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I do want to add that while my A was going on, even though I thought OM was my "soul-mate," and had fulfilling SF, all was NOT well. I managed to lose 50 pounds in less than 6 months because I couldn't eat and only managed to get at most 3-4 ours of sleep each night...so not everything was peachy. I had panic/anxiety attacks during the day, and it was everything I could do to just get out of bed in the mornings and go to work and take care of my kids (none of which I did very well). I was like a drug addict, only my drug of choice was OM.

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Originally Posted by pianogal01
I do want to add that while my A was going on, even though I thought OM was my "soul-mate," and had fulfilling SF, all was NOT well. I managed to lose 50 pounds in less than 6 months because I couldn't eat and only managed to get at most 3-4 ours of sleep each night...so not everything was peachy.


{{{{{{{{{{{{{pianogirl}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} God Bless you for listening to us! And please sit down immediately and plan out that 20 hours per week of undivided attention. Dr Harley won't even counsel a couple who won't commit to this because he says his program WON'T WORK without it.

And I know why things were bad when you were in your affair: you were violating your conscience. It is hard to beat down your conscience every day. THAT leads to depression and heartsickness that the addiction cannot cover. Even alcoholics cannot drown out the pain of a wounded conscience. Affairees are always depressed and plagued with extreme highs and lows.

But you won't have that issue when you develop a healthy, enjoyable sex life with your own husband. Your conscience will be at peace. smile


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Originally Posted by pianogal01
We decided together yesterday that we were going to stop counseling (both IC and MC) for a while and try to focus on doing the things in these books. We plan on buying Lovebusters and reading it as well because we are very good at making things worse through lovebusting each other on a regular basis.

PG, I would also get the workbook that comes with it. Those worksheets are a fabulous tool for the lessons. They charge around $10 for it. There is also a Basic Concepts DVD that he sells cheap that we liked. [$9]


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Originally Posted by MelodyLane
Originally Posted by pianogal01
We decided together yesterday that we were going to stop counseling (both IC and MC) for a while and try to focus on doing the things in these books. We plan on buying Lovebusters and reading it as well because we are very good at making things worse through lovebusting each other on a regular basis.

PG, I would also get the workbook that comes with it. Those worksheets are a fabulous tool for the lessons. They charge around $10 for it. There is also a Basic Concepts DVD that he sells cheap that we liked. [$9]


I'm going to have to call the 800 number. The bookstore is not allowing me to add all the items to my cart. Thanks for the advice/information, MelodyLane. I really appreciate your help.

I wish we could find a marriage counselor around here that knew Harley's concepts and approach. Seems like we need some accountability/coaching during this process....Harley's sessions are pricey. Our MC was in our insurance network and we only had to pay a $15 copay. And while we are not in dire financial straits at this point, we accumulated a great deal of credit card debt while separated and are trying to pay it off. If we had to pay for sessions with Harley, then that would impair our ability to do things for UA time...in order for us to do UA time, we have to hire a babysitter and get out of the house with 2 kids (a 2 year old and 11 year old)...or stay up REALLY late, which is really not a good option. Neither of us have family close by for "free" babysitting.

I even had a thought about buying the "Effective Marriage Counseling" book and give it to our MC...but I am afraid that would overstep the lines and he might find it offensive. I feel like our MC has good intentions and wants to help, but has been at a loss for quite some time and afraid to admit it.

So is it possible to successfully apply these concepts/principles on our own...without any coaching/accountability?

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So is it possible to successfully apply these concepts/principles on our own...without any coaching/accountability?

My FWH and I do it all the time. One thing you've got to watch: this is a marathon, not a sprint. You can't just read some books and fill out a questionnaire and poof! everything's peachy keen. You need to work on this every day, and build the MB language into your lifestyle. My H and I talk about what we're going to do about a typical situation, and when we agree on a course of action, we actually say "Do we have a POJA?" It definitely can be done. Just remain very conscious of each others' needs and the time you need to devote to each other.

Your M is your most precious asset. Treat it as such and everything else will fall into place.

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Originally Posted by pianogal01
[So is it possible to successfully apply these concepts/principles on our own...without any coaching/accountability?

