, but I know I was appalled reading all the stuff about how "mean" Kate was after the A came out. Like that makes it okay for him???? And I think he deserves to have his crap spread all over TV. It's part of the consequence. I also wouldn't be surprised if he's NOT working - doesn't seem like the work type.

I'm so glad I don't watch this show.

The clip about him 'dissin his kid is on quite a few sites today. I do not watch the show, either. I know who they are.

I've pretty much avoided their story everywhere it appears, on purpose. It makes me a little sick to think about what they are doing to those poor kids. I think this kind of exploitation should be illegal.

Biggest wayturd dad of all time.

I would have to say that I deserved the honors in 07.

I felt that I needed a branding iron with a capital L stamped into my forhead. So.... I had one designed and made last year. Gave it to my wife for Christmas with a reminder that she can use it on my forhead anytime she desires.

It was either that or design and make a collectors edition Ginsu Knife with the engraved signature of Lorena Bobbit.

She liked the Branding Iron!

>She liked the Branding Iron!


That's cos I made her an honorary Texan.

I think the kids would be better off if they were adopted out and the new parents were sworn to secrecy never to exploit the kids again. As it is, they are all permanently damaged by BOTH parents. And I'm no fan of TLC for taking advantage of the sitch.

She is not only a SexyMamaBear, she is a Sexy Cowgirl as well!

But the Branding Iron did make her smile. She uses it as a decoration for the time being.

To me, I feel that Kate did act like a [censored] in the series when her an jon were together....she had 8 kids and liked everything really organized and treated jon like the ninth kid....

Now Jon has turned into a complete [censored] and I am sure he blames Kate for that...He seems to have the worlds biggest chip on hes shoulder and nothing is his fault...

And now Idk if its just because I am a fellow BS but I feel bad for kate...to me she seems to realize she acted like a [censored] and really really regrets it and is hurt by the way Jon is acting now, everytime I see her she is on the verge of tears...She seems like she would love a chance to try and work on things...but Jon is too busy badmouthing her and acting like an 18 year old to care.

But that is JMHO....

No sympathy for Kate as far as raising the kids go. You just look at the before/after photos of her. When those kids were born, they were the center of her life. Now SHE is the center, and the kids are accessories to her book deals, photo shoots, TLC shows, etc.
Yeah, she didn't deserve a cheatin' spouse, but she certainly has been abusive to those kids, too. Simply the lifestyle is abusive.
With her boob job, bleached hair, tummy tuck, wardrobe, personal assistants, etc, she isn't that tired mommy of 8. She's the "STAAAR." I think it's quite ironic that Jon shacked up with her plastic surgeon's daughter. Karma bus, anyone?

LOL, just out of curisotiy Tst... what did you tell the kids it was for?

Maybe she felt jon slippin away and thought that the plastic surgery would help...She does look really different now, but I cant judge that because if I had come into that much money I might have done the same to boost my confidence, esp if I felt my M slipping away...I am not sayin that is right, I am just sayin...

MY son is the center of my life and always has been...it may have been one of the contributing factors to the breakdown of my M....I know now that that is not necessarily a good thing...you need to do things for yourself also....A happy mommy us means happy kiddies...I am just starting to learn this now....

She had the money to do all these things and her kids were not suffering moneywise from it...she may have needed a self confidence boost...so I say more power to her...

I agree. Look how many BS change for the better inside and out. I am 47 pounds lighter (and counting ), have my hair long and highlighted, go to the gym, and working on myself spiritually and mentally because of this fiasco.

I was the frumpy, fat girl and I have evolved. I know that everytime XH sees me I can see the ?? in his eyes "who is this woman" in a good way. I act as if I am a Goddess and one day I will be.

I did see the final show and I actually cried when Kate was speaking. Was she controlling -- absolutely but when you have 8 kids you need to be organized and she was up for the challenge. Jon went along with it all till he turned wayward. They both made mistakes but instead of working things out he went out and had a MLC.

Jon is full blown wayward. I got sick when he said he had an apartment in NYC (3 hours away) and it was a good place to hide out when he needed to be away from the family (what a turd). He still believing in the fantasy. When is he going to get a real job.

I too wanted to throttle him when he got angry at his daughter and punished her for saying it was better with Mom. He totally lost it and acted like a jerk. He kept calling them bratty and spoiled. Definitely not father of the year.

