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#823064 09/28/03 11:47 AM
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sadeyes,,,,,,, remember there were 2 people that committed this act.

~~~ in the old days bible days she would of been stoned to death ...and the child would have died with her. ~~~

remember also that in the old bible days your uh would most likely have been found along side of the road with his head cut off.

hopefully our society has progressed further then that of such areas in the world where hatred is still the most motivating factor in life.

take a good look at the middle east if you want to know what kind of living conditions your post advocates.

get some counseling fast and save yourself.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by SadEyes:
<strong>unhappy wife
maybe you need to go to court and let them know this mother is not caring properly for her child because she takes the money and uses it for daycare. The child needs the mother at home..
maybe YOU can get the child and care for it..and also get the money to go with the child..

JM: the mother isn't caring properly for her child because the child is in DAYCARE??? What age are you living in? Do you live in Peyton Place or something? I know plenty of TWO parent families where BOTH parents work.

Put it in the family and the mothers would learn to accept it puppies do it kittens do it..why can't a mother learn to love another child, it isn't the childs fault.

JM: That's just a sick analogy.

I don't think she has any claims at all and what she gets for the child should be till 18 with no rights to anything..else..he is what you call a [censored]..
in the old days bible days she would of been stoned to death ...and the child would have died with her..

JM: As well as your husband.

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> get on birthcontrol
stop playing the harlot..stop being the dramma queen.

JM: ??? HUH?

give the family a break raise your own child..you kept it out of spite..or had it because your clock was running out..whoever has a baby needs to take care of it..and be responsible and not to look to anyone else..

JM: I AM raising my own child. I kept him because I love him (my child). I take very good care of him. And the only other person I looked to for help, even if it is just financial - is his FATHER.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Oh my God. I deleted a lot of the quote. But I just have to say. I have never, ever, in all my years of reading here at MB seen such a horrible post.
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first of all that was just a statement about the old days.

I was not advocating anything..

But This is what God says..argure with HIM!

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> the acts of the sinful nature are obvious:
sexual immorality,
impurity and debauchery;
idolatry and witchcraft;
hatred, discord,
jealousy, fits of rage,
selfish ambition,
dissensions, factions and envy;
drunkenness, orgies, and the like.

I warn you, as I did before,
that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. (Gal 5:19-21)

sin can bring a believer to his spiritual death, the Bible clearly teaches this (Luke 15:24,32;

Rom. 8:13; James 1:14-16; 5:19,20; etc.). No informed Christian writing on such a subject could neglect this cardinal truth about sin in the life of a believer.
David was forced to walk up and down and go into hiding to save his own life. Worst of all, the Bible says, he lost the joy of his salvation:

And Paul writes that if we continue in our sin, we&#8217;ll be turned over to Satan for the destruction of our flesh, that our souls may be saved (Ibid., 11/15/99). <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

To say that the worst thing that happened to David was for him to lose the joy of his salvation
is to say that a Christian can be both adulterous and murderous and remain saved. Furthermore, when Paul wrote of the sexually immoral man in 1 Cor. 5:1-5,

he identified that same man as being wicked (1 Cor. 5:13)
which is the same Greek word (poneros) found in Mt. 13:49,50 that shows he was headed for the fiery furnace at that moment[.]

argue with God this is not taken out of context.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

<small>[ September 28, 2003, 10:16 PM: Message edited by: SadEyes ]</small>

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you all seem to think I am so against you.
I am not..I pray for you all and your souls that you may find peace with God no matter how things work out for you in real life..HE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON YOU WILL EVER KNOW..

My prayer for the Wayward husbands and wifes and also for the ow om..

I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith.

And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ,

and to know this love that surpasses knowledge--that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.

Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us,

to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen."
Ephesians 3:16-21

God bless you ..what you do with God is your decision..

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WOW...quite the thread. I do agree with one major point though...all parties should seek legal counsil. BW & OW. I am going through this now...xMM and BW are in no contact with me and OC so I have no alternative but to have CS done through the courts.

He wont even sign her travel documments so that I can visit my sister at x-mas. I can't cross the border without his permission in writing. Nor will he have her citizenship declared...something I can't do myself.

