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well it gos like this ive been married for 4years and ive done my wife wrong. i cheated multipule times and im tryin to fix my marriage. ineed help on what ppl think would help fix it.


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When was the last time you cheated???

Does your W(wife) know?? About what times??

Who have you cheated with (co-worker, one night stand, friend)??

Were they EA's (Emotional Affairs) or PA's (Physical Affairs)??

People on here are going to need a lot more details im afraid. Also an insight into youer W's behaviour. Has she been faithful? Do you have children?

Basically mate we need to know as much as possible so get writing wink

And please dont try to conceal anything whether you think its relevant or not, just spill the whole truth as users will respect that and be more willing to help.



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Does your BW know about the affair?

Have you answered her questions with the truth?

Is there NC with the OW?

Are you separated from your BW?

Have you learnt to do a plan A?

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Infantryman,

Welcome to MB. I have been reading your wife's posts for many months now. She is a most amazing woman, full of strength and very wise beyond her years. You would be the luckiest man if you are able to rebuild your marriage with her.

I think there are several things you should do. First, read as much as you can here, especially the articles.. Get ahold of Dr. Harley's book, "Surviving an Affair" and read it cover to cover. Also, Dr. Harley has a video. I think it is on here. If you cannot find it it is a 4 part video on utube that you can find by searching for marriagebuillders or infidelity.

Next, do not hang out with the same people in the barracks who encouraged you to party, drink and mess around on your wife. Find some good friends who are morally straight and spend all your free non-work time with them. Find an accountability partner, a male (do I even need to say this cannot be a female?) who will keep you straight and will rat you out to your wife if you even think of straying or starrting to do anything that will further harm your marriage.

Have NO contact (this not only means sex, but conversations, texting, emailing, working with, visually seeing) ANY of your affair partners. If you work anywhere near any of them, go to the command, ask to be reassigned, or whatever you have to do to NEVER see any of them again.

From what has been written before, I believe that your command if fully aware of what you have done. If so, ask for their help in keeping you straight. If not, inform them and ask for the same help.

Be totally transparent with your activities. Anything your wife wants to know, tell her. Whatever she requires to feel safe (I think this is very difficult in your situlation since you are in TX and she in CA), do it.

Address the PTSD from your first deployment. I think it is difficult to find resources to do this while still on active duty, but don't let that put you off. You cannot just ignore this. It will fester and come out in bad ways later. Get in individual counseling or group sessions (I actually think groups are best for addressing PTSD and the VA has the most experience with PTSD). My opinion (I spent the last six years of my army career in charge of medical facilities) is that the active army is happy enough to have soldiers suppress their PTSD and get another deployment out of them. Feel free to read some of my story. My H and I are much older than you, have been married for more than 27 years. However, H has struggled with PTSD since his first deployment to Iraq in 2003 and I think you may see some commonality there.

Good luck to you, Infantryman. I am hoping you are a good guy that has gone very, very wrong and not some POS user. Your wife deserves and should have a wonderful husband, whether that be you or someone else. I will keep an open mind on that one to see if you walk the walk.

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Originally Posted by armymama
Infantryman,

Welcome to MB. I have been reading your wife's posts for many months now.
Who is she?


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Armywifie. She has a post titled something like "how will I know when to end it?"


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Thanks, am.


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Before anything else I would advise which ever of you reads this first (I'll post on your BW thead also) needs to initiate a boundry chat for MB to work.

You MUST both agree to stay off each others threads as otherwise you will both avoid being truly honest on here for fear of hurting othes feelings etc..

If something is written in private and then the next time you two talk that thing is rammed down the other ones throat clearly the trust will go and MB will become either useless or a battle ground.

Also each of you will recieve different advice to suit your needs and direct situation. If you ever speak with Steve Harley you will see he councils seperately to encourage each individual to grow in their journey.

Once again its ESSENTIAL you both commit to staying off each others threads.


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Originally Posted by infantryman
well it gos like this ive been married for 4years and ive done my wife wrong. i cheated multipule times and im tryin to fix my marriage. ineed help on what ppl think would help fix it.

Are you ready to act & speak & think like a loving-loyal-faithful husband?

Here is what my H did.
He said to me:

"I will do whatever it takes for as long as it takes to make this right."

And he backed up those words with actions.

Can you say (everyday) to your W:

"What can I do for you today?"

... and MEAN it

and expect NOTHING in return, for a good while?

6 months to a year of unilateral effort on YOUR part !!!

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well i cheateda a month ago. and they were one night stands that turned into reltionships but i have no conat with the other women and my wife knows evrything that ive done


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Infman,
I have not read your BS thread. Start by doing as others have recommended.

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Four Rules to Guide Marital Recovery
After you are through withdrawal from the addiction to your lover, your depression will have lifted and you will no longer feel a craving to talk to your lover. At that time you will be ready to put into place rules that will guide you and your husband toward a deep love for each other. After you have followed the rules for a while (six months to two years), you and your husband will be soul-mates.

