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My WW is flying 500 mph into her "new life" with her "soul mate" and plans on being married "within minutes" of our D being final. Out of pure schadenfreude, what are the official and/or anecdotal survival stats about marriages built on affair relationships? Anecdotally, I know at least four couples who married after an affair. All seem to be OK, so far as marriages go and all are still surviving. The duration goes from 1 year out to 20+ years. Yet I heard the statistic that 85% of affair-based marriages fail within 5 (??) years. Hmm...doesn't seem to match up to my limited experience. One side of me wants to see my WW crash and burn and experience the pain and misery I've endured. Another side says that it might all work out for WW and OM - maybe not paradise, but things will be "better". I try to quell the latter voice  What is your experience? What are your thoughts?
BH - age 33 WW - age 33, pregnant w/OC, due Jun. 2010 M - 12 yrs DS x3 (12, 6, 2) DD x1 (8) D-day 9-9-09 Plan D - Divorce Papers served 11-12-09 WW moved in w/OM 1-30-10 (DS12 Bday)
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This is from Dr. Harley posting to someone who planned to marry their affair partner: While it's true that there are happy marriages that start as affairs, they are in the minority. Only about 5% of all affairs end in marriage, and only about 1/3 of those marriages survive the first five years. You probably have one chance in 100 of turning this marriage into a successful relationship, and you're off to a terrible start in spite of your love and commitment.
I have a theory about why marriage after an affair is so unsuccessful, but the fact that they're unsuccessful is well documented. My main contention is that for whatever reasons, those who have affairs tend not to follow one of my cardinal principles for marriage: The Policy of Joint Agreement (never do anything without an enthusiastic agreement between you and your spouse). They tend to do what they please without considering each other's feelings. While that may not apply to both members of the relationship, it almost always applies to at least one of them. Your friend's affair with another man in the beginning your your relationship is evidence that she's not thinking about your interests.
I try very hard to keep these marriages together, in spite of the fact that there is such a low probability of success. If I thought I would fail, I wouldn't be wasting my time. And yet, I have had very little success. I keep thinking that I will eventually find a way to succeed.
There are so many obsticles to overcome. In addition to failure to follow the POJA, there is also a marked failure to follow the Policy of Radical Honesty. They tend to be incredibly dishonest, in spite of the fact that they start out thinking they can look right into each other's very souls.
But there is one other issue that is terribly relevant to your situation: Blended families. I read a research report recently that claimed that only 15% of all marriages with children from another relationship survive for 25 years (on average about 50% of all marriages survive for 25 years). Again, from my perspective, the culprit is failure to follow the POJA. Instead of making joint decisions regarding the children, unilateral decisions are made. This ultimately leads to fights and constant turmoil. After the children are grown, however, the conflict does not end. In many cases, advantages continue to be given to children by the natural parent at the expense of the step-parent.
I'm sure that your counselor has been encouraging your wife to negotiate with you so that you can reach a joint agreements regarding her children, but to no avail. And I've experienced the same thing. In spite of a blended family couple's willingness to follow the POJA when I talk to them, when it comes to a decision that will affect the welfare of their children, the commitment is broken.
The advice you have been receiving on the Forum focuses attention on your affair. I've written quite a bit on that topic, and many of the responders have read it. In general, I warn people to avoid an affair because if the very same problems you are facing. And if a vast amount of research and my own professional experience can be trusted, it happens to 99% of those who try to make an affair last.
While it's very unlikely that you will follow my advice because you're in love with "Jane," leaving this relationship, and restoring your relationship with your first wife is the wisest choice. But if you want to know how you can be the 1% that thrives in spite of the obsticles you face, my advice is that you both learn to follow the POJA with every decision you make, including those with the children. If those decisions are made with mutual care, you may be able to figure out how to make the rest of your relationship work.
Best wishes Willard F. Harley, Jr.
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there have been threads about this subject so mybe you can look them up with the search feature
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Most affairriages do not last. That's why there are so many people out there that have been married multiple times.