Oh yes! If you are scrupulous about reading the chapters and doing the corresponding worksheets, you can do very well on your own. The next critical thing will be to learn how to use the POJA. This will be a biggie in your marriage.

Also, go follow Soolees thread over on MB101 about the book Lovebusters. They read a chapter every week and and then discuss it.

One way you can get a head start on eliminating lovebusters is read the book on lovebusters and then take the lovebusters questionaires and exchange them.

Before you guys discuss your questionaires, I would really let this concept sink in:

Originally Posted by Dr Harley
While your relationship may be improving, it won't lead to a romantic relationship because you are not being transparent toward each other. Unspoken issues in a marital relationship lead to a superficiality that ruins romance.

It is tempting to hold things back that make you unhappy about the other, but if you give into that temptation, the issue causing the unhappiness will never be resolved. It took my H alot of convincing to GET this point.


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Originally Posted by pianogal01
[If we had to pay for sessions with Harley, then that would impair our ability to do things for UA time...in order for us to do UA time, we have to hire a babysitter and get out of the house with 2 kids (a 2 year old and 11 year old)...or stay up REALLY late, which is really not a good option. Neither of us have family close by for "free" babysitting.

Good thinking!! hurray


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Originally Posted by pianogal01
[If we had to pay for sessions with Harley, then that would impair our ability to do things for UA time...in order for us to do UA time, we have to hire a babysitter and get out of the house with 2 kids (a 2 year old and 11 year old)...or stay up REALLY late, which is really not a good option. Neither of us have family close by for "free" babysitting.

Good thinking!! hurray

Yepper. Do what you've gotta do, girlfriend. Consider:a large pizza and pop, delivered to your house: $20.00. Movie rental for kidlings & sitter: $5.00. Babysitter: $15-20. Total: $45.00.

OR: Litigation: $45.00 per hour for paralegal, $125.00 per hour for attorney. Court visits/lost work (est.): $3,000.00. Time spent arguing over visitation (est.): $2,500.00. Time spent by attorney tracking down child support: Okay - I'll stop here because I think you get my drift.

Your M is worth it.

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pgal,

This is wonderful news! I'm so glad to hear you guys are doing this program together!

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So is it possible to successfully apply these concepts/principles on our own...without any coaching/accountability?

PG01

It is indeed possible to apply these concepts on your own. In fact, Mark1952 did it without even the support of his wife, at first! smile The forum is a particular help because we can help you see what you are missing when you think you are doing everything right and yet somehow something's still not working. (They did it for me!)

MelodyLane's suggestion to get the workbook is particularly a good idea for you. Just looking at those sheets will give you an idea of what you need to do to put everything into practice. Get to the copy shop and make weeks' worth of copies, and start filling them out religiously. I suggest taking one chapter of Love Busters per week and putting it into practice, adding the appropriate worksheets for that chapter (some sheets are weekly; some are one-time only). Then do the same for HNHN.

I also suggest getting a copy of Fall in Love Stay in Love and each of you reading it.

I could make millions more suggestions on what to read and buy. wink But that is my best one. You might still consider the marriage counseling book because it gives you a lot of great insight into the program.


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Suggestion for you P-gal. As you read the books (assuming that you are sharing one set of books) as you read, highlight stuff with colored highlighters. You use a pink highlighter and have your husband use a blue highlighter. Just hit anything you feel is important.

When you get done reading you will have three sets of things to work on, the ones in pink that are important to you, the blue ones that matter to him and the purple ones that you both need to think more about.

This process works especially well with Love Busters and HNHN.

FILSIL is a really good synopsis of the entire program in one book and for some that might be all that is needed, to learn and identify the individual parts but for most of us, the detail in HNHN and Love busters is necessary to help us understand it enough to actually pull it off on a day to day basis.

I think the real secret to making this stuff work is that you both are willing to make adjustments and adapt to each other. The way we get into trouble in our marriage is by failing to do things that make us compatible and refusing to change our own behaviors that hurt our spouse. Instead we begin to hide things. I might hide something from my wife that I know she wouldn't approve of or she will fail to inform me that something I did caused a negative emotional response in her.

You have to both remain willing to give and receive feedback and keep the process going and not just make things like they were and try to coast. We hit the place where we had a marriage just about like it was before the affair a little over a year after it ended. We didn't hit an even better version until well beyond two years and since we got over the hump, it has been getting better all along.