These are the Four Rules to Guide Marital Recovery that you and your husband should follow to help you restore your love for eachother:

1. The Rule of Protection: Avoid being the cause of your spouse's unhappiness.

If you and your husband want to be in love with each other, you must build your Love Bank accounts. But before you build them, you must be sure there are no leaks in the Love Bank. It's pointless to deposit love units into a sieve, where every deposit is promptly withdrawn by a Love Buster. So you must make a special effort to plug up those leaks by committing yourselves to avoid being the cause of each other's unhappiness.

The most obvious things spouses do to ruin their love for each other is what I call Love Busters. They are angry outbursts, disrespectful judgments, annoying behavior, selfish demands and dishonesty. I describe these destructive habits in my basic concepts, but if you need special help learning how to avoid them, I suggest you read, Love Busters: Overcoming Habits that Destroy Romantic Love. This book will help you identify the Love Busters that keep emptying your Love Bank accounts, and show you how to stop inflicting them on each other.

Most of the Q&A columns I've posted on the Marriage Buildersᆴ web site focuses attention on the Policy of Joint Agreement (never do anything without an enthusiastic agreement between you and your spouse). This policy protects both you and your husband from each other thoughtless decisions. Your affair was a blatant example of thoughtlessness on your part because you knew it would hurt your husband, but you went ahead and did it anyway. The Policy of Joint Agreement is a very important guide to helping you keep the Rule of Protection. That's because it helps you realize that anything you do that hurts your husband is off limits to you, regardless of how wonderful it makes you feel.

If you had followed the Policy of Joint Agreement, you would never have had an affair. But the Policy will also help you avoid hurting each other in a host of other ways, too. My book, Fall in Love, Stay in Love, can help you learn how to follow the Policy of Joint Agreement, and use it to negotiate agreements that are fair for both of you. Once you learn to negotiate with each other fairly, you will have learned how to follow the Rule of Protection.

2. The Rule of Care: Meet your spouse's most important emotional needs.

The way to deposit the most love units is to meet a person's most important emotional needs. Your lover did that when he wrote you all those e-mail letters because conversation was your most important emotional need. After one month of filling your Love Bank with thousands of love units that were e-mailed to you, you found him irresistible -- you were in love with him.

Conversation is not your only important emotional need. Affection, recreational companionship, admiration and sexual fulfillment may be some of the other important emotional needs that your lover met. Unless your husband eventually meets your must important needs as well as your lover met them, you will be frustrated and at risk for another affair.

Sometimes a spouse must learn to meet a need that he or she has never been very effective in meeting. Many of the spouses I've counseled have had to learn to be affectionate for the first time in their lives. They also have had to learn to be stimulating conversationalists and skilled lovers. They have had to learn to provide greater financial support, become more effective in their parenting skills and learn to become admiring instead of being critical. New habits that lead to need fulfillment can be learned by anyone. All it takes is a plan and willingness to follow it until expert level is achieved.

But your husband may already know how to meet your emotional needs. An important reason that you had an affair was that your husband's work schedule prevented him from giving you the attention you craved from him. When you and your husband agree to follow this second Rule to Recovery, his work schedule will no longer stand between you, because meeting your needs will become your husband's highest priority. All the needs that your lover was meeting for you will be met by your husband in the future.

If you need help identifying and learning how to meet each other's important emotional needs, I suggest you read, His Needs, Her Needs: Building an Affair-proof Marriage. It describes the ten most important emotional needs for men and women, and how to become an expert at meeting those needs. When your husband has learned to meet your needs, he will be depositing so many love units that his account in your Love Bank will be overflowing. By then, you will be thoroughly convinced that leaving your lover to rebuild your marriage was the right decision to make.

3: The Rule of Time: Give your spouse your undivided attention.

You indicated in your letter that it was the lack of your spouse's attention that drove you into the arms of your lover. But it may have been more a lack of time than a lack of attention. As I already mentioned, your husband may already know how to meet your emotional needs, but unless he sets aside enough time to do it, all of his skill does you no good at all. It's the man who gives you time for undivided attention who will win your heart.

I suggest that you and your husband plan to spend at least 15 hours each week together, giving each other your undivided attention. Use that time to meet each other's emotional needs for affection, conversation, recreational companionship and sexual fulfillment. I have found that if that amount of time is taken to meet emotional needs, you can spend the rest of your 100 waking hours each week doing just about anything you please, without any risk to your love for each other. But if you do not set aside that time, your good intentions will not buy you a single love unit.

Since most everything we do must be scheduled or we don't do it, I suggest you take about a half an hour each week (say, Sunday afternoon from 3:30 to 4:00) to schedule your time together for the next week. Get out your schedules and write each other into your appointment books. Once scheduled, don't let anything interfere with your time together.

