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Last August my H was threatening and violent to me for the last time. (My A had finished 7 months previously).

At the time (in August) I had an undiagnosed underactive thyroid. My brain was very foggy, I found it excpetionally hard to make any decisons even about meal times and I was exhausted.

These good people here supported me and helped me through a modified plan B. It didn't follow a plan A, except it did follow a fairly successful 1 week holiday.

It gave me the time and space to work out where my head was at and it gave my H the opportunity to have a think about what was important to him. Without the stress of wondering what was going to happen my mind cleared a little and enough to find my strength.

He signed up for a perpetrators of abuse course and is now back living with us.
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...just to add, after a few days of plan B, with all my ducks in a row ready for D, I felt so much more able and capable of rational thinking.

Having D in mind - knowing that there can be an end makes it so much easier to look after yourself while still in the R - from my experience. In.stantly relieves the pressure.

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Originally Posted by MelodyLane
Here is what I want to ask Dragonfire:

a) do you want to save your marriage?

b) if so, do you have the strength to endure a 2 week Plan A where you make friendly overtures to him about the future?

You are the only one who is qualified to answer those questions. I know he has done some crummy things. All WS's do. But many of them do an 180 degree change. Your H is not irredeemable. No one is.

Right NOW - No I don't have the Physical Strength

I think I need to give you all a brief summary of some 'In sickness & in Health' incidents during our marriage

In 1989 - I was pregnant with our 1st son
WH was away on business & suffered a sub-archnoid heammorage (spelling?)
He was rushed to a public hospital & diagnosed as having a heart attack.
I flew down & was with him in 4 hours & between his Dad (who was still alive), we had him moved to a private hospiatl & correctly diagnosed.
So for 6 weeks, I flew up & down every 4 days - pregnant
Got him back home & he spent another 8 weeks recovering

In 1991 he went to the aid of a neighbour who was being broken into (this is normal where I live).
He was shot by the robbers & took the bullet in his jaw.
I rushed him to the Emergency Room ( our 1st born was just over a year)
Stayed with him every minute while he was in hospital. His jaw was broken in 3 places & both jaws were wired shut for around 10 weeks

In 1992 he was diagnosed with Chrones Disease & I sorted out all the Specialists/ Hospitals etc as one of my business contracts was for a brand new private hospital & I had met most of the Doctors etc.
He then had an Illiostomy in the April/May
I was pregnant with our 2nd son

In the August/September he had a Rectal Resection

So he has a Colostomy Bag

Then last year he was diagnosed with Diabetes Type II.
I researched everything about the disease, changed his diet, ensured he took the right vitamins. helped him chose the machine to check his blood. Met with his Doctor, so I knew what to expect.

When our 1st son got sick (1991), in the middle of the night, when he was around 18months old - WH was out 'with the boys'. I rushed him to the Emergency Room & stayed with him through the night. WH didn't even realise we weren't home, when he got back.
This was before Cell Phones

Now knowing all this - what should I do?

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Originally Posted by Vibrissa
DF I hope you're not overwhelmed by the action going on here. Know we all have your best interest at heart. Only you can decide what is best for you and your family. I agree - you are one tough chicky.

Thanks V

The Inter-action is what I NEED, to know how to go forward.

Please everyone - just spill it all out.

My only goal right now - is to protect my sons

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Originally Posted by thndrnltng
Some people just don't have sense to keep from wading into the fray. Apparently, I fall into that group. I'm somewhat shocked and very disappointed in myself.MrRollieEyes


(2) Here's a brief description of MS. I do not know whether she has the relapsing or the progressive form. Stress helps neither, that much is sure. She will have this the rest of her life, and she can anticipate a normal life span.

Almost any neurological symptom can appear with the disease, and often progresses to physical and cognitive disability. MS takes several forms, with new symptoms occurring either in discrete attacks (relapsing forms) or slowly accumulating over time (progressive forms). Between attacks, symptoms may go away completely, but permanent neurological problems often occur, especially as the disease advances.