Dr Harley says that whenever we attempt to resolve conflict, preserving and protecting our love for each other must be our top priority. This means that avoiding doing anything at all that hurts our spouse or that takes love units from their love bank must be more important than finding the resolution to our conflict. It is more important to avoid hurting each other than to fix the problem. It goes against everything almost every relationship guru has ever taught, but it is more important to keep loving each other than it is to solve every problem we have.

One of the secrets I can give you is that all of the MB program becomes easier once both of you actually understand just one thing. There is pretty much nothing I can do that doesn't either make my wife love me more or make her love me less. No matter what I do, it either adds to her Love Bank or takes from it. Even silly little things like what I have for lunch when she isn't there might affect her.

This means I must be willing to stop doing anything at all that bothers her and she must be willing to tell me anything at all that bothers her. I can't adjust if I don't know I need tweaking. It's up to her to let me know how what I do affects her and up to me to see to it that I stop doing those things that annoy or hurt her.

Everything is open to POJA, even my lunch. If the garlic is still on my breath at 7 that night from a 12:30 lunch at the pizza place and she doesn't like it, then I need to find a way to stop the annoying behavior. I might be able to negotiate something as simple as brushing my teeth before coming home to her or as soon as I walk in the door, but I can't just tell her that eating pizza is my right and refuse to address the problem.

I think one trick to making MB a DIY project is that while both of you must be willing to actually do the things you learn, one person must be "driving" at any given time. That means, there really does need to be a leader who keeps the whole thing on course and rolling forward. At some point, a switch of roles might be possible, but if one of you sees a slip in actual progress then you really need to figure out a way to get things going again.

We tend to reach a point where "good enough is good enough" and want to coast along. One or both of us can reach that point and tell ourselves we're just going to sit down here and rest a little before moving on. The problem is that we end up taking a nap and then deciding to just stay right there and not get back to the hard parts because they really do make us uncomfortable at times. It must be agreed upon by both that if either of you falls into this pattern the other can kick you in the butt to get you going again. If it doesn't happen, progress stops and we start to slide back into old habits of conflict avoidance, sacrifice/resentment cycles and independent behavior.

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Thanks for all the encouragement everyone. I'm sure I will have lots of questions as we get the ball rolling. I thank you ahead of time for your support! If anyone has any more tips/advice, I welcome all the input. I want to do this right :-)


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PG, one other thing I thought of is avoiding compromise when you make up your acitivities for your undivided attention time. I will post my experience in avoiding this pitfall:

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He loves Chinese and I love Mexican food. He hates Mexican and I hate Chinese. Lets say we practice a "compromise" and we go for Mexican one night and Chinese the next night. That means that I will be unhappy on one night and he will be unhappy the next because we are each gaining at the others EXPENSE for one night.

This is called sacrifice. And it leads to incompatibility and resentment. It leads to incompatibility because people won't do things that make themselves unhappy for long. I might go for Chinese 3 or 4 times and tolerate that nasty food, but pretty soon I will be finding reasons to AVOID going out to eat and he will be resentful, because people who practice sacrifice KEEP SCORE. He will be mad because I "OWE" him a Chinese night to pay for his MExican night.

The solution recommended by Marriage Builders avoids all that. Instead of going to ANY restaurant that one spouse doesn't like, the solution is to find a restaurant that BOTH LOVE. Mexican and Chinese are completely OFF our lists. In it's place is a list of restaurants we both like. This solution builds compatibility because it ensures we are BOTH happy.

And I did learn the HARD way that the agreement has to be enthusiastic. If the other person agrees reluctantly to avoid conflict, you have missed the point because the result will still be unhappiness which will lead to incompatibility.


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pianogirl, at the risk of overwhelming you, I thought this article that Pepperband just posted was PERFECT for your situation:

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How to Create Your Own Plan to Resolve Conflicts
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Without an effective plan of action, it's unlikely that you will achieve your objectives in life -- and that's particularly true of marital objectives. Yet, marriage is an area of our lives where effective planning is often regarded as unnecessary. Couples usually believe that they should be guided by their instincts whenever they have a conflict.