I suggest spending the same days and times together every week because it's easier to remember than a new time each week. Besides, you can be better emotionally prepared to be with each other if you always know that Tuesday evening you will be together from 7 to 10.

I also suggest that you spend time together when you have plenty of energy. Don't give each other the leftovers, give each other the best of yourselves. That's why I generally rule out time together after 11:00 pm. For one thing, you need your sleep for the challenges of the next day, and for another, there are not too many people who are at their best that late at night.

Finally, I suggest that you spread your time out every week, giving each other at least one hour of undivided attention every day. I am generally opposed to cramming all of your time together into a marathon weekend of 15 hours, because undivided attention is required, and 15 hours of anything makes undivided attention almost impossible.

4. The Rule of Honesty: Be completely honest with your spouse.

We have already discussed honesty as an extraordinary precaution to prevent you from contacting your lover, so I won't say much more about it. But what you begin as an extraordinary precaution, must become the standard way you and your husband communicate with each other -- with openness and honesty.

You have not been honest with your husband. If you had been honest, you could never have had an affair. Your honesty is your husband's greatest protection because it lets him know what you are up to. It also helps you both make adjustments to each other. Instead of having an affair, you should have told him how unhappy you were with his negligence of you, and how you were falling in love with another man who would give you his time and attention. If you had ended the budding relationship then, and focused on getting more of your husband's undivided attention, you would not have put both of you through such an ordeal.

The Basic Concepts section of this web site contains a section entitled, "the Policy of Radical Honesty." It outlines precisely what the rule of honesty is. It's complete honesty. I want you to read it over very carefully, because it explains precisely how honest you and your husband are to be with each other.

But be careful not to let Love Busters ruin the purity and value of honesty. Keep anger, disrespect and demands out of your honest expression of facts and feelings. If you can do that, you will find your honesty will not only help you find solutions to your problems, but it will also draw you closer together, and help you become the soul-mates that you can be.

If you are willing to permanently end your relationship with your lover (never see or communicate with him again), get through withdrawal, and then you and your husband follow the Four Rules to Guide Marital Recovery, I guarantee you that you will have a great marriage. And I also guarantee you that neither of you will ever suffer through an affair again.


How old are you and BS and do you have kids?

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ok well so far so good im just hopin my wife will know that im bein real with everything im sayin and i know and understand its hard for her and i just wish there was away to show her that ill never hurt her ever again and that she dont have to be scared of me hurting her again.


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Originally Posted by infantryman
ok well so far so good im just hopin my wife will know that im bein real with everything im sayin and i know and understand its hard for her and i just wish there was away to show her that ill never hurt her ever again and that she dont have to be scared of me hurting her again.

Im afraid its not that simple. No one thing will repair the damage you have caused. It will take months maybe longer of you dedicating your life to your M. That means being transparent, disclosing ANY information your W asks for, phone records, emails, details of A's etc.... You will need to reassure her you love her daily and make her feel special again. You took away her feeling of being 'special' and you must now find what you have damaged and repair it.

To be honest you havent said more than a couple of lines so far on your thread so its hard to guage if your doing this because you want advice and want to save your M or whether your doing it as a token gesture to try and earn brownie points???? Just because your W has a thread on here dont assume people dont need to here your side. I for one havent read your W's thread. Im a WH myself and so read yours but im not getting ANY info.

I hope to see you commiting on here soon so people will start to help you.


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Why did you do it?

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Are you dyslexic?

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ok well u wanna know about me well like i said ive cheated on my wife i cant exactly tell why did it but i can tell u this i was drunk everytime it did happen and after wards i fealt like i was lost nd fealt like i didint deserve my wife so after all that i wold try to push myself away cause it was wrong for what i did but she could always see the better part f me and i nver understud that but i love her for it but ive also come to see that even though i did what i did she was still always there and i could never stop thinkin bout her well i dont know exactly what to say but to let that one individual know that im not doin this for brownie point ive just never done anything like this so i dont know what to write


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Infantryman,
It sounds like you have low-self esteem - that you feel you don't deserve the love you get. You are purposely sabotaging your relationship - why?

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Infantryman,

You KNOW what the Army values are. They have been taught to you. Get outside your sorry self-pitying mindset and BE the MAN the values tell you to be. When you do that, you will feel good about yourself.

Have you done ANY of the things that I listed earlier on this thread???? If so, which ones are going ok and which ones do you need help with?

Don't count on your wife being there for you always. With your continued selfish actions, you have pushed her pretty far. She is amazing and IF you were to straighten up your act and win back her love, you would be incredibly lucky.

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Originally Posted by infantryman
i cant exactly tell why did it but i can tell u this i was drunk everytime it did happen
One thing you can and must do immediately is stop drinking.


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exactly- that's one of the EP's my H and I have in place, no drinking unless we are together. He claims to have been drunk every time as well.

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