Ha! I'm keeping that one! Should go out in email to every Big Corporation on the planet!
Mulan

That warning is something I should've had because the next thing I knew I had 250K in student loans (1/2 hers), 2 kids and her staying at home criticizing me for not making enough money and refusing SF for the next 14 years! I definitely got suckered (no pun) in.

It's not just women though, it's the 40 and below age group. Lazy, disrespectful, and synical.

The want what they want NOW! We have taught our society that it is better to receive than to give. I always get irritated when my wife makes a deal with the kids (their kids!!!). If they do this, she'll get them this or they can go do that, but she'll end up doing her side first and then they forefeit (sp) their side!!! I go crazy.

We are fastly becoming France. Everyone has some kind of disability or needs some sort of subsidizing from uncle sam, while the others get drained from taxes and frivilous lawsuits.

ITA with this, and because of that I find it impossible to comprehend HOW an OW could be flattered by a MM hitting on her.

I have no respect for a man who hits on me, knowing full well that I am married. He is a low-life scumbag IMO.

Even before I was married and had ever experienced adultery, it would totally gross me out when married men would flirt with me.

I had one guy who sat by me on a plane (he was wearing a ring), he gave me his card, wanted to "trade ipods" with me during the flight and asked if I'd want to meet up with him for a drink after we landed.

I was 22 or 23, on my first big business trip, and he was probably mid 40's. It totally grossed me out and really made me realize how sleazy people can be.

I should have kept his card and found out who his wife was and let her know.

I don't want to fit into it. Would rather be alone now and have a clear conscience than to be the "norm"

Yeah, this thread is depressing.....that is why I think I will be alone forever....I just dont believe that anyone has morals anymore and who can you trust? To me it is just not worth being hurt anymore...ya know? everyone seems to be expendable when someone better comes along...

And just to add my 2 cents...my DS is 8 and in third grade...his elementary school had a halloween party and three fifth grade girls dressed as playboy bunnies...yeah high heels skimpy costumes and all.

My thought, who the he77 are these parents who let their girls in elementary school dress as playboy bunnies?!!!! So this is the way the girls are being raised for the future of our society...NICE!

I am totally OFFENDED when a man hits on me.

It does seem these days that most woman not only like it, but invite it. I know the OW in my sitch was that way as well. I have heard of numerous affairs she had had and she was the office "flirt".

Heck they only try to seel things with sex theses days. It is everywhere you look.

This came from the Tiger Beat thread.....

If I had the chance to ask Tiger one question, it would be this:
"Tiger, regarding your young daughter, Sam, which type of person are you hoping she'll grow up to be: the skankahoes you diddle when you're on the road, or the loyal wife, waiting to be betrayed by the soul-less husband?"

Every father should ponder this question. EVERY FATHER.

Holy,
Yes, I was the one who asked that question (or at least I would, if I could).
Interestingly, two years ago, I had an inside-the-ropes pass at one of his tournaments. He was certainly close enough to me several times that I could have shouted something to him and been certain he heard me.
Can't believe the question above is the question I now want him to answer. Really hoping he finds a way to redemption, for his sake, his wife's sake, his children's sake, and for my sake as a golf fan.

I was a decent looking guy at work with a lot of women when I was 20, and I had a position of authority. I was married and respected the marriage.
I found that the females there would get into a competition to see who could flirt with me or get me to respond to the flirts. If I didn't talk to one of them they would get offended. It was ridiculous but I felt like I was married to all of them. Even the women who didn't play the flirt game when I happened to be working with them would flirt when the others were around.
I just chalked it up to the way they disrespected my position as a young married guy. Mostly to the stigma most guys are held to that they are easy to manipulate with sexual advances and were all likely to cheat if they had the chance to.
There was an assumtion that "normal" men or "average" men were looking for a free lay and could not be trusted. The other side of that coin was men who wern't on the prowl were whipped by there wife or just dumb.

Office standards that are set by the way the boss acts can also be a way to influence the people under them.
Example: If the boss cheats and people know it then maybe they should don that behavior also if they want to get ahead.

Its so important that the people in charge act responsivly and set an example by what they DO. Unfortunatly individuals who should be examples for us, figureheads like President Clinton and many sports stars abuse the priviledge that power and influence has. Im not sure why but its probable that the insecurity that drove them to excell still persists to bother them. Maybe thats not it, maybe they allways wanted to have that power for that reason. If thats the case then it was obviously showed to them by another person in power that it was acceptable behaviuor.


So why should it be any differnt for women?

