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no...just the man in south america....but she texts, emails and talks to him. i'm not sure how to stop that without giving an ultimatum...

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You stop it with the stick part of Plan A. Have you considered exposure? Does your WW understand how this has affected you? It seems like she is acting like this is normal behavior and you're going to accept it - just my impression.

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The carrot of Plan A

Meeting your wandering spouse's emotional needs.

Making "home" a warm and inviting place to be.

Placing emphasis on what has worked in the marriage.

Showing consistent self improvement in areas where previously lacking.

Stop lovebusting behaviors.

Communicating with a calm reassuring voice and relaxed body language, even in the center of a verbal storm created by the infidel.

Becoming the person any reasonable spouse would want to come home to.

Remaining open to the possibility of recovery.

Offering forgiveness and understanding.


The stick of Plan A

Exposing adultery where it matters most. Exposure that takes the form of a swift and sudden unexpected tsunami of truth.

Not apologizing for exposure or speaking the truth in a kind yet direct way.

Directly communicating the hurt and devastation that the affair has caused.

Not accepting blame for the infidel's choice to become adulterous.

Let the consequences of adultery and infidelity fall freely upon the heads of the adulterous.

Establishing boundaries that disallow the affair to effect children of the marriage, financal security of the marriage, and otherwise ruin innocent bystanders.

Standing up to infidelity as a beast that must be slayed for the good of the family.


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Plan A is both a *carrot* and a *stick*. Pepperband


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Originally Posted by catperson
You can do such things without being a jerk. Tell her you need to conserve money. Tell her you need to set up better savings accounts, considering the economy. Tell her you want to be a better role model for her son. Be smart about it, but do NOT enable the affair! You can Plan A, not be a doormat, and make it hard to continue the contact all at the same time.

I wouldn't hide the truth of your actions from her. I agree with withdrawing your financial support for anything that enabled the A, but I suggest making very clear the reasons why you're doing so.


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so...while starting plan a , I should expose the affair to family and friends??? i'm pretty sure she's already confided in a close friend ans a few family members. What about the fact that this person is in another country?? Does this affect how i should proceed?? also, doesn't exposing cause her to become inflamed and angry?

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Originally Posted by richs61
so...while starting plan a , I should expose the affair to family and friends??? i'm pretty sure she's already confided in a close friend ans a few family members. What about the fact that this person is in another country?? Does this affect how i should proceed?? also, doesn't exposing cause her to become inflamed and angry?

Yes you want her to get angry - anger leads to conflict and conflict leads to changes. Below is from the Newsletter Forum on Exposure...

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As you already know, I�m a strong advocate of honesty and openness in marriage. I call it transparency�letting your spouse know everything about you, especially your faults. But should that level of openness carry into the public arena? I believe that it should in cases of extreme irresponsibility, and that certainly includes infidelity. When you have done something very hurtful to someone else, others -- especially those who care for you the most -- should know about it. Such exposure helps prevent a recurrence of the offense. Your closest friends and relatives will be keeping an eye on you�holding you accountable.

If exposure of an affair threatens the marriage, should the risk be taken?

I regard infidelity as a violation of the most basic condition of marriage. In most wedding vows, �forsaking all others,� is the only real promise that�s made. When you marry, the overriding condition that is mutually accepted is that you won�t have an affair. When that condition is broken, the marriage is threatened at its very core. That�s why I believe that spouses who have recovered after an affair should make new vows to each other, in effect reestablishing their marriage.

So when a betrayed spouse asks for my advice, I usually take the position that infidelity is the greatest betrayal of all. After an affair, trust -- an essential ingredient in marriage -- is dashed. If the unfaithful spouse is offended by being exposed, so be it. Exposure is very likely to end the affair, lifting the fog that has overcome the unfaithful spouse, helping him or her become truly repentant and willing to put energy and effort into a full marital recovery. In my experience with thousands of couples who struggle with the fallout of infidelity, exposure has been the single most important first step toward recovery. It not only helps end the affair, but it also provides support to the betrayed spouse, giving him or her stamina to hold out for ultimate recovery.


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She could be having an EA with someone on the North Pole. It wouldn't matter - it is still taking away her attention to and love for YOU, and placing it with a third person. There's no room for that in any marriage.

You expose to everyone SHE cares about so that they will let her know (hopefully) how disappointed they are in her. People hate to be told they have disappointed the people they want admiration and respect from.

You expose to everyone HE cares about so that he'll get tired of pursuing your W, as she'll become too much trouble. Once he bows out, she may focus back on you. You, who will be doing an amazing Plan A at the time, and she'll look at you and say to herself 'wow! I don't remember him being that awesome! Maybe he's right for me after all.'

MIM, I suggested that tactic because he was afraid to be seen as doing anything so I was giving him a way to break into being confrontational. Honesty is best, of course, unless you're too afraid to do it, and thus do nothing.

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