I think if the two of them had worked HALF AS HARD on their marriage and their family as they did on exploiting those kids for personal gain, they wouldn't be in this spot today. You look at the before/after shots of these people. They had a chance, until they became money grubbers.
And no, I think Kate is a terrible mother the way she parades those kids around and I think the kids would be better off in foster care. Both of them sicken me. Sorry.

Was their motivation to get involved w/ a reality show to provide a nice living for their very large family? Or was it to "money grub"?

In order for me to believe it was about money grubbing, I'd have to believe they are evil people. That's too much of a stretch for me to make, especially w/ regards to Kate.

If I had 8 kids, my head would have exploded a few times. She is a classic control freak, No, I do not think she wanted to end her family life.
BUT
Like most control freaks, she could not see what everyone else easily could.
As for him, I think he is a typical WW doofus. I hope that if I ever lose my M, my H would be more understanding to our kids.

Saw a repeat of the segment last night with Jon on the Nancy Grace show. He says he wants his kids off TV because he wants to restore "family values." I still can't believe he uses this phrase when he parades around OW when he's not even divorced.

Who da thunk? Jon -- the poster Dad for "Family Values."

I think both of them are clear examples of people ruined by success.

Success often breeds raging entitlement and selfishness. When it does:

Selfish women reward themselves for success with material things and attention.

Selfish men reward themselves for success with sex and attention.

Exactly what these two did.

I think success has ruined more lives than failure ever did, because there's pleny of help for how to handle failure but nobody ever talks about how to handle success.

I guess it's just assumed that success takes care of itself.

It doesn't. It can be just as destructive as failure, or even more so, if the person is not equipped to handle it.

Look around at the many, many actors, sports stars, politicians and even lottery winners who seemed to be decent normal people unti Big Success hit. Then they became drug addicts, alcoholics, adulterers, etc., and often lost it all and/or died far too soon.

And you don't have to be famous to let success ruin you. As I've said before, my XWH's Big Corporate Success absolutely ruined him in every way. He was the poster boy for raging entitlement and selfishness and destroyed his family with that.

Just look around. I'll bet you know plenty of folks ruined by success. You WS may well be one of them.

Just be sure to teach your kids about how to handle success as well as how to handle failure. You'll be glad you did.
Mulan

More fodder for my blog! Hooray!

If anyone deserved to be torn a new one it's him.

Keep an eye on it, if you like, and keep me informed about Jon, I need almost-daily material, haha.

Sure they could have worked harder on their marriage,,,,heck, maybe if I hadn't gained 45 lbs., quit smoking, kept the house cleaner, and prettied myself up once in awhile then that old karmabus wouldn't have come to run me over......

Can't say I agree with this line of thinking at all. Kate gets no prize from me, but having been betrayed, you can bet your bottom dollar that I would NEVER tell a BS that it was just karma......

not2fun

This is why I posted that entry on my blog, haha...Jon needs to be raked over the coals.