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Kimmy,
pep is right ya know! If I defined myself by my past BF's and especially by my cheating on my H I would never be able to look anyone in the eyeballs.
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Kimmy,
pep is right ya know! Was there ever any doubt?  (what's the status on the get together?)
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Kimmy,
pep is right ya know! Was there ever any doubt? (what's the status on the get together?) The pep's retired and moving away get together or the family visiting from the UK get together?
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The pep's retired and moving away get together or the family visiting from the UK get together? Both. You can email me.
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Pre A/OC my wife was a super hottie, and she new it. (She even did some modeling)
OM portrays himself as a bad boy. (In reality he is a pansy) I believe this is what my wife was thinking The tattoo�s are HOT! He is so reckless, and artistic, so free. Not stuffy like Gack He is a partner at a landscaping company! (This was a lie, he was just an employee payed under the table)Manual labor is so HOT! He doesn't sit in an office all day like Gack, he is a real man. And one day he is gonna own the business, we will be so well off then. (The business folded, he just has a few customers he still cuts for)He has record and spent some time in jail. He must be super tuff, being able to survive jail and all. That is so HOT! Besides, it was all just a big misunderstanding and the charges where eventually dropped! (OM was convicted of felony B&E/theft) OM is doing the best he can as a father. His Ex-Wife is so cruel to him for not letting him spend more time with there child. (OM is several years delinquent on CS, and is only allowed to have supervised visits with his child.) Etc, Etc She fell for it, hook, line, and sinker. She belived she had found "the one". Her realizing and accepting it was all lies and fantasy, has/is taking a long time.
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Was there ever any doubt? Hunny butterbean Kimmy-san ...I'm not a stupid 60-year-old. (although I did smoke a lot of mistletoe in the 60's) ... and I do have PLENTY of "how dumb was I ?" data from my sordid past ... BUT KIMMY it's a waste of time to feel "shame" over distant past events. It's a bad habit, serves ZERO purpose, and I, the wise and powerful Pep (who has your HOME ADDRESS by-the-way) am telling you to STOP it today. Great and Powerful Pep (et al), I'm okay, really. It's just that he is SUCH a nerdbomberselfishratnuggetfartknocker. The only people he truly likes is himself and our son (TG for Z's sake). I recognized him for that in year 5 and got out. Kimmy, the small and meek
I never had to take the Kobayashi Maru test until now. What do you think of my solution?O'hana means family, and family means nobody gets left behind or forgotten. My Story Recovered!
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Enough about Gollum ... back to getting it on with your WIFE ...
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Oh. And it was all a deflection to make you forget that SHE is the one not wanting SF. I know 
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You do realize, Gack, that she HAD to convince HERSELF of these things so she could do what she did?
It's self delusion at it's apex.
I, too, went through it with the Wookie.
They can dress it up on a silver platter. They can TELL you it's the finest Belgin chocolate. But in the end, it's still bullchit and when they figure THAT bit out, it's a HARD pill to SWALLOW, indeed!
I never had to take the Kobayashi Maru test until now. What do you think of my solution?O'hana means family, and family means nobody gets left behind or forgotten. My Story Recovered!
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OK Gack,
In your opinion ....
Foreplay for a tired Mom = what?
"Go to bed sweetie, you need some sleep". If she is tired, I don't try for that.
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Sad to say it but I think that is what some women think about themselves and project that onto their Hs. She did not think this way before the A. We had a very active sex life. 2 to 4 times a week, innitiated by her 1/2 the time. Like I said in the other thread, it was not uncommon for me to come home from work and her greet me at the door wearing nothing but a wedding ring and a smile and jump all over me. Now...... 4 times in one year.
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OK Gack,
In your opinion ....
Foreplay for a tired Mom = what?
"Go to bed sweetie, you need some sleep". If she is tired, I don't try for that. "I am going to give you the best foot massage you've ever had."
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"Have you been exercising? You look delicious."
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Kiss her eyes. (trust me)
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Kiss her hands. (the palms)
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Ok Pep, I'll play. "I am going to give you the best foot massage you've ever had." She knows I have an aversion to feet, and would find this strange "Have you been exercising? You look delicious." Stop starring at me, It's creepy. Kiss her eyes. (trust me) What are you doing, stop being weird. Stop, your tickleing me Kiss her hands. (the palms) Stop slobering on me Your creeping me out. Now understand, any of those things you mention (Except the feet) would be fine, she would enjoy it and react positivley to it.... Untill we get to the point where she realises where we might be going. Then she shuts down, and her deminour and attitude changes. The replies I gave above are from after that point of realization. This rejection hurts, so I have preaty much stoped trying.
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