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Remind me, whens the court date?


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Trial is set for Thursday, July 29th.


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So then why is he talking to the probation department about a payment plan? Has the deal already been made? I know there are probation fees to pay when someone is placed on probation. Is that what he's talking about? Is this none of my business? smile


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Sorry for the confusion. He wants to talk to us about two separate issues. 1) Our payment agreement with him. 2) Something he spoke to the probation department about yesterday regarding my son's case. I have no idea why he was talking with probation. When we met with him on Tuesday, he only said he was going to try to talk to the DA about a plea bargain. I don't know what this new development might be, but the waiting is killing me.


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This has become my son's favorite video over the past few months. He dedicates it to his ex-girlfriend.




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Found out our attorney is in court this afternoon with another trial, so it may be awhile before we can speak to him. Why do I have to have such an impatient personality? I absolutely hate waiting.


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You're not being impatient, you're concerned about your son and your family. Of course, I am likely 100 times more impatient than you, so by comparison, you are most likely Job.

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Ha, ha, Luri. You are the only, and I mean ONLY, person who has ever compared me to Job. Though there are some similarities. I do seem to live under the banner of Murphy's Law, don't I?


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Just so you know, Murphy was an optimist...

Nothing is ever so bad it can't get worse.

There is a logical progression for everything, from bad to worse...
This is cyclical. (Murphy meets the dialectic)

Anything that can go wrong, will�at the worst possible moment. (Finagle's Law of Dynamic Negatives)

Those involved in research and examining how things work tend to reject any data that does not support the hypothesis and overstate the importance of data that does. (Confirmation bias)

A man with a watch knows what time it is. A man with two watches is never sure. (Segal's Law)

Discretion will protect you, and understanding will guard you. (Proverbs 2:11)

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Okay, well then, I suppose my life is governed by Finagle's Law of Dynamic Negatives then.

But back to Murphy. If everything is a cyclical progression from bad to worse, how do we know when we have hit the absolute bottom? Is there a bottom if nothing is so bad that there is always something worse? These statements seem contradictory. One cycle must necessarily end (meaning that a bottom has been found and the absolute worst has been attained) in order for the entire process to start over again. But if there is always something worse than the current situation, how can one ever find that bottom in order to begin the cycle once again at the top?


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Us BP'ers like this one:

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

Remind to to book Mark for my next "Power of Positive Thinking" seminar!

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Ah, but you see, as soon as you feel the bottom beneath your feet, it is likely that it is only a momentary thing before it drops out from under you, plunging you again downward into the pit...

And actually, the quote from Proverbs should give you hope...

It's how you avoid the never ending cycle of choices that result in negative consequences the attempted recovery from which leads you to make other choices that lead to additional negative consequences.

Discretion will protect you, and understanding will guard you.

The LORD does not let the righteous go hungry but he thwarts the craving of the wicked. (Proverbs 10:3)

When the storm has swept by, the wicked are gone, but the righteous stand firm forever. (Proverbs 10:25)

When a man's ways are pleasing to the LORD, he makes even his enemies live at peace with him. (Proverbs 16:7)

Better to be lowly in spirit and among the oppressed than to share plunder with the proud. Whoever gives heed to instruction prospers, and blessed is he who trusts in the LORD. (Proverbs 16:19 & 20)

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So what if I didn't know what went wrong was wrong?

Like , "Oh thats a bad thing when smoke comes out of the engine?, I'm glad i brought it in for a tune up then, put it on my card"

Of course its all about perception isn't it?

Average american man complains, "I have to work two jobs to afford all I have".

Average immigrant coming to america from impoverished country, "I can work two jobs!?!?, Thank Providence"


Comesback to how wise really are we when we know something bad is going to happen so we expect it so were not surprised, dissapointed or embarassed. I'm not drinking the kool-aid, but I would rather be positive and maybe appear gullible to others than the other options if I have to make a choice.

Expectations from God and his promises writer, Murphy sure made some funny laws/observations but when I am down they don't allways seem funny. I know they are suppossed to knock us out of our bad mood, but when things are black they are nothing but someodys thoughts who doesn't careyou as much as the God that created you, and is inside you, preparing a miracle.

I allways wonder why people say "The patientence of Job", Job suffered as he waited for the God who gave him everything to return it to him. He wasn't waiting for what was owed him because God doesn't owe us anything so why would he even even have to exercise patience? Job was completly subject to God andeven gave Him credit for his thoughts andemotions and that was the lesson wasn't it? That he had no choice and he knew it, and God knew he knew it, but Satan did not.
I have had people call me Job before too, and I took it as a compliment because it was intended to be, but it perplexed me when people says he was patient, heck i would call it desparate and longsuffering if anything, cuz he knew God held his future.

