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You don't know what I am doing! That is my point. We have been in marriage counseling twice a week for six months. I have attended multiple marriage conferences, I have sought counseling for my children, read numerous books, and I foolishly came here. This does not even address all the research I have done online on rebuilding my marriage! You are absolutely right in that I have made many mistakes... As has my husband. I am not in denial about how damaged things are! I simply wanted to know what steps others took to recover. But once again, everyone here was far too concerned about character assasination rather than just offering suggestions on what helped them heal. THAT is what I asked for. Either way, I have found peace in the last couple of days about my commitment to my marriage. Yes I am certain I have a long road ahead of me, but I am ready.

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And yes, the vows we made have become more important. Similar to how your health becomes more important when you don't feel well. Again, I do not claim either of us have been the ideal spouse.

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Originally Posted by Jaded815
You don't know what I am doing! That is my point. We have been in marriage counseling twice a week for six months. I have attended multiple marriage conferences, I have sought counseling for my children, read numerous books, and I foolishly came here. This does not even address all the research I have done online on rebuilding my marriage!


So, what ARE you doing? Reading and research and therapy is all nice and good but it isn't ACTION.

Have you apologized and repented to the victims of your sins (your ex husband and children)? Have you attempted to make up for your mistakes?

Have you humbled yourself so that you can be teachable?

Have you read the basic concepts here that were developed by the man who has saved THOUSANDS of marriages, including those from affairs?

Have you sat at the feet and taken the advice of those who have been where you are and done what you've done? Or have you berated them for not telling you what you want to hear?

Are you taking ACTION, or are you going through the motions, patting yourself on the back about all the good books you're reading and being defensive towards people who tell you the truth?

What, EXACTLY, are you DOING?

I think I'm gonna take a page out of Pep's book - come back when you've read SAA and looked through the basic concepts and have questions about implementing them.


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Within three days of this affair I left my then husband for the man I am married to now. We have been together three years now.

In that time there have been a series of betrayals by my husband. Because it is important to my inability to move on, I want to list the major ones.

� kept and hid a homemade porn with his ex (and in my opinion the woman who still has his heart) after I moved in. I found it, watched it, and threw it away. He was furious.

� got mad at me and told me he considered calling his ex. I told him I would be devastated if he did. Within a week he picked a fight and not only called her, but took her out for drinks at "our bar." He admitted he would have slept with her if he had the chance. He contacted her once more after that.

� We took a road trip to see another ex of his and by the end of the night he was wasted. We were all in a hot tub and he kept putting his face in her boobs and grabbing her crotch and flat out refused to sit by me. I convinced him to get out and go upstairs to change. He was too drunk to pull up his pants so I left him exposed and went downstairs to advise his ex of my plight. She walks upstairs and goes to the room where he lay nude and locked the door. They did not emerge for over 20 minutes. He says he can't remember anything but thinks they might have kissed.

� He has contacted several other exes when we are fighting despite promises he won't do it again.

� after all this, we got married.

� less than 9 months into our marriage, we got into a huge fight and he ended up going to stay at a friends apartment. The next morning he called and the number on caller ID was another woman. I begged him to come home and he refused. He spent all day with this girl (who by the way is a stripper) getting wasted. He always swore nothing happened other than he slept next to her, danced with her, etc. I decided to contact her and though she denied actual intercourse admitted she gave him oral sex.



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Originally Posted by Jaded815
Maybe you should learn a little about love, compassion, forgiveness and grace. That is what I'm after...

Super!

Go get those things from your wonderful husband.[Linked Image from millan.net]
And, stop complaining about him.
He is who he is.
As is.
You have no problems.



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Originally Posted by chrisner
"Never reinforce defeat." - Napoleon I

"Never smell defeat" - Chrisner

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Absolutely I have apologized for the hurt I caused to my ex and my children!

Yes I have read Love Busters, His Needs, Her Needs, Fall in Love, Stay in Love, and Surviving an affair.

I tried to come to those I thought had been through something similar, of which you are apparently not one.

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That is exactly what I intend to do. Learn to love my husband and forgive him as I have been forgiven by my savior. Sorry I asked for suggestions on how to do this. I am not going to engage any further with any of you. I am a good person who has made some horrible choices but I am only worried about judgement from one. Thank you.

