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Yes...I told her it's an affair...told her about the 10,000 text messages that are mostly at night/early morning.
7 & 9 and yes they are at home.
I haven't decided if I should tell them or not
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I also told the OMW about the love poem and other emails that I intercepted
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Yes...I told her it's an affair...told her about the 10,000 text messages that are mostly at night/early morning.
7 & 9 and yes they are at home.
I haven't decided if I should tell them or not If you don't tell them, you can rest assured your wife will tell them lies. With you starring as the demon of that story. Your children should be definitely be told. Dr. Willard Harley, clinical psychologist and founder of Marriage Builders, on telling the children: The same can be said about telling children about an affair. My experience with the positive outcomes of hundreds of families where an affair has been exposed to children has led me to encourage a betrayed spouse not to fear such exposure. In fact, to mislead children, giving other false explanations as to why their parents are not getting along, causes children to be very confused. When they finally discover the truth, it sets an example to children that dishonesty is sometimes acceptable, making them the judge of when that might occur.
An affair is an attack on children as well as the betrayed spouse. And it's true that children are deeply affected by this form of irresponsible behavior. But it's the act of infidelity that causes children to suffer, not the exposure of it. Facts point us toward solutions. Illusion leads us astray. That's true for children as well as adults. here Q: So, you do suggest telling our 10 year old son? Is this more than he can handle? He never saw any real unhappiness as my husband and I had a very low conflict marriage. I have been protecting our son from this truth. He still has hope that his dad is going to come home. ___________________________________ A: As for your son, the truth will come out eventually, even if you get back together again. And your son won't be emotionally crippled if he hears the truth. It's lies and deception that cripple children. He should know that your husband is choosing his lover over his son's mother. It's a fact. He's willing to ruin a family unit all for what.
When I first started recommending openness about an affair, I wasn't sure what would happen. But I did it because I knew it was the right thing to do. Now I know that for most couples it marks the beginning of recovery. The reason that children should know about an affair is that exposing it to the light of day (letting everyone know), helps give the unfaithful spouse a dose of reality. An affair thrives on illusion, and whatever a betrayed spouse can do to eliminate the illusion is justifiable. Mold doesn't grow well in sunlight. 2. How honest should I be about the A? (they are 7 and under)
Tell your children as much as you can about their father's affair, and how it affects you. There are some counselors and lawyers that strongly disagree with me on this issue, but I have maintained that position for over 35 years without any evidence that children are hurt by it. They're hurt by the affair, not by accurate information regarding the affair. Just make sure that you don't combine accurate information with disrespectful judgments. For example, you can say that the OW has taken their father away from you, but you should not say that she is home-wrecker (or worse). My basic approach to life is that radical honesty is valuable on many different dimensions. It keeps us out of trouble, it helps others understand us, and it helps others avoid the same mistakes we have made. Letting your children know the details of your husband's affair would help them in all three areas.
The more your children know about your husband's affair, the more careful he will be to avoid them in the future.
The more your children know about his affair, the more they will understand what you are going through in your recovery (by the way, you are doing very well -- keep up the good work!).
Being radically honest about your husband's affair with your children would also help them avoid affairs themselves. How it happened and how could it have been prevented is a great object lesson for children. I learned that I was vulnerable for an affair when I learned about my grandfather's affairs. The extraordinary precautions I've taken were directly related to what I learned about him.
It's the approach I've always taken, and while it's difficult, especially for the WS, there's much more upside to it than downside.
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OK...now what do I tell them? I mean how should I word it?
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Keep it real simple; they're very young.
"Mommy and Daddy aren't getting along these days because Mommy has a boyfriend. That hurts me and makes me angry, because married people aren't supposed to have boyfriends or girlfriends. But, I still love Mommy even though right now she's hurting my feelings. And we both love you to pieces. If you have any questions you can always come ask me and I will be honest with you. You guys want pudding after dinner?"
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I told my kids something similar to what turtlehead said...
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well exposure is almost complete
OMW...done WW's best friend...done OM friends...done OM...done remaining WW's family...finishing up
Talked to OMW last night and she said she would tell her husband to back off completely. She was not comfortable with the "friendship" either.
Just looking at the cell records...278 texts since the time I believe OMW told him to stop contact.
I have heard nothing from WW but had a text exchange with WW's female BF and that's how I know that WW knows. I told WW's BF that I did in fact tell OMW.
Wife returns today from out of town...I left her favorite flowers in a vase with a "Welcome Back" card.
Should be a fun afternoon when I get home from work
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OMW agreed that WW and I can't work on our marriage with OM in picture as well
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WW BF was concerned that exposure could backfire and push them closer together...she is actually an advocate for our marriage...the BF is
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If your name is on the cell phone bill, turn off the texting feature, delete all contact info for OM on her phone, and see if you can block his number. Certain carriers will allow you to block a number.
She's like an addict or alcoholic, and that cell phone is her key to the liquor cabinet. Cut off access to OM for her.
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jlowes, I am concerned that the OMW does not understand this is an adulterous affair. Does she know this is not a "friendship," but is an affair?
Good job on exposure, btw!
The only thing I can add is to not go overboard on the cards and flowers gig. That is a very ODD reaction to the discovery of an affair and seems like you are REWARDING her for abusing you. She needs to see your SADNESS and DISAPPOINTMENT. That would be more appropriate.
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Telling someone that their spouse is having an affair is a very sobering experience to say the least.
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Telling someone that their spouse is having an affair is a very sobering experience to say the least. I agree! It is a horrible experience. You DID tell her this is an AFFAIR, right? I am concerned that she does not understand this is not just a "friendship."
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Yes...OMW knows that this is an affair...thousands of texts, love poem, and other emails and such.
I would have gotten her flowers regardless of the timing of the exposure...the flowers/card are actually from all of us...me and the kids.
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No...she absolutely agrees this is beyond a friendship...she said that she would call me today to talk so we can compare notes
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Yes...OMW knows that this is an affair...thousands of texts, love poem, and other emails and such.
I would have gotten her flowers regardless of the timing of the exposure...the flowers/card are actually from all of us...me and the kids. I would be sure and let her know how very upset and disappointed you and the kids are about her adultery. She needs to understand that her behavior is hurtful and intolerable. I would DEMAND that she end her affair. If she does not find out about these exposures, I would be sure and TELL her that everyone knows and ask her to send the OM a no contact letter today.
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From the new book by Dr. Harley Effective Marriage Counseling pg 94:
"Granted, there are situations when demands may be necessary in marriage. During a spouse's affair, for example, I recommend that the betrayed spouse demand there be no contact with the lover. If there is continued contact, separation or even divorce would be the logical consequence. While normally demands don't work, in this case there are no reasonable alternatives because thoughtful requests are even less likely to separate lovers."
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No...she absolutely agrees this is beyond a friendship...she said that she would call me today to talk so we can compare notes Great!! She can be an excellent ally in killing this affair.
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WW knows that the OMW told OM to stop...I'm sure OM told WW.
WW told BF then BF and I had a text exchange about it.
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