You will come thru this Writer and be stronger for it. Your son will have learned one of lifes lessons the hard way and it will help him avoid these type of people. He will be able to work somehow at something no matter what the outcome if he can put the past behind him and he will keep on fighting the good fight.

We all get dealt bad cards sometimes but if we stay in the game long enough we learn how to cut our losses and not lose our shirts. This crisis is also an opportunity for everyone to pull together. I hope they all do.

So now we have to wait how long for "Atticus Finch" to get back to you?

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Originally Posted by lurioosi2
Us BP'ers like this one:

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

Remind to to book Mark for my next "Power of Positive Thinking" seminar!

I heard it "Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean people are not talking about you" but its funny either way.

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Originally Posted by Mark1952
It's how you avoid the never ending cycle of choices that result in negative consequences the attempted recovery from which leads you to make other choices that lead to additional negative consequences.

This makes attempting to correct one's past mistakes sound rather futile, don't you think? If bad things are going to continue happening because of something you did in the past, then why even bother? I thought attempting to recover from bad choices made in the past was a good thing, but if that attempted recovery only leads to additional negative consequences, where's the point? I must be missing something.

And does it matter if I'm not particularly religious?


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Trust me, we are all religiuos

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My head hurts! Stop being all, like, deep and junk.

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Originally Posted by writer1
Originally Posted by Mark1952
It's how you avoid the never ending cycle of choices that result in negative consequences the attempted recovery from which leads you to make other choices that lead to additional negative consequences.

This makes attempting to correct one's past mistakes sound rather futile, don't you think? ..

I think taking responsibility for them is all we can do, that way were recognize mistakes and avoid future ones, while cleaning up our messes. I literally live by "Show me a person who has never made a mistake and i will show you someone who has never learned anything"

I tell my kids this, check me if you think I'm wrong.
"The bible wasn't written for you to study as a textbook and then be put away, many things wont even make sense to you untill you are older, and many cannot be truly appreciated until you experience them. You will never come to a place where its wisdom will not teach you or guide you every day, and you will never be more spiritually entitled than anyone else becuase you read it more. Its truly alive and has killed more people than you can imagine."

We all are religiuos becuase we have belief systems that lean upon for security. "If I do this then that will happen" sorta thinking. Even the athiest thinks that way. If things didn't happen that force us to have faith in something beyond that world, we would stay there. If it were only that simple. But as you have experienced, Bad, unfair things happen to people, then there are oodles of people waiting to show you howyou were wrong and its all your fault and how you should pay for it.

The bible says that in order for us to judge others we must know the sin in our heart, therefore it allready exists in us to begin with. Also to be careful in how we hand out judgement, because with the same measure it will be measured out to us.

This isn't to say we should be lawless, but it does teach us something of moving forward from the past.


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Originally Posted by lurioosi2
My head hurts! Stop being all, like, deep and junk.

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Talked to the lawyer.

The DA has decided to talk to the "victim's" family before discussing any plea bargains. Translation: We're screwed. There's no way that the "victim's" family is going to agree to anything that doesn't involve my son going to prison for a long time, being a registered sex offender, and going to the gallows. Her father has made underhanded death threats against my son (yep, the DA's aware of this, as is the judge).

We won't know anything for sure until Monday or Tuesday, but it's just a technicality. This family wants to make my son pay and pay big. If the DA didn't care what they wanted, I can't imagine why he would bother talking to them. Obviously, their wishes are going to be considered in this, and even if there is a plea bargain, it won't be anything we can live with. Our only other choice is going to trial on Thursday, which our attorney doesn't think we will win.

I am not okay. I am trying to be okay, but I am not okay. I have spent 4 months hoping and believing that innocent people really don't go to prison for crimes they did not commit. People have been telling me stories where this exact thing has happened to others they have known, but I didn't want to believe it. I wanted to believe in justice. I wanted to believe that truth matters. It doesn't. Nothing matters. You can go along and try your best to do what is right and live within the parameters of the law and guess what? IT DOESN'T MATTER! It just doesn't. So, that is the lesson that my son and my family will walk away having learned from all of this. That is what we will take with us into whatever the rest of our lives will be.

Don't tell the truth. It won't get you anywhere anyway. It has taken me 39 years to figure this out. Me, the person who abhors lies and deceit. The person who has spent her entire existence lecturing everyone about the importance of being honest, no matter what. Where has it gotten me? Nowhere!!!

I am so ANGRY!!!!!!!!!


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