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I have been married for 13 years to my high school sweetheart. We have two wonderfull children of 11 and 9. Most of those years were good.
During theese 13 years my wife has left me about 6 years ago for a man she met on the internet and she recently had an affair with someone she met online. I asked her why she did and she said it was to find out if it was me or her as she no longer enjoys sex with me. She said she is not attracted to me any longer and don't know why.
The pain of betrayal hurts but not as bad as the pain of her throwing my love, our marriage and our family away. I want to try to work things out with her but it seems impossible at times.
We cannot be intimate as she says it pains her that she hurt me and the thought of sex with me or anyone makes her stomache turn. What am I to do?
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Unless she is willing to get help, not much you can do. She is a serial cheater. You may be much better off without her. You might want to see a lawyer. Sorry that she has abused you like this.
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I think we need more information first before anyone can offer you real advice.
How long were each affair? Did both affairs end? Is there NC in place with both OMs?
Is she willing to work on the marriage? Is she still living at home with you?
One thing I can suggest right now - install keylogger on your computer, so you can monitor all her online activities. Don't let her know about this, though.
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Me, BS, 35 - H, FWS, 38 Married 15 years, 4.5 years into Recovery EA/PA 7/09-9/09 DDay 9/5/09, started Plan A Exposed 9/13/09, started preparing for Plan B H finally confessed and agreed to NC 9/27/09, never went to Plan B Still a MB rookie, but striving to learn more and put it into practice every day... w/ FWH along for the ride
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She says she is trying do deal with herself and asks me to be patient with her. We have discussed divorce but right now the thought of not seeing my children ever day destroys me. I am a very loving father and a good husband. I dont go out or anything like that. I do most of the household chores and child raising.
My family tells me I should try to work it out for the sake of the kids. Am I wrong for trying to work it out for the sake of my kids?
She is unwilling to go to counseling. I asked her to go and she said she was not going to tell someone who didn't care in the first place her problems.
The first affair was very brief as she returned to me the next day. The second affair I found out about 2 weeks after it occured. She had been talking to someone on yahoo messanger for about 3 months when I checked the logs. She says it's over and ended it the day I found out. She insist it was a one time thing and only to find out if it was me or her as to why she did not enjoy sex any more.
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Tell her to leave then and go "find herself". Once she hits rock bottom, and SHE WILL, she'll come crawling back. You can't keep taking shots like this, it will destroy you. DUDE
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Not sure what NC with OM's are, sorry.
As for the affairs the first one ended the day after she commited the act. She told me she would never hurt me like that again. The second one was in September. According the the messanger logs she had been talking to him about three months. She swears she only was with him once and ended it the day I found out which was about two weeks after the act.
We are still living together as we bought a house last May and neither of us can afford the house on our own. We are in the process of fixing it up to put it back on the market.
She refuses to go to counseling as she says they dont help anyways and wont tell someone her problems.
She asks that I be patient and let her work through it.
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She says she is trying do deal with herself and asks me to be patient with her. We have discussed divorce but right now the thought of not seeing my children ever day destroys me. I am a very loving father and a good husband. I dont go out or anything like that. I do most of the household chores and child raising.
My family tells me I should try to work it out for the sake of the kids. Am I wrong for trying to work it out for the sake of my kids?
She is unwilling to go to counseling. I asked her to go and she said she was not going to tell someone who didn't care in the first place her problems.
The first affair was very brief as she returned to me the next day. The second affair I found out about 2 weeks after it occured. She had been talking to someone on yahoo messanger for about 3 months when I checked the logs. She says it's over and ended it the day I found out. She insist it was a one time thing and only to find out if it was me or her as to why she did not enjoy sex any more. Hi Whitetail, I'm glad you found MB. Your Wayward Wife (WW) sounds pretty typical to me. And no, it is not wrong of you to want to work it out and save this marriage. This site exists for just that reason. Please read as much as you can on this web site start with the "popular links" and click on "how to survive infidelity". Then find/order the book "Surviving an Affair" by Dr. Willard Harley Jr. and read it ASAP! This site is dedicated to saving marriages. It's not easy, but it can be done!
Recovery began 10/07;
Meeting my wife's EN's is my "thank you" that refuses to be silenced.
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Recovery began 10/07;
Meeting my wife's EN's is my "thank you" that refuses to be silenced.
