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rich here...wife in EA long distance. I'm trying plan a, but she's refuses to talk. I don't know if i should try to force communication(usually a bad idea) or let her alone.She talks about dog, gym, etc... but nothing about us!!! She recently said she wants to be left alone. It's just she and i in the house and at work. The lack of communication regarding US is so hard.!
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Rich What do you know about the EA? Who is the person and what do you know about him? Is OM married, etc.? You need to find out all these things because you need to expose to everyone possible. The A has to be brought out into the light of day and nothing busts up an A better than light exposure.
Perhaps, order the SAA book by Dr. Harley or schedule some counseling time with him?
It seems as if she's pre-occupied about how she can get together with this OM and that is why she doesn't want any relationship talk with you. She's trying to figure out what she wants to do. You know, the old "a problem delayed is a problem denied".
Exposure is your best friend at this point. How does she communicate with this OM? Perhaps install a keylogger on computer or a gps device on vehicle or cell phone records, etc. You need to gather up as much evidence as you can. And, some more details about what's going on would help.
Maybe some of the vets will chime in soon for some more tips. Sorry you find yourself here in this place but it can be a great support.
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i've posted a few days back and gotten some advice..I think it's starting to sink in a bit. This OM is in another country and they have no physical contact but the phone and pc. It is still as bad. BTW...she just made us a shake and said "lets go to the gym and workout together. Then we'll go to Target and get a new bed comforter." ?????? Oh, yes, he is a single male, hispanic as is my wife, no visa to come here. She has not as of yet mentioned going to south america where he is.
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What happend with the pregnancy?
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If she had an abortion yesterday, she must be dealing with a lot of emotions. Either she thought she was aborting your baby, and she did that because she is emotionally involved with another man and at present is ambivalent about you, or she thought she was aborting OM's baby so that you never found out about the PA.
I still believe that the second scenario is what really happened.
Either is a lot to chew on. How do you feel about the abortion?
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Why did she have an abortion? OhmiGod! What an absolute tragedy.
Rich, have you exposed the affair? Exposure is the most potent weapon you have. Additionally, are you willing to live as the 3rd wheel in your marriage? If not, I would get moving on that ultimatum and let her know you won't be man #2 in your marriage.
By cooperating with her affair, you are essentially ENABLING IT and contributing to your own demise. She has no reason to end her affair and would be crazy to give up 2 men meeting her needs.
Does she have her affair conversations in your home? If so, I would ask her to take her adultery elsewhere. That is disrespectful of her to conduct her affair from your home. Women do not respect men they can run over and our love is contingent upon the respect we feel.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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Here's what his first post said: hi. rich here 48. wife 40 m 10 years , together 11. have on stepson 19. wife told me love but not in love. she's strayed i'm sure on occasion last 2 years. she saw a psych who said she's confused and immature. oct 1 she moved out for supposedly 2-3 months to think. She admitted to having a male in south america (where she is from orig. 20 years ago) with whom she had affair with on a trip there. She moved back in 12 days after she left and said she loves me and wants to work on things. we never fight nor have financial woes. we have a nice little life but she's always bored and thinks there's more to life . for 2 weeks after she came back after moving out with only a suitcase, she was doing all the right things. but i noticed she's still in contact with this guy. he has no visa and can never come here. i try, try!! to ignore this chalking it up to fantasy but have seen and heard explicit stuff. last week we found out she is pregnant. I am almost 100% sure it's mine. the timing makes sense (about 3 weeks prgnant) . neither of us wants another kid. she wants to terminate but i said we could keep the child if we could work things out. She is very upset and does not want to have it. It seems that since sunday when we found out she's gone very dark on me. She does not want to talk about us or anything. My adviser told me NOT to try to force communication. But i'm dying here for something....I don't know what to do???? sorry to ramble but i am physically sick with nausea. thanks, richs61 Here is what I thought: rich, I would guess that your wife conceived the child when she was away from you for those 12 days in October. That is why she is adamant about an abortion; if the South American man looks quite different from you, then the baby is not going to look like your other children. She cannot hope to pass the baby off as yours and that is why she is adamant about an abortion. You say she is about 3 weeks pregnant and that is how you can work out that is it yours. How do you know that she is 3 weeks (I think you mean overdue)? The only way to fix the date right now is for her to tell the doctor the date of her last menstrual period, and she could falsify that date. I might be wrong, but I don't think an ultrasound scan would have been performed so early in the pregnancy, unless there was a reason to suspect a problem. If he was unable to go to your country (the USA?) during the time she was away, then she visited him. But on that note: why is he unable to get a visa? How did you find out this information? Did your wife relay it to you? What is the problem with the visa? Does he have a criminal record, or are nationals from his country not given visas to your country? .... Are you able to spy on her communications with this man? Does she use email to contact him?If so, you should download a keylogger for your PC and read their correspondence. If she uses her mobile phone, you have to get a look at the messages. You should hide a digital voice recorder where ever you think she uses her phone;in the car, for example. You must find out SECRETIVELY the nature of their contact. Your marriage cannot survive continued contact. You must not get caught spying, or your access to her secrets will end. When you do manage to see their communications, do not reveal how you found it. If you do, she will simply open a new account, put a password on her phone or buy a secret phone and carry on the contact. With some firm evidence, you can tell her that you know there is still contact and work on Plan A. Plan A is designed to make the marriage more attractive to her and to encourage her to end the affair. It might work on its own, but you might have to separate from her in Plan B and have no contact with her, until she ends the affair and commits to your marriage. Does anyone apart from your advisor know of the affair? Once you have more information about contact, you should inform people who are close to you both, who might be able to bring pressure on her to commit to the marriage and end the