Most days I wonder what the heck is wrong with people in general but as a woman I do specifically wonder what is wrong with women today. I don't get it at all. There is nothing to be proud about when you act like a s$&t or a wh@%e. Maybe I'm too old to see it as cute and funny.

women aside for a sec what is wrong with todays employers?? most affairs seem to be in the work environment, that is appalling really is, why do employers not support marriages and families and accept floozy behaviour by staff??
If I owned a company and one of my married employees had affair with a coworked I would seriousely question his loyalty to the job never mind the marriage and would sack both of them. One it brings the companys name into disrepute 2) if a person can betray their spouse they can betray their company, 3) no matter how good someone is at their job they would have wasted my companys time on the affair at some point and more so if employers did the decent thing and supported families life would be alot easier. Or am I just mad for beleiving this?

I'm beginning to wonder that myself, bh28.

With all this immorality, us moral people are beginning to wonder--why bother if immorality is so widely accepted?

My WH had an EA at his work that turned physical and I discovered it 6 weeks after it became a PA then about 3 1/2 weeks later he lost his job because they suspected it but couldn't prove it and basically told him to either quit or get fired because they did not want a sexual harassment suit against them. He left me for the OW 10 days later. Now he makes $11/hr and has about $1300/month in bills, but he is happy he says and even if it doesn't work out he isn't coming home and we are not reconciling. He wants a divorce now but haven't heard anything from him in over 4 weeks since I said I have my paerwork filled out where's yours and I don't want to se or hear from you ever again when it is final. What is wrong with people? They think everything they see on TV is real and that they will live happily ever after with the person they are having an affair with when in reality they won't and they have messed up their lives and of those around them.

BW-me 44yrs
WH-him 47yrs
OW 26yrs with a 2 and 3 yr old and still married
married 20yrs
together 21yrs
DD 21yrs
DD 19yrs
D-Day#1 discovered cell phone bills 6/30/2009
D-Day#2 7/26/2009
WH left 7/25/2009
WH moves in with OW 7/29/2009

BH28 IMO No your not mad. I agree with you.


karmarose to me it is about what you respect. I for one don't respect that behavior so I won't respect myself if I do it. LOL I accually would feel like a little wimpy sleazeball with no guts to "sneak off a piece" in the workplace or anywhere else I would need to sneak it.

traci-- I assume you are qouting the statistics about people who have affairs and leave the marriage to be with someone else because they are not "Happy". Most of them eventually have the same issues that they had in the first relationship pop up in the next.

Traci, How can anyone trust someone who has cheated? I mean I can never understand women or men who get involved with married people. Really?? are they so dumb to think the marriage betrayor wont do the same thing to them eventually, they are taking on a weak person and even if they were godessess thmeselves that wont stop the weak person who betrayed their marriage for them to deal with the weaknessess they have and do it again. Why do they only concentrate on the "I must be special cause he left his/her marriage for me" stupid stupid people.

This is essentially the basis of the saying I coined predicting the end of my WW's affair -- with a married father of four who is four years her junior:

If the affair ends, she gets what she deserves.
If they remain together, he gets what he deserves.

The thing is these Waywards get what they deserve for life, he or she will always have the "cheater" or "homewrecker" logo tatooed on them for ever weather people find out what they did or not, they will always know what they did. The only way to make this tatoo less visible is to work on your waknessess that led to you being a cheater or homewrecker and make amends to the people you hurt. Why cant this fact be more obvious to these people??

I know his affair won't last because neither one of them has any money and he is 21 yrs older than her. She thought she was getting someone with money because he had an expensive truck and he had always seem to have money. Unfortunately it was me that had the money and paid for his toys. Those women who go after men they think have the money don't seem to understand that once they are seperated from their spouse they don't have any money anymore. They are broke! At least mine is and I've seen others in the same boat. My WH couldn't even afford a place to live because he only had $244/month left over after he paid for his bills, gas and food for the month. He can't even afford to pay for a divorce. He thinks he can sell his truck on ebay and he is about $3000-$4000 upsidedown on it. The OW and others like her are going to realize that she is going to have to support him and she doesn't even have money herself and she is going to get real tired of supporting him sooner or later.

BW-me 44yrs
WH-him 47yrs
OW 26yrs with a 2 and 3yr old and still married
married 20yrs
together 21yrs
DD 21yrs
DD 19yrs
D-Day#1 discovered cell phone calls 6/30/2009
D-Day#2 7/26/2009
WH moves out 7/25/2009
WH moves in with OW 7/29/2009

Here is what I think:

It is all about self-esteem.

You don't go skanking after any man of worth. If you did skank after a guy and got him, well you would know that he was a cad/looser. Therefore, a woman who really felt valid as a human being wouldn't get involved with a cad/looser. They'd pass on them (I have over and over again in my life).

These days, the skank culture is prized by the media and music and it is sad.

There is such a fine line between buying into the culture message and buying into one self.

No one who follows the path to skank-out will be truly happy in the end unless they can shake the idea that it is a good way to live or be.

All times though have had their 'loose women'. All times have their most touted types of women too. Right now, it just seems that it is one and the same. Loose woman=touted woman. It'll change one day.