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My family tells me I should try to work it out for the sake of the kids. Does the family know of the As? Have you exposed?
BW - me exWH - serial cheater 2 awesome kids Divorced 12/2011
Many a good man has failed because he had a wishbone where his backbone should have been.
We gain strength, and courage, and confidence by each experience in which we really stop to look fear in the face... we must do that which we think we cannot. --------Eleanor Roosevelt
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Let me translate some fog-babble-ese for you: She swears she only was with him once and ended it the day I found out which was about two weeks after the act. "I am only willing to admit to you what you know, that I slept with him once and it ended when you find out. In reality, things lingered for a long time, we had trouble saying goodbye, and the affair simmered for a while before it finally died a natural death quite some time after I told you it was over." She refuses to go to counseling as she says they dont help anyways and wont tell someone her problems. "I don't want to go to a counselor because they would try to make me to stop cake-eating from the other man and you at the same time. They'll tell me it's unhealthy and that I should choose when I don't want to. They'll also tell me to stop lying to you, and if you knew what I'd actually done, you'd want to be lied to because it would hurt you so bad." She asks that I be patient and let her work through it. "I want more time to give this Other Man a proper goodbye like the last one, with tears and flowers and heartfelt appreciation with appointments in the future to see if we can work things out together. And I want you to be patient with me so that I can do this at my own pace without your interference." The time for patience is AFTER verifiable no-contact is in place, when she's completely transparent with you about everything, and you're going through a program for marital recovery. It's not while she's still seeing the other man... you need to set your plan and stick to it, and that's all the "patience" she deserves from you: the patience to stick by the timelines you set for YOURSELF for when you're willing to do things. Don't do it on her selfish, wayward timetable. Again.
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Some of the family knows. She begged me not to tell her parents as they told her after she left me the first time they would disown her. I know she messed up but I refuse to hurt her as she did me. It's mostly my family and they swore they would not speak of it. I'ts hard to tell your family nothings wrong when your a emotional wreck.
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Then stop lying for her and tell her family, yours, and your kids. Your wife is a big time liar re the number of affairs she has had, their duration, and the number of times she has had sex with these guys, IMO. And, sorry that you have been hurt by her.
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Your WW is on her way out the door. You can not afford to be sappy and give in to her begging to continue the lies. Do not shield your BS from consequences. They may feel disgusted and disappointed (and should) but you don't know if they would disown her. People say a lot of things until it actually happens. Who is your family sworn not to speak of the A to? Keeping quiet is counteractive to exposure. 
BW - me exWH - serial cheater 2 awesome kids Divorced 12/2011
Many a good man has failed because he had a wishbone where his backbone should have been.
We gain strength, and courage, and confidence by each experience in which we really stop to look fear in the face... we must do that which we think we cannot. --------Eleanor Roosevelt
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Have you read the Carrot Stick thread? Do you have questions about this? Link Carrot/Stick As for the old "find myself" wayward-thinking-nonsense ...
written by former poster 2ofakind"We need to be apart so I can find myself"
What a cute little euphamism that is, finding yourself or finding out who you are.
Many of my dear friends here no that I am a big believer in using a gentle touch on those unfortunate souls who either "Need to find themselves" or "Need to find out who they are" before they can come home to their families.
So, as a public service to these unfortunate souls I have composed
"Finding yourself for Dummies"
First, finding yourself... 1. If you can't find yourself, try looking in your shoes. More than likely you will be there.
2. Do not bother looking where your children or responsibilities are, though that would be a reasonable place to look we know you are not there.
3. If need be, go to the police station and give the desk sargeant an 8x10 or you and ask to have an APB put out since you can't find yourself.
4. Ask your child to point to their mom/dad, if you are not sure which one you are reach into your pants and feel around, if there is a penis there, you are dad, if not, you're probably mom.
Now one of these tried and true methods ought to help you find yourself, but it probable dark so let's help you see better. Reach behind you, palms facing you, arms hanging down and grab. That's your butt. Now reach in that and look for a large round object, that is your head. Now, with both hands pull as hard as you can. You are now performing recto-cranial extraction.
Ok, now you have found yourself. We are making progress here! Now we need to find out "who you are". This is not so hard. Look around the house - if there are one or more particularly short little people ask one of them, they are called children, they probably know the answer as it was one of their first two or 3 words. Not able to talk yet? No sweat.