Regarding emotional needs in a marriage, most spouses believe that couples should do for each other what they "feel" like doing. If there is no interest in meeting a particular need, it should simply go unmet. The idea that a spouses should create a plan to become experts at meeting each other's most important emotional needs, whether or not there is "interest" in meeting those needs, seems to go against marital intuition.

Intuition also prevails in most couples' efforts to resolve conflicts. Instead of resolving their marital conflicts by creating and implementing a well conceived plan, they revert to their primitive instincts -- demands, disrespect and anger -- to try to resolve their conflicts. These instincts not only fail to provide them with long-term solutions, but they also destroy the feeling of love. Because couples don't know any better, they keep using demands, disrespect and anger to try to resolve their marital conflicts until their love for each other turns into hate.

The purpose of the Marriage Builders; web site is to help you to create and implement a plan to resolve your conflicts in a way that will restore and sustain your love for each other. While many of my suggestions run counter to intuition, hundreds of thousands of couples have found that they work if they are willing to create a plan using my Basic Concepts. My Basic Concepts introduce you to my perspective on marriage, and how I go about creating plans that help make marriages successful. Then, my Q&A Columns give you examples of how to use my Basic Concepts to help create plans that solve a variety of marital problems. I also offer a Forum where you can discuss your situation with others who are creating plans that resolve conflicts and restore love to their marriages. Finally, if all else fails, I provide telephone counseling to those who feel they need special help with the creation and implementation of a plan to overcome their marital problems.

Ultimately, I hope you will create a plan to resolve your conflicts and restore love to your marriage. And then, of course, I hope you follow that plan so that you will actually experience the marriage I believe all couples should have. Without such a plan and its implementation, it's unlikely that you will achieve these important objectives. Insight into your problem is an important beginning, and my Basic Concepts will help give you that insight. But without action, insight is useless.

Restoring Love versus Resolving Conflicts

Before I discuss with you some of the details of a well-conceived plan to resolve conflicts and restore your love for each other, I will focus attention on the highest priority of such a plan -- restoring love.

I know of no marriage, including my own, that is free of conflict. That's because every couple is made up of two distinctly different people, with different experiences, interests and emotional predispositions. Regardless of the compatibility a couple creates in marriage, a husband and wife will always have somewhat different perspectives, and those differences will create conflict. Conflicts over money, careers, in-laws, sex, child rearing, and a host of other common marital issues are part of the experience of being married.

Some couples feel that if they could only rid themselves of certain conflicts, they would be happy together. But I've discovered that marriages can be terrific in spite of conflicts, even when some of them are never fully resolved. The difference between couples who live in marital bliss and those who regret ever having met each other is not found in whether or not they are free of conflict -- it's found in whether or not they are in love with each other.

From my years of experience trying to save marriages, I have come to the conclusion that the goal of restoring and sustaining love in marriage is much more important than the goal of resolving conflicts.
Ultimately, of course, both goals are important, but by making love my highest priority, I found myself rejecting many popular approaches to conflict resolution because they tend to sacrifice a couple's love for each other. The way I now encourage couples to resolve their conflicts is to only use procedures that will also build their love.

Most marriage counselors are so focused on conflict resolution that they forget about building a couple's love for each other. But it's easy to understand why they tend to ignore the feelings of love -- the couples they see usually want help in resolving their conflicts, not restoring their love. It's the couples themselves that usually fail to see the importance of being in love. And when the loss of love really is the issue, couples rarely believe it can be restored, at least to the level it once was. They think that if their conflicts are resolved, and they are given the freedom to create independent lifestyles, they will be able to survive their marriage. They feel that all marriages eventually lose passion, but when that happens a husband and wife can still remain married if they are "mature" enough.

If you have seen a marriage counselor, and have been disappointed with the results, it's probably because you've spent all of your time trying to resolve your marital conflicts instead of restoring your love for each other. Even if you made progress in resolving some of your conflicts, you still may have been unhappy with your marriage. I receive letters regularly from those who find that they want to divorce in spite of a peaceful relationship. Even when a husband and wife are each other's best friends, they often divorce when the passion is gone.