Gosh, Hope I didnt know you went thru this transformation good for you! Unfortunately I went from the one who turned every guys head to the frumpy fat girl...I think I took your 47 pounds Hope, well thanks a lot!

And I totally agree with you on what you think of Jon and Kate thats exactly how I see it too...

There are rumors flying everywhere that she is wayward, too. An affair with her bodyguard. Of course, she's denying it.

Even if she didn't have an affair with him, I think it is indisputable that she traveled around the country for days with this bodyguard and without her husband, marketing herself, doing book signings, etc. They stayed in the same hotels, spent lots of time together, dinner, lunch, long plane flights, etc. Lots of opportunity.

How stupid is that?

Lots of opportunities, but that doesnt mean she was a wayward...its funny how you really dont hear much about that anymore...I think it is because it wasnt true, just Jon sayin "look shes cheatin too" so he didnt look bad...

All I know is it seems to me she is willing to work on the M and Jon is too busy with his girlfriend to even consider it...

All the pictures of her I see now are with her kids or alone....Jon is splattered everywhere and even on tv with his mistress....

I wonder why he feels the need to keep sayin...all I care about is my kids, everything I do is for my kids...seems to be an awful lot of justifying goin on on his end...

HOW ABOUT WORKIN ON YOUR MARRIAGE "FOR YOUR KIDS"....sorry got a little carried away on that one...

Also sometimes I think Kate gets a little bit of a bad rap....like they were calling her controlling when it was Jons day to have the kids and he left them with the babysitter(or his girlfriend I forget which) to go do something...well Kate was upset and said If the kids are not with Jon and are with some babysitter down the street I want them here with me....

One, yeah maybe she was wrong, IDK...all I know is I would have felt the same way as her, it must be hard to know your kids are with a complete stranger when they could be with their mother...I felt bad for Kate..I dont think it was a control issue on her part. It just must have been hard for her.

Two, it shows me that on her day without the kids she was not out gallavanting with some guy...she wanted to have her kids and spend time with them...

Maybe, others see it differently, or I am missing something but that is just how I feel...

My WH is right up there with Jon. He wears Lucky Brand clothes instead of the Ed Hardy stuff Jon wears. And he has no patience with our teenagers. He does not talk with DS, communicates via text messaging with DDs, and believes he's still deserving of RESPECT no matter how immature he acts. He spends on his mistress and wants a life free of responsibilities chosing Vegas over France like Jon did.

Waywards who treat their own flesh and blood this awful are the worst kind of waywards. Treating their spouse bad is a given, but the kids....

Jon is looking for HIS 15 minutes of fame. But his "fame" will likely be the same shared by Joey Buttafucco and Bobbett and others who end up as topics of standup comics or porn stars or media hogs who will not go away.

No one likes them but they don't realize it.

Jon is a turd but so is his wife. You must not have watched the show enough she has been mean to the kids at different times during the show.



I am sure this part must have been a joke right? I have seen women do far worse things to men and their kids. Just to give you a little treat on what a peach my mom was she took off with her OM and deserted my family. We were very poor at the time and had almost no money.

I will never forget my Dad sitting their crying and I went up to him and tried to comfort him (I was 5). I told him thats ok dad we will be fine without her. I remember telling him I don't miss her she was a mean mommy. He tried to smile and told me he loved me.

What I did not know is even though we were very poor my mom took every penny out of the bank and left with the OM. This was in the 60's and I found out years later that is the reason why my dad was crying. He did not know how he was going to feed his kids. The guy was such a kind hearted man who had a wife that sucked the life out of him.

So anyway that is what my WW mom was willing to do. Leave her family and oh yea they could starve for all she cared. But again I am guessing you were not serious with your comment.

I'm no Kate fan, but that was beyond harsh.....Sorry, but NO ONE deserves to have their spouse cheat on them...that was a cruel slap in the face from one who knows the pain of betrayal.....

not2fun

It must be some kind of disease...its just sooo unbelievable...what the he77 is goin on?

....Well my WH still wears the same crappy eighties clothes that he always did....but I hate to say it he is soo buff and good looking he could walk around in a paper sack (ba$[censored],UGHHHH) and he never thought he was that good lookin and I think my WH is still to cheap, even to buy new clothes....It would be a cold day you know where before my WH spent that much on a tee shirt...

I just dont see how OW puts up with his cheapness and boringness...I loved that about him though(well maybe not so much the cheapness) Okay I have wandered into a whole nuther subject here...Ahem.