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But I am and you totally ignored me til I hit a nerve. I just read through all of your previous posts and they gave no indication that your WH had repented or was willing to try to change or that you had been trying to recover your M for months. We asked you those questions and we replied based on the information that you gave us. Most of us have gotten through the healing process very successfully.

Obviously nothing that you have been doing for the last six months or so has worked or you wouldn't be here. Once I had read all of the books that you say you have read, I applied the principles and began to recover my M with the help of all of these good people who selflessly give of their time to help others get through something that they have already navigated. I am eternally grateful to them. They are generous and kind and have unbelievable experience and common sense. They are tuff because some people need to be slapped around before they see the light. Others get their feathers ruffled and leave to deal with false recoveries and more adultery on their own.

Your choice.

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I am not going to engage any further with any of you.

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And, farewell, friends;
Thus Thisby ends:
Adieu, adieu, adieu.


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Stop the personal attacks or this thread will be locked! It's ok to disagree with posters, it is not ok to attack them.


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Sorry, Jaded but your whole story has changed since you began to post again. Why is it that you think that revealing that your WH is broken and willing to do anything to repair his M would be like throwing meat in a lions den but don't feel that giving sordid details of one of the most horrendous marital abuse by adultery stories that I have ever heard is not?

As for the Christianity...I access actions not words when determining if someone has a personal relationship with Christ. I would not have known if you had not told me. You are correct, that is between you and Him. I pray you do. Sorry for the DJ there.

Six months is not long in the big pic of R but I would think that in asking for help, the first thing that I would do is to tell what else we had tried. Just sayin...

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I typed a VERY long post on an iPod touch. It took forever to write just what I did. There are many other details that I did not include initially that I certainly would have elaborated on had I not felt it was simply going to be scoffed at. I was simply trying to give you all an idea of what we had been through so everyone knew what we were up against.

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Originally Posted by Jaded815
I am a Christian woman and intend to keep my vows of "until death do us part."

Christianity does not teach "until death do us part" with adulterers and adulteresses. Right out of the mouth of Jesus Himself, in red letters, the Bible says that a betrayed spouse may divorce.

Please try not to be more holy than the Lord teaches; it sounds like you are casting judgment on others who follow Him.


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Originally Posted by Jaded815
You don't know what I am doing! That is my point. We have been in marriage counseling twice a week for six months. I have attended multiple marriage conferences, I have sought counseling for my children, read numerous books, and I foolishly came here. This does not even address all the research I have done online on rebuilding my marriage! You are absolutely right in that I have made many mistakes... As has my husband. I am not in denial about how damaged things are! I simply wanted to know what steps others took to recover. But once again, everyone here was far too concerned about character assasination rather than just offering suggestions on what helped them heal. THAT is what I asked for. Either way, I have found peace in the last couple of days about my commitment to my marriage. Yes I am certain I have a long road ahead of me, but I am ready.
Jade, I have read through your entire post and I think there are a lot of people that are trying to help you. I was wondering why you didn't post at the very beginning that you have been working on recovery for 6 months. I had the same thoughts as a lot of other posters because you only gave certain information. Other important information that you could give that would help us see the whole picture are... When was the last affair? Is he practicing full transparency? Do you have all his passwords? Is he still drinking? If you can give us that information we may be able to help you in your quest to recover. Sometimes you are not going to like what someone posts but if you take the good with the bad you may find your answers.


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Originally Posted by Jaded815
Some day you are all going to end up leading someone desperate for support to drastic measures.

Do you realize that you are talking to people who, every day, lead people desperate for support ... to support, healing, and marriage recovery? They do it every day. Over and over again. They know what works, and what doesn't.


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Originally Posted by Jaded815
I typed a VERY long post on an iPod touch. It took forever to write just what I did. There are many other details that I did not include initially that I certainly would have elaborated on had I not felt it was simply going to be scoffed at. I was simply trying to give you all an idea of what we had been through so everyone knew what we were up against.

So, before you made even your first post you "felt it was simply going to be scoffed at." Why is that?


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