That's one of the most confusing aspects of popular approaches to martial therapy, and it should raise a red flag to those who use them. When the goals of conflict resolution are achieved in counseling, why does the couple often divorce anyway? There seems to be something more to marriage than just resolving conflicts successfully.


Don't get me wrong, though. I believe that conflict resolution is important in marriage, and I go to a great deal of trouble to help couples resolve their conflicts. But couples who are happily married do more than resolve their conflicts, they also preserve their feeling of love for each other. And without being in love, marriage just doesn't seem right.

When a couple asks me to help them with their marriage, unresolved conflicts usually abound. And they present their marital problems to me as a litany of failures to resolve those conflicts. But as I probe the depth of their despair, conflicts are not usually the greatest source of their hopelessness. One spouse, and sometimes both of them, tell me that it is their lost feeling of love and passion for the other that bothers them the most. They don't believe that feeling will ever return, and without that feeling, they do not want to be married to their spouse. Their greatest feeling of hopelessness is about their lost love, not their inability to resolve conflicts.

That's why I learned early in my experience as a marriage counselor that restoring the feeling of love was far more important than resolving marital conflicts. In order to be completely happy with their marriage, the couple must find the love for each other that they lost. Since the approaches to conflict resolution I was taught actually caused a loss of love, I had to reject most of the training I had received as a marriage counselor, and create an entirely new system, one that would resolve conflicts and restore love at the same time.

The core concept of my new system was the "Love Bank." It helped me show the couples I counseled how their love for each other was created and destroyed. This is how I explained this important concept to these couples:

Each of us has a Love Bank and everyone we know has a separate account. It's the way our emotions keep track of the way people treat us. When treated well by someone, and we associate that person with good feelings, love units are deposited into his or her account in our Love Bank. But when treated badly by that person, love units are withdrawn from the Love Bank. When a person's balance is high, we like that person. But if a person withdraws more love units than he or she deposits, and the balance is in the red, we dislike that person.

The feeling of love is experienced when the Love Bank balance reaches a certain threshold. When enough love units are deposited to break through that threshold (I call it the "romantic love" threshold), we are in love with whoever holds that account in our Love Bank. But when the balance falls below that threshold, the feeling of being "in love" is lost. And when the Love Bank withdrawals exceed deposits enough to break through a certain negative threshold, we hate the person holding that account.

Our emotional reactions to people -- liking and disliking, loving and hating -- are not determined by will, they are determined by Love Bank balances. And Love Bank balances are determined by the way people treat us.

Once you understand the role of the Love Bank in determining your feelings for each other in marriage, you become aware of the fact that your spouse's feelings for you are determined by how you have been treating your spouse. If you want your spouse to be in love with you, you must deposit enough love units to break through the romantic love threshold. If your spouse wants you to be in love with him or her, your spouse must deposit enough love units into your Love Bank.

Almost everything that you and your spouse do is either depositing or withdrawing love units. Since most of what you do is by habit, repeated again and again, your habits either deposit love units continually, or they withdraw them continually. That's why your habits play such a crucial role in the creation or destruction of your love for each other.

So the feeling of love can last a lifetime for a couple if they apply two lessons: 1) avoid withdrawing love units and 2) keep depositing them. It's just that simple. All it takes is maintaining Love Bank balances above the romantic love threshold.

Creating a Plan to Restore Love and Resolve Conflicts

Throughout my professional career, I have helped couples create a plan to build Love Bank balances. After helping literally thousands of couples prepare and execute these plans, I got around to writing books on the subject. That way, couples could restore their love for each other by simply following my advice in a book, rather than consulting with me personally. The books I wrote help couples create a plan that apply these two lessons that I just described to their marriages.

I wrote Love Busters to help couples with the first lesson: avoiding the withdrawal of love units by learning to identify and eliminate destructive behavior that I call "Love Busters." I wrote His Needs, Her Needs to help couples with the second lesson: depositing love units by identifying and learning the best ways to make each other happy -- meeting each others' most important emotional needs.

These two books, Love Busters and His Needs, Her Needs, contain contracts, questionnaires, inventories, worksheets and other forms that couples use to create a plan of action. But they're reduced in size and often incomplete in these books because of space limitations.