affair. I don't know whether other people here would advise exposing the affair right away, even without further evidence of contact. I would wait for a few more responses on this before you do anything. .... Spying on her communications might reveal whether the baby is OM's. How will you feel if you find out that it is his? Here were his thoughts on the baby: thankyou. i am in the usa, CT. we do have a 19 boy, my stepson.She concieved after her period oct 15. The doctor verified the fetus is about three weeks. She told me about the guy this summer. She has not left the country. He can not get a visa from this south american country. I know someone who knows him from there. No money, poor job, no visa is granted.She was pretty clear about her interest in this guy and said she needed to make a decision. two months ago she said she was not going to continue with him. but i know she has gone back on that. My adviser is a pscych. she thinks maybe to let the dust settle rather than attack her with ultimatums. but how do i know when the time is right. i really believe she loves me but i guess i dont excite her . my hope would be she wakes up , ends this phone affair, and trys to make us work. we have almost twelve years, no fighting. we vacation, dinner , movies, give each other massages, cuddle watching tv, even work together with a small home office. The psychiatrist said shes confused and immature. but what do i do?? plan a , ithink i've been doing this all along, I THINK. Even she tells her friends i'm a great guy. She told me 4 weeks ago that she doesnt know why she is self sabotaging our relationship. she said maybe she doesn't deserve me. I don't know what to do. We are not wealthy, but there is no struggle with work, kids, parents, etc... in fact , our life is relatively easy and care free compared to everyone else. thanks for listening!! I still think she knew it wasn't Rich's. Rich, you would do well to stick to just this thread. You have another thread started over in MB101. People need to be able to see the background details quickly, without searching for your past threads. One thing I have noticed is that you have been given the exposure advice over and over, by different people, but you do not follow it up. Instead you post again about how withdrawn your wife is from you. Why are you not acting on our advice?
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thanks to all. her limited family and close friends do know about the affair and ongoing phone convos. The abortion has not been done as planned parenthood is unable to verify anything on the ultrasound?? they took blood monday and she'll find out tommorrow. they said maybe her body Dealt with it?? But..she is definitely upset as am I. The timing is poor at best. She did not leave the country since august. I'm sorry i posted once in the other area. i'll stick to this one. i'm trying to be a good plan a guy. I AM AFRAID however to do anything now as she seems more sullen and low than usual...could be the pregnancy or possible hormone inbalance at this time ?
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I AM AFRAID however to do anything now as she seems more sullen and low than usual...could be the pregnancy or possible hormone inbalance at this time ? rich, do you want to do anything to stop this affair, or do you just want opinions on why she is low and withdrawn? She is withdrawn from you because she is having an affair. How do her limited family and close friends know about the affair, and what do they know? Who told them about it? Did you speak to them personally? Did you seek help from them in getting her to end the affair? If her friends, and perhaps her sister, know only because your wife confided in them and they have been lending her an ear and perhaps supporting the affair, then this will not help you. That is not what is meant by exposure. Does her son know about it? Have you talked to him?
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yes..she told her few close friends and her sister. While they all do like me, it seems that they don't want to get involved. These are Her friends and sister, so i'm not sure whether or not they would help me. As for her son, he may have surmised, but since he's away at school I've not discussed this with him. When i called one friend a few weeks back she indicated that she didn't want to get involved as she likes us both but did say she'd like see us remain together. Another close friend of hers (and mine) who shares the same ethnic background Did in fact speak with her and voiced dissatifaction. This friend, whom i do trust really wants to see us together as well. A third mutual friend also talked to her and told me the same. But she doesn't give them anything concrete about her future plans. As for her sister, she and i have a good relationship but I'm not sure whether to call her regarding this. She could go either way but i think she would rather have me in the picture.
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Well, good grief, then! How do you expect to accomplish anything, if you've let HER describe to everyone what is going on?
Jeesch!
Get on the phone - right now - and tell EVERYONE what's been going on. The TRUTH, not her pity party lies.
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i guess i don't yet have enough courage or confidence to do so...only been on this site a few days
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You all might want to read his other thread... http://forum.marriagebuilders.com/ubbt/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2280519#Post2280519Rich, You're in the same boat from when you started here - which is nowhere. You are relying on what you WS is telling you, you ignore the advice here (by the way - advice from spouses who have been cheated on) and you are letting your WW drive - she's going to drive you off a cliff. Gg
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wife told me love but not in love. She admitted to having a male in south america (where she is from orig. 20 years ago) with whom she had affair with on a trip there. She moved back in 12 days after she left and said she loves me and wants to work on things. we have a nice little life but she's always bored and thinks there's more to life. but i noticed she's still in contact with this guy. i try, try!! to ignore this chalking it up to fantasy but have seen and heard explicit stuff. It seems that since sunday when we found out she's gone very dark on me. She does not want to talk about us or anything. My adviser told me NOT to try to force communication. today my wife told me she wishes she could just disappear or go away. she said she likes to be by herself. She has many times cited boredom in the marriage. She said we are like best friends, brother and sister. I'm not bad looking and in pretty good shape, well groomed etc.. BUT TODAY>>> for the first time, she Actually said that SHE BELIEVES that because she doesn't feel like she wants to rip my clothes off shes not a normal or good wife. I THINK she has maybe unreasonable expectations of what she should feel?? I told her i can give her time and space whenever she needs, just say so. I too like space and my own time. I'm hoping this job (her first in many years outside of our home business) will give her some seperation and newfound independance which will help the marriage. She REALLY FEELS there is something very wrong with her, and this is severely affecting us. Again..this is the first time she has told me how she feels on this level. Okay - enough from me 
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