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I am kind of in the same boat that is why I am here
I am new here
My boyfriend moved out for 3 months came back
I am raising a 5 year old
that looks at him as daddy
I might add we have been together 10 years I will not marry
and 50...
as I am a widow and I would lose all that I get and my 5 year old
will not rick that ..
He had a affair with a lady from work lied to me about it the whole time..
when he came back here I said no contact
he still sends her jokes in email
even sends her ones I send to him but she doesn't know they came from me...
sitting here right now doing a slow burn...
because he did it today he doesn't know I know this...
AS I have snooped...
He has changed jobs and doesn't work where she does and he spends no time with her
this I know he is here all the time other then work and I email him at work to get email back to make sure he is there
and I have a friend that works where he does and knows I would find out if he left work...
what to do about the joke emails I don't know every thing else is good he goes out of his way to try and keep me happy...
I am hoping to find help here as how to deal with this.

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sunshine, there is a huge difference between living together and being married. The former are tentative and the latter are life-long commitments. Your boyfriend is not married and is free to date others, as there is no committment here. Living together is a short term, month to month agreement that lasts until something better comes along.

I would refer you to Dr Harley's articles about living together: Living Together Before Marriage


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Originally Posted by sunshine4848
My boyfriend moved out for 3 months came back
I am raising a 5 year old
that looks at him as daddy
I might add we have been together 10 years I will not marry

If you have been with him for 10 years then who is the "baby daddy?"


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The child is my grand daughter...
My daughter has a drug problem and we have had my grand daughter almost since birth
she was born at 26 week at 1 lb 11 oz
I tried to let my daughter take care of her and she failed so I went to court and took her from her
after 2 years I adopted her...
I might add she is doing great and has beaten all the odds..
My boyfriend has played a role in her life being I was with him long before I got my grand daughter...
he agreed with the adoption... that is was the best thing to do...
I was married for over 20 years...
I draw my husbands retirement and it helps me to take care of my grand daughter
If I was to marry I would lose all that and our medical insurance...
and I won't risk that for the childs sake...
I am 50 my boyfriend is 49
We both have said we feel this is a committed relationship
I have treated this relationship as if we were married it feels the same to me...

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IF I have reasons that I can't marry ?
And we both have said this is a committed relationship.
please read what I posted what has went on here
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Ok sunshine. I think I understand your situation. Now it is that you are not married because of financial reasons. You would not be able to insure adequate medical attention for your daughter if you were to marry as your deceased husband's legacy allows you access to that insurance. I think I got that right. If not, clue me in. I would guess ex-military.

You also receive some sort of death benefit as a widow. And you need the funds to be able to be in effect a stay at home mom for her. Around here that is called SAHM.

In my comments, I am going to address your situation as if you were legally married. In fact, in many places you would be what could be called a common law marriage, something that was all many people had many years ago. smile

This site and associated forum follows Dr. Willard Harley's marriage plan and also his strategy for the reconstruction of a marriage that has been tainted by adultery. Your first task is to read his basic concepts, which you will find at the link at the top of the page or in right hand menu. Either one will work.

I do suggest that you find the book Surviving An Affair by Harley and read it as the best of the best for advice and direction. Most importantly, he outlines a plan for the restoration of a marriage. Buy it and read it, please. It is available at most book stores, especially those which sell Christian books, although it is not especially a Christian Publication.

The roles of people who post here fall into many categories. I like to get to know people and see what their heads are telling them. Others post very specific elements of Dr. Harley's advice and are quite good at translating that into effective guidance.

By all means if you have any questions about Dr. Harley's methods, this is the place to ask for opinions and get answers besides the Harley's themselves. For those who can afford it, I often recommend that folks use the Harley Coaching Center and pay the professionals there for help. They are very, very good at what they do, and even though they often charge a bit more than your usual therapists, they get more done in a few sessions than most therapists get done in dozens. They are really that good.

First at bat: Your guy MUST and I mean MUST, practice NO CONTACT with his affair partner for LIFE, period, end of story. Without that, nothing is possible, zero, nada, won't happen. This is a central deal for Harley's advice. And those who have been down this rocky road believe in what he says on this issue.

No Contract For Life, Period.

Now, please understand that there is great hope for those who get with the program and follow the path. If both you and your husband will follow the path, you can establish a marriage that will be a blessing for both of you. And don't worry if he won't sign on right away. Somebody has to lead and that will be you.

Now go read dear lady. And post your questions.

All the best.

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Originally Posted by sunshine4848
We both have said we feel this is a committed relationship
I have treated this relationship as if we were married it feels the same to me...

sunshine, feelings are not truth though and can't erase the reality of the situation. I understand you have reasons you didn't want to get married, but it does not make marriage and living together the same thing. It is night and day. Your bf shows by his behavior that he is not committed.

The book I would suggest for you is Buyers, Renters, and Freeloaders and jump to the chapter titled the "Curse of Living Together Before Marriage."


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sunshine

Picking up on what Mel said:

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Your bf shows by his behavior that he is not committed.

YOU may be committed, but your BF isn't by his behavior. YOU and YOUR daughter need a committed father for her (and you) and he isn't giving you that. Watch what people do, not what they say.

Are YOU having an affair? No, you aren't. Is HE? Yes he is.

He obviously feels he can do what he wants. And he is hurting both YOU and YOUR daughter by what he does.

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sunshine, I don't think you should risk your income to get married. Getting married would be a disaster too. Marriages that begin by living together have an 85% divorce rate and have the vast majority of domestic violence. They are abusive by nature. I think you should run for your life.

Are you divorced from your last husband?

An excerpt from Dr Harley's newsletter about living together:

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When a couple live together before marriage, they tend to be "renters." By that I mean that they view their relationship much as they would renting an apartment. If something goes wrong in an apartment, the landlord is expected to fix it -- if it needs paint, the landlord paints it; if it needs repairs, the landlord does the repairing. In other words, the renter is not responsible for making the apartment suitable for living -- the landlord is responsible. And if the apartment is not repaired, the tenant isn't expected to fix the apartment himself, he simply moves to another apartment if he doesn't like the one he is renting.

In the same way, couples who live together before marriage do not expect to make many changes to accommodate their lovers. The relationship is a test of how "livable" their relationship is, and if they were to find it uncomfortable, or if one were to complain much, it would mean that they would not be right for each other.

Those who live together before marriage tend to ignore conflicts until they become intensely negative. That's why these relationships are notoriously abusive (as reported in a recent Justice Department study on domestic abuse). If these couples eventually marry, they carry their renter's agreement into marriage, with the same tendency to ignore conflicts until they build up. Since the renter's agreement does not promote healthy adjustment in marriage, or the sustaining of romantic love -- the vast majority of these marriages end in divorce.

On the other hand, when couples marry before they live together, they tend to be "buyers." Much like buying a house, these couples realize that if anything needs fixing, they will have to fix it -- the sooner, the better. Their marriage is not a test of how livable their relationship is, but rather, it's a commitment to make their relationship livable. That means that when a problem first surfaces, they go right to work fixing it, knowing that if they don't fix it soon, it can lead to an even bigger problem later.
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Thank You
And yes you were right on about the spot I am in with a child here smile
I am going to look into getting the book today...

But what can I do if he is still emailing her ???
He doesn't know I know
can't let him know that
so how do you put a stop to it ????

He is good here with every thing else
we get along don't fight
but there is NO real closeness
or intimacy ...
just a hug a kiss when he gets home from work a kiss good night...
he calls me every day on his lunch..
Am I trying to rush things ??
Do I just keep putting into the love bank that I have been reading about here ?
Thank you so much for your help




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