In response to many requests for the full-sized forms, I compiled a workbook, Five Steps to Romantic Love. It contains not only the forms described in my two books, but also many others that I have used to help couples with their plan to create and sustain romantic love.

I have grouped these forms into a five-step sequence that can guide your own personal plan to restore love to your marriage. They will also help you resolve conflicts, but you will learn to resolve them in a way that sustains your love.

The First Step in building romantic love is to make a commitment to do just that. Problems are not solved by chance: Chance creates problems. So if you want to keep love in your marriage, you must commit yourselves to that purpose. I designed the form, Agreement to Overcome Love Busters and Meet the Most Important Emotional Needs, to spell out very clearly what it takes to guarantee romantic love. In essence, it commits you to follow the remaining four steps.

The Second Step is to identify habits that threaten to destroy romantic love. As I explain in the first chapter of Love Busters, it's pointless to build romantic love if you persist in habits that undermine your effort. I designed the Analysis of Love Busters Questionnaire to help you identify these destructive habits. When you and your spouse have accurately completed this questionnaire, you'll know how you've been destroying romantic love.

The Third Step is to create and execute a plan that eliminates the Love Busters you identified in the second step. Chapters two through six in Love Busters introduce and describe each of the five Love Busters. They also suggest methods to help you eliminate them. Most of the forms in this section of the workbook are described in these chapters and are designed to help you overcome Love Busters systematically.

There are three forms to help you overcome each Love Buster: First there is an inventory to identify the bad habits. Then there is a form to document the strategy you've chosen to eliminate them. Finally, a worksheet helps you document progress toward your goal.

The most common Love Busters -- anger, disrespect and demands -- are the way we instinctively go about trying to resolve marital conflicts. But these approaches to problem solving are not only ineffective, they also destroy the feeling of love. In the second half of Love Busters, I show how conflicts should be resolved, by finding a solution that takes the interests and feelings of both spouses into account simultaneously. Once you learn to abandon anger, disrespect and demands, and search for solutions that take the feelings of both of you into account, you will find conflicts much easier to resolve. But even while they are unresolved, you will remain in love with each other until you find a solution.

When you've conquered Love Busters, you're ready for the Fourth Step to romantic love: Identifying the most important emotional needs.

The way to deposit the most love units is to meet the most important emotional needs. It's when these needs are met that love units cascade into the Love Bank and romantic love blossoms. The Analysis of Emotional Needs Questionnaire, found in His Needs, Her Needs, is printed in a larger, more convenient form in the workbook. It's designed to help you identify and communicate your most important emotional needs to each other.

The Fifth Step to romantic love is learning to meet the needs you identified in step four. There's a chapter in His Needs, Her Needs that describes each of the ten most common emotional needs (chapters 3-12). Methods I've used to help couples learn to meet these needs are also included in these chapters. The forms I use to help couples achieve these goals are printed in the workbook.

These forms are generally arranged in a logical sequence. First, behavior likely to meet each need is identified in an inventory. Second, a strategy to learn to meet the need is planned and documented. Third, progress toward the achievement of the goal is recorded on a worksheet.

The forms in Five Steps to Romantic Love will help you 1) make a commitment to create and sustain romantic love, 2) identify habits that destroy romantic love, 3) overcome those Love Busters, 4) identify the most important emotional needs and 5) learn to meet them. They are designed to turn insight into action. Insight is good place to begin, but it's what you do with that insight that ultimately solves your problem.

If you can complete these five steps to romantic love, you will have created and implemented your own plan to restore love to your marriage. These forms found in the workbook will help you understand what you need to do to create a fulfilling marriage. All you need is the motivation to carry out your own plan.

But if you cannot follow your own program as evidenced by your failure to complete assignments, then I suggest that you find a therapist who can help motivate you to achieve these goals you have set for yourselves. Bring the worksheets found in Five Steps to Romantic Love with you when you consult your therapist, and have him or her guide you to a successful completion.

In your effort to restore and sustain romantic love, you will discover a new way to resolve your marital conflicts. You will look for solutions that deposit love units into both of your Love Banks simultaneously. Solutions that make one of you happy at the other's expense (win-lose solutions), will not build your love, but rather will cause one spouse to lose love for the other. So you will learn to continue negotiating until you have found solutions that meet with your mutual agreement (win-win solutions). That way you both deposit love units whenever a problem is solved.