[/quote]I will never forget my Dad sitting their crying and I went up to him and tried to comfort him (I was 5). I told him thats ok dad we will be fine without her. I remember telling him I don't miss her she was a mean mommy. He tried to smile and told me he loved me.

What I did not know is even though we were very poor my mom took every penny out of the bank and left with the OM. This was in the 60's and I found out years later that is the reason why my dad was crying. He did not know how he was going to feed his kids. The guy was such a kind hearted man who had a wife that sucked the life out of him.

So anyway that is what my WW mom was willing to do. Leave her family and oh yea they could starve for all she cared. But again I am guessing you were not serious with your comment.

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Omg, Ihadenough, that is heartwrenching, i am so sorry you and your dad went through that....I just makes me think of my six year old consoling me when I was crying about WH....It kills me that he had to go through that, but I just could not control my crying.....Parents, moms or dads can be horrible.

And if that was karma for Kate's plastic surgery or her general behaviour, then all of our betrayals must have been karma too.

Yes, I think you're missing something. Mainly that every time you see Kate, it's a carefully calculated appearance designed to invoke sympathy in order to help her "business."

The Unreal Rise of Jon and Kate Gosselin

PM, ...... They all knew and agreed that I deserved an "L" on my forehead.

Did you see the show when she showed what her stomach looked like after she gave birth to the 6 children????

If EVER a woman deserved/needed a tummy tuck it was Kate.

As far as her boob job and bleached hair goes.. how is that wrong? Isn't staying attractive for our H's meeting an important EN of theirs?

Kate had her flaws, but she certainly didn't deserve to be cheated on.

As you know, M is hard enough, but throw in 8 small children into the mix and one cannot image the pressure/stresses their M was under.

She is the one w/ the stronger character. When the going got tough, Jon checked out. Kate did not.

We can all see how out of control Jon is without Kate's guidance. She obviously kept him focused and grounded whether he asked for it or not. And now he's rebelling like a high lunatic without Kate in his life.

No different than most of the waywards on this board. No different than MY wayward.

Of course he's going to blame controlling Kate. Hope's WH blames Hope, and ChaiLover's WH blames ChaiLover, etc.

Same script... different characters.

Here's a video of what her stomach looked like---> CLICK HERE

I agree.

It's just magnified b/c they have so many little ones. It was pretty easy to see this coming though. Way too many children, and no knowledge of MB principles.

It's such a pity... very heartbreaking.

I don't believe this.

If it were true, Jon would have said so. The first thing a wayward does is try to justify their waywardness. He's said alot of things, but he never said Kate wanted out of the M before he began cheating.

In fact, he denied most of his running around until he couldn't anymore.

No moreso than women, assuming you even believe in MLC, which is a load of bs, IMO. Jerks are jerks regardless of age or gender.

Yeah, i kinda think the MLC, is a load of bs, or just an excuse for the wayward.....

I dont think I care what anyone says....what it boils down to to me is....she was bitchy and controlling...she admits it and I think really regrets it....people may think her crying is staged, but I know I cried constantly, nothing stopped me and no situation could control it for me, I just cried and tried not to.

It seem that way with Kate, I mean I know some actresses that need to queue the tears and cant(they have to give them fake tears), Kate will always have the real tears(she would have to be a really good actress to do that).

Yeah she is a little bitchy to her kids sometimes, the camera might just pick those moments and play and play them, I dont have eight kids so I dont feel that I can judge her on that...all I see is that she seems to be with them in all her free time....she may be a little strict and anal but eight kids might drive you mad....

Jon stole all the money from their accout $250,000..drained it and to me Kate sounded as if she was just so betrayed and couldnt beleive that Jon drained the whole account...that was his familys money...and gee what did he spend it on 2000 ed hardy tee shirts? He was ordered to give it all back...

When I see her on tv, being a fellow BS, I understand every word and tear....she seems to mimic what I would say or do.....she keeps saying that Jon was taken over by aliens and this is not the Jon that she once knew..

Yeah, she is far from perfect, I hate to tell you guys this, but so am I.....I made mistakes in my marriage too....Jon took all her controlling ways and obviously never said anything...I mean I saw him just sit there and take it...and instead of saying "Kate stop treating me like a child, I wont stand for it anymore".....He cheated and is still with his same mistress, with a few supposedly thrown in betw....

Everytime Jon opens his assinine mouth, all I hear is "entitled waynerd, waynerd, waynerd"...the same script they all use....I see in his eyes "I am having FUN and no one is gonna stop me"...