What happens is they cheated with a cheater. Only to find out they cheat with you the cheat on you. So divorce follows.
Many times the cheater's tuff it out for one reason and remain married so they save face by not admitting the OP made a worse spouse then the original BS. Content to go through the motions.
Some claim happiness. Some are.
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Dr. Harley on affair marriages statistics: Q: How often (percentage-wise) do As end? Is 97% correct?
A: My experience, and the experience of other professionals is that about 95% of all affairs either end by one person deciding to end it, or that it dies a natural death. Of the five percent that end in marriage, about 70% of those end in divorce.
There are a host of reasons that romantic relationships that start with an affair are so fragile, but the main reason is that they are based on deceit, thoughtlessness, and dishonesty. Those characteristics eventually find themselves permeating the affair itself. They eventually find themselves being deceitful, thoughtless, and dishonest toward each other.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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That pretty much sums up the stats I've seen.
Going through all this one realizes how common affairs are. Things come out of the woodwork and you find out that all sorts of people you would *never* expect to have had an affair, actually did have one.
I guess my anecdotal evidence is skewed because if there were affairriages out there that didn't last, I probably wouldn't know about it.
Anyways, thx for the comments.
BH - age 33 WW - age 33, pregnant w/OC, due Jun. 2010 M - 12 yrs DS x3 (12, 6, 2) DD x1 (8) D-day 9-9-09 Plan D - Divorce Papers served 11-12-09 WW moved in w/OM 1-30-10 (DS12 Bday)
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Indarkness, There are multiple members posting here whose marriage failed as a result of second marriage and affairs. Behaviors don't change just because a person marries again. Most likely one of the A partner will be decietful and dishonest. Here's an entertaining thread on a second marriage from A...the guy can't get over his WW ONS but in his eyes he's had a better marriage for 9 years. http://forum.marriagebuilders.com/u...in=158424&Number=2302698#Post2302698Gg
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Ya KNOW indarkness,  If I were you and wishing for something, I would wish that they stayed married and endured each of them cheating on the other, each of them lying to the other, each of them focusing primarily on their OWN happiness and not worrying about what happens to the other person. In short, I would wish they remained together and treated each other as they have treated those that have loved them. I know, I know, that is cruel, but hey! I just would not wish them happiness and that would mean they both grew up and actually found people like the people they left. That won't happen if they are married Ya KNOW.  Just a few twisted thoughts for your consideration. JL
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JL: I've got a boat-load of twisted thoughts. In my case, these two will likely stay married because their combined IQ is slightly below moron-level, so they'll need one another to wipe the continual drool.
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Oh how romantic.
Dirty diapers, frayed nerves, baby poop all over the place.
Having a new baby is hard enough when there is two people in a committed marriage, imagine a relationship built on fantasies.
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Yep, once they get a big dose of reality including dirty diapers, crying babies, bills that need to be paid when there's no money to pay them, etc. this thing will probably die a swift and natural death.
A's aren't about the reality of day to day life. They exist in a fantasy world, and that fantasy almost never stands up to the rigors of day to day existence.
Also, a M based on lies and deceit is doomed to fail. What a lovely foundation they will be starting their life together on.
Me: BS/FWW: 48 BS/WH: 50 DS: 30, 27, 25 DD: 28 OC: 10 BH and I are raising my OC together.
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Yep, once they get a big dose of reality including dirty diapers, crying babies, bills that need to be paid when there's no money to pay them, etc. this thing will probably die a swift and natural death.
A's aren't about the reality of day to day life. They exist in a fantasy world, and that fantasy almost never stands up to the rigors of day to day existence.
Also, a M based on lies and deceit is doomed to fail. What a lovely foundation they will be starting their life together on. and then you add yet one more child with a broken home to the mix. Really sad if you ask me for ALL of these children.