I was hoping we could all agree on basic terms, have it drawn up, signed and filed but that's pretty hard to do when BW won't acknowledge our existance. Part of me is happy the attorneys are handling it and I don't have to communicate with them but the other, more practical part is cringing at the attorney bills. All of which xMM has to pay, and I take no enjoyment out of that. The saddest part of all...what I am asking for is what they are currently giving me...I just want it legal and they..well, I don't know what they want...they wont talk to me.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">as far as children born out of wedlock no daddy don't you realize they are already made fun of and called names..and that IS the bible they call them..not the name I gave them..
REPENT!![/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Oh my God - **edited** But I want to just say that the only name that my son is called is Joshua. Occasionally Josh. Or Buddy. Nobody has ever, nor WILL ever call him a [censored].**edited**

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I think that the BS + WH are woking th marriage builders principles and it must be working.
because he has no contact with you.

so it has to be that way.. I think you know that to keep and save his marriage it had to be done.

He evidently loves his wife very much and made a choice although he never should of crossed the line to begin with.

I am sure you will get a good settlement, what you deserve and it will be legal and you'll be all set and I guess you have your own child.

maybe your lucky hey don't sue you for allienation of affection from the wife, taking the husband away from her..it still works in some states..it all depends what state they live in.

I know it wa used in Virginia a couple years ago.
and then in colorado..I thought someone was doing it a few months ago, but i lost track of it.

well God bless you and you need him more then anyone else, He won't fail you..think about turning yourself over totally to the Lord go to a womens prayer meeting someplace and get healed..
Take care and hope it gets settled before the holidays..I bet it will..becauae no one likes to work the holidays..and I am sure you will be home for the holiday..with the baby..and a new life..

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I really try very hard not to get involved with these types of threads.
My grandson was born out of wedlock and he is the apple of my eyes.
I think that term [censored] is getting thrown around here WAY TOO MUCH !! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" />

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Okay this lady said she is from a different land....I GUESS SO.

Ya know Sad Eyes just because we can afford to work, does not mean that the uh should not be holding what he has to as well. I think most of "OW" can say we are glad that uh is out our lives. That does not mean our children are [censored] or anything else. They are CHIDREN OF GOD just as yours are. How do you not know that we are not raising our kids in the eyes of GOD. You are going around judging us and that is a MAJOR SIN. You my friend need to repent for that.

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sadeyes,,,,,, it is amazing to me how you seem to put all the blame on the harlot of an ow. what about the fact that these uh's arethe ones who are breaking their wedding vows. the same vows that they pledged to their w's in front of all their friends and GOD. and what is the punishment for their lies and stepping out on their w's? they have to work more so they can pay their cs and don't have as much time to cheat as before.

you seem to be just picking out the parts of the Bible that you feel are aplicable to your personal viewpoint.

you are advocating the judgement of all ow as quilty. regardless of circumstances. many of these ow were in fact lied to. many of these of these ow became pregnant by a separated mm.

you are not from another land it seems you are from out of this world.

men and women cheat in their marriages. men abd women lie to their spouses to cheat in thier marriages. men and women lie to each other about their marriage status and about birth control because they are weakened at the spur of the moment. birth control FAILS.

it is adults like you that will keep bigotry and hatred around for ever. you will teach your young ones to hate and belittle someone for having parents that they had no choice in choosing. in our family i have a grand daughter, a nephew, a son and now an oc all born out of wedlock or from another relationship other then the stereotypical marriage. they are of black, white, hispanic and who knows what else mix and match. they are all loved and cherished. our friends and family respect and treat them all the same.

remember people in glass houses should not cast stones and let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.

remember that God sacrificed his son, Jesus, to take away all our sins.

twilight,,,,, this is a perfect example of where you should not be concerned about mm or his bw. if they were resonable they would be working with you to get this settled. most ;ilely it could be done thru the court mediation and attorney's fees would be at a minimum. but nooooo, they won't even communicate and will probably end getting screwed by the courts. hope things turn out for the best for you and your son(?).

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thanks for bumping this up, I learned a lot by reading everyone's posts


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Hiding assets, or creative accounting to save family funds from leaving the family is important to many. I'm sure each state is different, so a good laywer will be able to help you here.