His OW even says he has "mantrums" all the time when he doesnt get his way...I saw it come out of her mouth....This sums it all up for me....

I was very serious. I was not talking about Kate, the mom- I was commenting on the behavior I saw dad exhibit, not any one member's family's history.

This guy is not a teenager- or a new parent. He has the benefit of money, advisors and Oprah to advise him how to navigate the divorce.

I have been reading quite a bit about the WW not only abandoning the M, but their parental duties too. Telling BS to "grow up" and deal- while they ignore and act like children to their own kids!

I have heard that Kate is narcistic> sp? too. Face it, she will not make enough $$ to support theses kids working in the healthcare field. He is clueless. Her best shot at supporting those kids is in the entertainment field. (hopefully without the kids involved.)

Yahoo for you!

I will not disrespect any woman about any improvement she makes to/for herself- that includes plastic surgery (except for that cat faced woman)

I would if I could afford it, I understand why other ladies (and men) would want to, too.

Hope- you are working hard and doing things the right way!

My point X actly

I'm probably going to get slapped in the face for this one but...

Have you ever considered that having EIGHT kids can try ones' patience? I have seen cases where Kate too has lost her temper with some of these kids. I don't regularly watch this show as it really just makes me want to puke...even before the A stuff.

I am not defending Jon. I think he's a [censored] myself but he and Kate both exploit these children for monetary gain. I read somewhere that they make 75K PER EPISODE for doing this show.

I think the whole darn thing is just disgusting.

Yes I have seen Kate and Jon both lose there temper with the kids...thats why I just cannot bring myself to judge them too much on their parenting, I only have one child...so no slaps in the face here StillDawn....but I will give you one of these

Thanks Stillhere. I just have one child of my own too. I know that raising ONE child is trying enough at times but having eight of them... It would be like having a day care center to contend with 24/7. I don't think that even a saint could deal with that and not loose it sometimes.
If every couple had 8 kids...geez....

No justifucation for Jon or Kate. They are both seeing nothing but $$$.

I would wager... If the TV show never made it to their door step. They would still be M, parents of 8 kids.

Jon: Mid life crisis/"Ive never had women like this interested in me before! passive agressive.

I see stars "Kate": I've disowned my entire family because no one help to support my big head. With Kate the only way is her way. Everyone else is wrong.

Lets see how long it takes for Kate and Jon to be old news. They will show up on local TV or late night commercials having burned thru all the money.

End result they only ones I feel sorry for, are the kids. The rest is self induced pain.

...2 cents to add.

I had three kids very close together -- stair steps. I had a 2 year old, a one year old and a newborn... three in diapers. Felt like I had triplets. And I worked full time, M-F, 8-5.

WH was helpful, caring, involved.

Fastforward to two years ago -- kids were 14, 15 and 16. Dad has affair and ignores, disrespects, and eventually abandons kids and me.

It wasn't TV or fame or money that did it. It was selfishness. He got tired of the "same old, same old" and wanted a plaything.

And I'm left holding the bag... the kids full-time, the house, the bills, etc. while he continues to play and play and play.

He's not with a plastic surgeon's daughter but he's with a younger woman who pushes the limits -- brings out the FUN in him.

And he did this like Jon did this -- because he KNOWS I will always protect and defend my kids. Just like Kate will always protect and defend her children.

And my WH splews what a great Dad he is... how he will always be there for the kids. Just like Jon does. But Jon will eventually leave those kids... just like my wayward has. Why? Because they will learn the truth... that Dad felt he was entitled to have a life outside of being a father.

And... we all need lives outside of being a parent. But being a parent should be the CORE of our existence. Everything else should evolve around that -- and God.

When you leave behind these basic values, you slide down this slippery slope. Jon left behind these values. I don't believe Kate did. So what she was on the road and pushing her books... no different from other parents who have jobs like this.

But when you do this, you need the other parent to have your back with the kids. And when they stop having your back... the whole family structure collapses.

I never liked the way Kate "seemed" to treat Jon, and sometimes the kids, but I COMPLETELY agree that the cameras VERY MUCH pick and choose and take things out of context to make their "point" much more marketable.

We were on a reality T.V. show once too and let me tell you, how we view reality shows changed DRASTICALLY after that. It's all much more staged than the viewers know, EVERYTHING is done for the camera and so much is taken out of context.

Don't fool yourselves, "reality shows" are not at all what they seem to be. They are very much as scripted as sitcoms and other fictional shows. There is very little "reality" in them.