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Ya KNOW indarkness,  If I were you and wishing for something, I would wish that they stayed married and endured each of them cheating on the other, each of them lying to the other, each of them focusing primarily on their OWN happiness and not worrying about what happens to the other person. In short, I would wish they remained together and treated each other as they have treated those that have loved them. I know, I know, that is cruel, but hey! I just would not wish them happiness and that would mean they both grew up and actually found people like the people they left. That won't happen if they are married Ya KNOW.  Just a few twisted thoughts for your consideration. JL Ac2ally, I would wish that they get along famously, even take up swinging with like-minded 2wits. The last thing you're going 2 want, 5 years from now, is this marriage 2 fail and your xW wanting 2 come home and "try again" with you, when you've gotten long past being over what's happened. More important question, though. You said she's flying 500 miles? The only place she could be going and stay in CA would be the far northern end of the state, so I assume she's moving 2 Utah with the OM? Make sure you have sole custody of your kids, ID. Maybe even only allow her 2 see them under your supervision, and on rare occasions. I bet CA will frown on any desire on her part of taking the kids from their home state. -ol' 2long
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Ya know Indarkness,
If it weren't for your other children, one could have a lot of fun with this. But seriously your other children are being harmed by this and there is nothing you can do.
I will tell you honestly what things would be like for you and your soon to be XW IF I were running the world. Like anyone is going to let me.
1. You would have custody of the kids, full time. Yes liberal visitation, but you are the ones the kids will need.
2. You would find happiness in your life with your children, your job, and with people around you. You would find a woman that you love, cherish, and respect, and she would do the same for you.
3. Your W would actually be happy with the OM. I know, I know this sounds so wrong, but if she is happy, she will treat your children better. If she is happy, she will not be an intrucive part of your life. If she is happy the child she is carrying will have a good chance at a good life. If she is happy, she will slip more easily from your everyday thoughts and you will reach the state of indifference much easier.
So Indarkness, I suspect you might be happy I am not running your live because of #3, but the reality #1 and #2 are more likely to happen if #3 happens.
Oh, and if #3 happens, something else is probably going to happen. She will finally let down her defenses and realize what a terrible thing she did to you and your children and that my friend is the punishment she deserves.
God Bless,
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2L:
the 500 mph thing was just a metaphor, no she's not moving anywhere, we have agreed on joint custody and she has agreed to a clause in the agreement that neither she nor I can move outside of the immediate area without written consent or court order. Keep her from trying to escape to Quantico (OM is FBI) or UT (where OMs kids are and likely will stay).
JL:
Yes, the long view says that #3 really is the best course of action. Not that I have to like it...
BH - age 33 WW - age 33, pregnant w/OC, due Jun. 2010 M - 12 yrs DS x3 (12, 6, 2) DD x1 (8) D-day 9-9-09 Plan D - Divorce Papers served 11-12-09 WW moved in w/OM 1-30-10 (DS12 Bday)
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Unfortunately for the kids, according to Dr. Harley's statistics, #3 is also very unlikely to happen.
FBI?
Me: BS/FWW: 48 BS/WH: 50 DS: 30, 27, 25 DD: 28 OC: 10 BH and I are raising my OC together.
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Unfortunately for the kids, according to Dr. Harley's statistics, #3 is also very unlikely to happen.
FBI? Ugh, a GMAN. You might not want to go plan FU..DUDE
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#3....are you JOKING?
"If WS is happy he or she will treat the kids better"
Erm, Holy, Chai, how about you two get over here and explain why that's not true...?
One year becomes two, two years becomes five, five becomes ten and before you know it, you've wasted your whole life on a problem you can't solve. That's one way to spend your life. -rwinger
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#3....are you JOKING?
"If WS is happy he or she will treat the kids better"
Erm, Holy, Chai, how about you two get over here and explain why that's not true...? Happiness comes from w/in. If they weren't happy before, they dam sure wont be now! DUDE
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Oh my gosh, I agree with Dude.
Someone wanna start playing Twilight Zone music now?
One year becomes two, two years becomes five, five becomes ten and before you know it, you've wasted your whole life on a problem you can't solve. That's one way to spend your life. -rwinger
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