Separate on paper, quit claim deeds (as below),etc. They are all legal. Don't ever allow emotions to control your finances.

I know that some will see this as being unfair to the OC. So be it. None of this is fair and my children are innocent too.

But in many cases, the BW is sitting around feeling sorry for herself. Don't. Get out and get moving. Find out your rights. Do not spend the next 18 years of your life with someone else in control. Defend your home,your kids and yes, that means finances.

Some see this as bitter and mean spirited. Sorry, I don't see it that way. Maybe a BW who stands up and fights back terrifies some. My children come first. Their needs supercede any needs of the OW and her child.

My H and OW made that child, my kids will not pay for it. My H pays child support. But through the efforts of our attorney, all increases to salary are now paid out on a consulting basis, or sent directly to a retirement account. Retirement funds can't be touched. This is perfectly legal.

I know many feel it is unfair and cruel. However, this whole situation is cruel and hurtfull to many. The actions of the UH/OW have huge ripple effect. The OW see it as horribly unfair to her child to be denied. But what did they think? Is the UH supposed to welcome this child with open arms and embrace it? What about his wife and children at home? Their feelings matter too. I am sick to death of reading these OW saying that it is reality, and how the BW has to accpet the OC. Well the OW has to accept that the BW has a voice. She has feelings. She has rights. I read where OW do not want BW anywhere near the OC,as if the only person with rights is the OW. COME ON, GET REAL. The OW has to accept that her child, if the MM wants contact, will be involved with the BW.

Meandering here. Part of the destruction brought on by the EMR is that the OC will not necessarily be thought of in endearing terms. That the BW, by placing her childrens needs first, will probably "screw" the oc. To bad. That is the reality of the situation. The OW have to realize this. The reality is that the laws allow us to do such. The reality is that we, as a couple worked hard and your child will not benefit from it. CS is not a benefit, but necessary. Of that I would never disagree.

I am saddened by how many wives on here feel they don't have a voice. While you are going through this, you have a right to be heard. If your H insists on contact and you feel you just can't, tell him. Get the laywer, get CS for your kids, etc. Cause if he is willing to go against your wishes, again, your marriage will not likely last. POJA is a good idea. Both have to be on board or it is not a marriage.

I am saying protect yourselves. Don't sit back and be a victim. Fight back. Don't allow events to unfold without your active participation. It unerves people, to bad. This is your life. Your one and only life. Live it without hassles.

If you and your husband chose to participate in the life of OC. So be it. Just make sure that you are doing it cause you want to, not because anyone pressured you to. Look. We all know OC is innocent of any wrong doing. There is a reality here. The same reality that OW insist that the BW accept the situation, works the other way. OW has to accept that her child, no matter who the father is, in some cases is not going to be welcomed into the family, or ever become a part of it, etc.

Protecting assets is not greedy, it is not mean,it is vital to the financial well being and future of your family. Why do you take deductions at tax time? CAUSE IT IS LEGAL.

Don't allow soem OW or your UH or anyone ever tell you to handle finances with your emotions. That is the dumbest thing you could ever do. It is not wrong to protect your finances. You have insurance don't you? Isn't that to protect your financial future? When it comes to money, always use your head, never your heart.

Don't ever be afraid to stick up for yourself and your life and your children and your finances and your future. You have rights too. You have feelings that are just as valid as anyone else's in this mess. Don't allow anyone to tell you how you have to feel.

People on here think I am angry and bitter cause I protect my children? Cause I don't give a damm about OW? Maybe my words are not politically correct and coddling to some. Maybe my cavalier attitude to OC bothers others. But there is a reality here. This is my life, I am living it. I am not allowing some OW and the OC to direct how I live. I am working hard to save money for the future. If I am gone, then, making darn sure my children are taken care of. That is reality.

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I am sickened to think how many women came here for help and were told that to be "adult" they had to have contact. It does not have to be that way.

I am too, Lynn!! I am horrified to see all the Neville Chamberlains on this forum who believe it is "adult" to appease a terrorist. That is CRAZY. crazy You are one of the few real adults I see on this forum and I applaud you for taking bullets all these years. I hope you come back!


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I was gaslighted for 2 years.

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