What's your opinion on the two of them, MF?

I'm not MF, but they are both full blown nucking futz.

That is my professional diagnosis.

he, he, he, hehehe -he!

LOL

Nucking futz!..

Yep, I completely back you up on this HH.... all of it....

Thanks.

It's a Pepism from long ago.

My "opinion" on Kate is that the cameras made sure to ONLY show when Kate was acting very b*tchy ~ obviously, she DID act this way or they would not have caught it on camera when they did, but it's clear that they cut out everytime she WAS nice/fun/silly/whatever in order to uphold her as the "b*tchy wife". I very much doubt Jon would have put up with her treating him like that 24/7. I believe that Jon put her in the "mommy role" towards HIM because he acted like the 9th child. She treated him like the big baby that he is and he allowed it.

My "opinion" on Jon is that he is a childish wimp with no boundaries. He should not have allowed Kate to treat him as she did, but at the same time he should have acted like a MAN and not another child. If he had acted like a mature man with 8 children, he would have commanded the respect that he so badly wanted but never earned. Kate has no respect for him and it's easy to see why.

[I really didn't watch this show much...our 13 year old loved it though so it was inevitably on quite alot and I couldn't help but overhear it. DH can not STAND the show.]

P.S. Hi Marsh!! So glad to see you around! I hope we can catch up on IM some time.

We share the same opinion of them.

Good to see you too, MF! I'll definitely be looking for you on IM, would love to find out which reality show you were on!

I think if the two of them had worked HALF AS HARD on their marriage and their family as they did on exploiting those kids for personal gain, they wouldn't be in this spot today. You look at the before/after shots of these people. They had a chance, until they became money grubbers.
And no, I think Kate is a terrible mother the way she parades those kids around and I think the kids would be better off in foster care. Both of them sicken me. Sorry.

Was their motivation to get involved w/ a reality show to provide a nice living for their very large family? Or was it to "money grub"?

In order for me to believe it was about money grubbing, I'd have to believe they are evil people. That's too much of a stretch for me to make, especially w/ regards to Kate.

If I had 8 kids, my head would have exploded a few times. She is a classic control freak, No, I do not think she wanted to end her family life.
BUT
Like most control freaks, she could not see what everyone else easily could.
As for him, I think he is a typical WW doofus. I hope that if I ever lose my M, my H would be more understanding to our kids.

Saw a repeat of the segment last night with Jon on the Nancy Grace show. He says he wants his kids off TV because he wants to restore "family values." I still can't believe he uses this phrase when he parades around OW when he's not even divorced.

Who da thunk? Jon -- the poster Dad for "Family Values."

I think both of them are clear examples of people ruined by success.

Success often breeds raging entitlement and selfishness. When it does:

Selfish women reward themselves for success with material things and attention.

Selfish men reward themselves for success with sex and attention.

Exactly what these two did.

I think success has ruined more lives than failure ever did, because there's pleny of help for how to handle failure but nobody ever talks about how to handle success.

I guess it's just assumed that success takes care of itself.

It doesn't. It can be just as destructive as failure, or even more so, if the person is not equipped to handle it.

Look around at the many, many actors, sports stars, politicians and even lottery winners who seemed to be decent normal people unti Big Success hit. Then they became drug addicts, alcoholics, adulterers, etc., and often lost it all and/or died far too soon.

And you don't have to be famous to let success ruin you. As I've said before, my XWH's Big Corporate Success absolutely ruined him in every way. He was the poster boy for raging entitlement and selfishness and destroyed his family with that.

Just look around. I'll bet you know plenty of folks ruined by success. You WS may well be one of them.

Just be sure to teach your kids about how to handle success as well as how to handle failure. You'll be glad you did.
Mulan

More fodder for my blog! Hooray!

If anyone deserved to be torn a new one it's him.

Keep an eye on it, if you like, and keep me informed about Jon, I need almost-daily material, haha.

Sure they could have worked harder on their marriage,,,,heck, maybe if I hadn't gained 45 lbs., quit smoking, kept the house cleaner, and prettied myself up once in awhile then that old karmabus wouldn't have come to run me over......

Can't say I agree with this line of thinking at all. Kate gets no prize from me, but having been betrayed, you can bet your bottom dollar that I would NEVER tell a BS that it was just karma......

not2fun

This is why I posted that entry on my blog, haha...Jon needs to be raked over the coals.