Look for the full grown person with the red eyes who looks like they haven't slept in a while - they probably know. They aren't home??? let's keep looking.
Try looking in a desk or filing cabinet. Look for folders named "mortgage", "Utilities", Or "Marriage license". There will probably be two names here - you are one of those. So we have found you and narrowed it down to two people.
Now look and see if there is a wallet around. Remember that? Little pocket sized leather folding thingy. Look for something that says drivers license. There should be a name. Now find a mirror (Glass thingy in the bathroom), look at the picture on the driver's license and the face in the mirror, if they match, the name on the license is WHO YOU ARE. If they don't, check those papers you found - you are the other name.
Now that you have found yourself and know who you are go find the other full grown person in the house and introduce yourself. Start out with "I'm sorry I could not find myself or figure out who I was, I know now"
Next, knock off the drama, quit being melodramatic and start being mom/dad, husband/wife like you are supposed to and quit with the childish theatrics because the final piece is WHERE YOU ARE. This is called the real world where people depend on you to act like a grownup and keep track of details like who and where you are. The little people in the house are kinda sorta counting on you too.
If this doesn't work and you have to take a journey to answer these questions there is a chance that when you find yourself you will be alone, without a house, without a spouse, without children who love you and without a penny. That is how my XW found herself a year later. Trust me, my plan outlined earlier is better.
Ahhhhhhhhh.... okay, I needed to get that out since the day my XW took off into the sunset and another post yanked that rant out of me. If your WS tells you that they need time away to find themselves and discover who they are print it out for them. If they can't follow the directions make sure the door doesn't hit them in the rear and injure their head. There is a reason I harp on not putting up with crap from WS's who like to play little selfish games - if you indulge them they keep playing them.
I'm better now. Thanks for letting me take a good long vent... maybe I am finally getting my old, dead, buried, BS issues from the days before I met J out of my system.
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Consider leaving a serial cheater while you are young enough to find someone who won't abuse you. 
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Consider leaving a serial cheater while you are young enough to find someone who won't abuse you.  Yeah, the serial ones are a breed apart, IMO. They are very messed up, even as compared to the typical lying, cheating, one timers.
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Some of the family knows. She begged me not to tell her parents as they told her after she left me the first time they would disown her. I know she messed up but I refuse to hurt her as she did me. I'ts hard to tell your family nothings wrong when your a emotional wreck. You have HURT her and your marriage by helping her hide her secret. You have ENABLED the destruction of your marriage. Affairs THRIVE on secrecy. What you have done is nothing more than protect your wife from the consequences of her actions. Since there are never conseqences, she never learns from her mistakes. You can see the results of that strategy.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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Some of the family knows. She begged me not to tell her parents as they told her after she left me the first time they would disown her. I know she messed up but I refuse to hurt her as she did me. I'ts hard to tell your family nothings wrong when your a emotional wreck. You have HURT her and your marriage by helping her hide her secret. You have ENABLED the destruction of your marriage. Affairs THRIVE on secrecy. What you have done is nothing more than protect your wife from the consequences of her actions. Since there are never conseqences, she never learns from her mistakes. You can see the results of that strategy. Yep, she continues "on the prowl". Time to lay some big time consequences on her libidinous butt.
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You also need to read and really study the Marriage Builder books Surviving An Affair His Needs, Her Needs Love Busters
to try to decipher where the gaps are of her emotional needs being met to avoid future affairs if this one is smacked down.
She is obviously vulnerable in some area(s) that make cheating seem to be irresistable to meet some needs.
Try to figure that out as you take your time deciding how to proceed.(you do not have to decide whether to end the marriage today or tomorrow.....take your time and meanwhile proceed with the idea to save it)
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expose
Secrecy is no good. Not at all.
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My fear is that if I expose it to her parents it will in fact destroy any chance of working through this. If you ever met her parents i guarantee you that when they say they would disown her they would do just that. As for my family not speaking of it it is to some of my other family members who would drag her out and beat the crap out of her lol namly my sisters. Im 32 btw but they are still very protective.By the sounds of your all's responces I am killing it anyways by hiding it. Does she deserve to be booted out the door sure... so why is it so hard for me to do it?
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