You will learn to negotiate without the Love Busters, anger, disrespect and demands. That way the process of coming to an agreement will deposit love units along with the solution itself. Sadly, many couples use Love Busters as a way to try to come to an agreement, making the agreement much more difficult and causing a loss of love every time they try to resolve a conflict.

Sustained romantic love is a litmus test of your care and protection of each other. Care is nothing more than meeting each other's important emotional needs and protection is accommodating each other's feelings in what you do each day. Your marriage will be passionate and fulfilling if both you and your spouse create and follow a plan that guarantees care and protection. It's well worth the effort.


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Loved the article, Melody...but I am a tad overwhelmed. I feel very hopeful. And re-reading this thread, I THINK, that the first thing that needs to be done is starting on the 20 hours UA, right? Tell me if I am wrong...

I finally figured out how to get the bookstore to work right, so I ordered:

Lovebusters
5 Steps to Romantic Love Workbook
Basic Concepts DVD
Fall in Love Stay in Love

We already have:
Surviving an Affair
His Needs, Her Needs

I guess I am just confused about the SEQUENCE of things...You said that since I have SF problems because I wasn't "in love" romantically with my H and developed an aversion to SF, I would assume that this problem needs to be fixed first??????? I know there's no fast track to recovery, but I just need to know where exactly we need to start in order for BOTH of us to feel good about where we are going physically and emotionally.

I see why there is no private messaging allowed here, but there are a few more personal questions that I am not really comfortable asking on these public boards....

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Originally Posted by pianogal01
Loved the article, Melody...but I am a tad overwhelmed. I feel very hopeful. And re-reading this thread, I THINK, that the first thing that needs to be done is starting on the 20 hours UA, right? Tell me if I am wrong...

This is exactly right. Schedule out your UA time and start doing that right now. Focus on making your time together as pleasant as possible without lovebusters.

And you can email me at ohmelodylane@aol.com. Just keep in mind, that I am a poster just like you and can only share what I have learned myself.


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Hi Pianogal,

You have hit the nail on the head that the 20 hours of UA time is crucial and needs to be started first. My DH and I began to impliment that immediately following D-day when we barely knew what our own ENs were much less each others.

When we spend at least 15 hours of UA time together, my #1 EN is SF. If we neglect UA, SF slips down a few notches because I have no interest in SF when I don't feel "in love" with my DH. I don't feel in love when I don't feel emotionally close to DH. I don't feel emotionally close to DH when he is not fullfilling my EN. He does not fullfill my ENs when we don't spend at least 15 UA hours together. It is a viscious circle that has taken us three years to fully realize.

We now schedule at least a date night and Saturday out and usually a weekend alone following a week when our schedules are unavoidably hectic. I have found that I trigger more easily and experience my PTSD symptoms when we fail to prioritize UA time.

Our most helpful book was Love Busters. We have both tried very hard to eliminate LBs from our M. I think that if your DH completely eliminated the financial LBs that he has been guilty of in the past, you would be surprised at how much more quickly you would begin to feel in love with him. My DH was not as blatant as yours but I often found MAC withdrawals after I had already written and mailed checks or spent budgeted money in other ways. I felt that he was intentionally sabotaging our budget because I maintain it. Turns out he was just being thoughtless and dumb. He also justified it by saying that it worked for him without ever considering my feelings about it.

You are on the right track and are getting good advice. I greatly admire you for accepting that advice and implimenting it.

God's Blessings,

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Originally Posted by pianogal01
Loved the article, Melody...but I am a tad overwhelmed. I feel very hopeful. And re-reading this thread, I THINK, that the first thing that needs to be done is starting on the 20 hours UA, right? Tell me if I am wrong...

I finally figured out how to get the bookstore to work right, so I ordered:

Lovebusters
5 Steps to Romantic Love Workbook
Basic Concepts DVD
Fall in Love Stay in Love

We already have:
Surviving an Affair
His Needs, Her Needs

hurray

Yes, start with the UA time. Once that workbook arrives, I'd say start filling out the two UA forms; there's one to fill out your schedule each week, and one to put a mark on each week to show how you've done over time. These will help you stay on course.


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