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I've been here before. Twice before. First time was bad. Broken up. Near hurting myself in that much pain. Then nearly a year ago, WW had a second affair. I got advice from ya'll nice people. I re-doubled my efforts. Spoke with WW. Did the best I could to reconcile the marriage. Much of the advice was that unless WW changes her ways marriage was doomed to fail. WW swore all was out in the open. Swore a lot of things.
Anyway, In August, I find out all she'd told me about the affair was lies. It was over, but she lied about everything.
I felt like it was a 3rd time. Because she made up a story about what the affair was. Then I knew the truth.
I went into a downward spiral. I stopped short. I shut down to everything.
Finally after months of being a zombie, I'm close to being myself again. I've done nothing with the marriage. I am closed to my wife. Closed to any emotions with her.
WW wants to work it all out.
I've told her I've no self respect left. While I do care for her, even doing that leaves me feeling like a dirty door mat.
My question without going into all this any more than that, is there really any reason to try to fix this?
Sure I can play nice, but with all this pain which will always be there is there anything left? Can there be?
I have zero respect for myself with regards to this marriage.
I hate that I'm the bad guy for giving up.
Thank you for any comments. dd
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Hey DD, Long time no see. DD, the marriage may fail but you did not. You have given your best have you not? You have tried to overcome the pain, the lack of respect for you and her, the loss of trust, right? My question without going into all this any more than that, is there really any reason to try to fix this? Your the one that has to come up with the reasons, not us. You have every right to divorce her. You won't be a failure if you do. My only question to you is to reflect back on what you have learned from this. If you do, what is it that you have learned about yourself and how has it changed you. The measure of success in my mind is how YOU come out of this mess. So do us a favor and tell us what you have learned, and how it change your approach to a new relationship. God Bless, JL
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It's 100% your decision.
If you want to give it one more try, I'd suggest you make a condition that she arrange for both of you to attend the soonest possible MB weekend ... not the online program.
Wife would need to make the arrangements, pay for it herself, everything. See what she does.
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WW has been NC during this time then there is a chance to save this marriage for it would be another story if came here tonight and told us WW had kept breaking NC.
You are not the first and won't be the last BH to get trickled truth'd.
At least she came clean now. Many a WW are to afaid to tell the truth because their afraid their BH will leave them. Don't want inflict more pain on their BH. Avoid the pain of having to admit these things when they hear themselves say what they did.
I agree a MB weekend would be good.
Also maybe it's time to bring WW here to MB.
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This may be a good time for a counselor. You are deep in a motivational swamp right now. What's a motivational swamp? Good question! The purpose of a marriage counselor, from my perspective, is to guide you through (1) emotional minefields, (2) motivational swamps and (3) creative wildernesses.
The emotional minefields represent the predictable, yet overwhelmingly painful experiences that many couples go through as they try to adjust to each other's emotional reactions. Hurt feelings are the most common, but depression, anger, panic, paranoia and many others seem to pop up without warning. These emotions distract couples from their goal of creating romantic love, and often sabotage the entire effort.
A good marriage counselor helps couples avoid many of these emotional landmines and is there for damage control when they're triggered. He/she does this by understanding the enormous stress couples are under as they are facing one of their greatest crises. When one or both spouses become emotionally upset, he/she has the skill to diagnose and treat the emotional reactions effectively. I counsel with a psychiatrist who prescribes psychotropic medication (anti-anxiety and anti-depressants) to alleviate the emotional pain that often accompanies the process of marital adjustment. A good counselor knows how to calm the couple down and assure them that their emotional reactions are not a sign of hopeless incompatibility.
The motivational swamps represent the feeling of discouragement that most couples experience. They often feel that any effort to improve their marriage is a waste of time. Over the years, I believe that one of my greatest contribution to couples has been my encouragement when things looked bleak. My clients knew that at least their counselor believed that their effort would be successful. Eventually, each spouse would come to believe it too.
Discouragement is contagious. When one spouse is discouraged, the other quickly follows. Encouragement, on the other hand, is often met with skepticism by the other spouse. So its easy to be discouraged, and difficult to be encouraged, when you are trying to solve marital problems. A marriage counselor should be there to provide needed encouragement when there's none other in sight.
The creative wilderness represents the typical inability of couples in marital crisis to create solutions to their problems. In the books I've written, many solutions are suggested but they're only the tip of the iceberg. Many marital problems require solutions that are unique to certain circumstances. In this site, I put more emphasis on the process you should follow to solve marital problems than I do on the specific strategy you should use. That's because there are too many situations that require unique strategies.
A good marriage counselor is a good strategy resource. While you can, and should, also think of ways to solve your marital problems, a marriage counselor should know how to solve problems like yours. That's what you pay him/her to do! And his strategy should make sense to you. In fact, his strategy should encourage you in the belief that your problems will be over soon. Counselors often obtain special training for many common marital problems, such as sexual incompatibility and financial conflicts. These counselors can document a high rate of success in finding solutions to those problems.
To summarize, the three most important reasons to find a marriage counselor are (1) to help you avoid or overcome painful emotional reactions to the process of solving marital problems, (2) to motivate you to complete your plan to restore romantic love to your marriage, and (3) to help you think of strategies that will achieve your goal.
If you can handle your emotional reactions, provide your own motivation and can think of appropriate strategies, you don't need a marriage counselor. In fact, I suggest that you try solving your problem on your own until you hit a roadblock. But if your efforts hit a snag, find a professional marriage counselor to help you. Marital problems are too dangerous to ignore, and their solutions are too important to overlook.
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