(3) It would be common for her physical symptoms to get more severe over the course of her life. Her husband is already embarrassed by her crutch. How will he feel about the wheelchair? Will he help feed her and change her if she gets to the place where she can't do these things for herself? I am not an MB success story. I'm not an MB story at all, except as Neak's mother. I don't think there are many people here who would trade their marriage, on a day-to-day basis, for mine. My husband can be a cantankerous old coot, but I do know this: If I was sick, had a stroke, a heart attack, became paralyzed, whatever, that man would have my back. He would take care of me, or if he was unable to do it himself, he'd see that it got done right. He may have annoyed the heck out of me right up to the moment of my medical emergency, but by George, he'd be a faithful rock the moment I needed someone to hold onto. Can DF imagine Mr. DF ever doing the same for her? If he can't be a real husband with this degree of "sickness", and if health isn't coming back, will he be her husband when the "sickness" part gets deeper and more difficult? I'm skeptical on that myself, based on what she's said. Only she really can really hazard an educated guess, though.

(4) Yes, a divorce would be stressful, as well as a recovery. The difference there is that the divorce process comes to an end. It is finite and then finished. Recovery can limp along for years, well after a divorce would have rendered the marriage dead and decently interred. Trying for recovery is no guarantee of recovery. It is a guarantee of long-term, high stress. It nearly wiped Neak off the map, and she was healthy to start out with. A woman with MS needs to do some very careful, medically-advised considering before she puts herself into the recovery wringer.

(5) She can be just as nice as she wants to be regarding a Plan A. It would take a LOT of savoir faire to pull something like that off at this very moment, but if she thinks she can, more power to her. Even if she has no intention of reconciling, if she herself is sweet and lets her solicitors be tough--bad cop to her good cop--she may have a much easier time in getting through the next few weeks and months...and a better chance of getting what she wants, too.

(6) Let the dust settle, dear DragonFire, before you make your final decision. Protect yourself any way you need to do so, but give yourself time to decompress and think. You've been in your "fight-or-flight" response mode for a couple of weeks now. It's time to let the adrenaline, the stress hormones, that hyped you up and kept you going on so little sleep, begin to return to normal levels. Don't make any decisions during this time, under the influence of great stress, that are impossible to change if you want to change them, once the situation slows down.

And good luck. All of it. laugh

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Thank you tl

I have Primary Progressive MS & KNOW what's in store for me.

I am 'letting the dust settle. I've done everything I can to protect my sons.
Now I HAVE to regain some of my strength. I've called my Doctor to get some help

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My MS has affected:
My Eyesight - I have Optice Nerve Damage to both eyes
My Right Arm & Leg - hence the Crutch
Vertigo
Immense Muscle Spams - mostly my back
Flaring Nerves in my Lips, Right Hand & Right Rib Cage

I can no longer drive after dark & even my home is mostly 'darkened'

I have add about 8 attacks in 2 1/2 years

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DragonFire...I just read your story here and must say your H sounds as if you have been the one to hold the family and relationship together for years without much contribution from him. You sound like a "caretaker" personality who manages to take care of everyone else but yourself until your own health fails and you MUST take care of yourself. When you need him, he can't measure up to the task.

I know my own path to a fast divorce was not regarded by many on this sight as the "Marriage Builders" way, however I must say that making the decision that at my age (54) I did not want to spend years trying to recover my marriage (with no help in sight from my H)was a good decision for me. I truly believe I cut my own pain and suffering that would have continued had I stuck around to watch my H's behavior. 4 months after divorce, I can truly say I'm doing well, my health is better, I'm in therapy and working through some things but generally I lead a very positive life with positive people in it. I cut the chaos and negative crap he brought into my life out. He's still swirling in chaos, in a relationship which sounds like it's pretty one-sided in that he's expendable to her, and his health is in free-fall. If I were still trying to salvage our marriage, I'd be in the same situation. I got out. I stopped my personal chaos he interjected in my life. I'm very glad I stopped his ability to impact my life. My decision. I'm living with it and it was right for me.

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Hi DragonFire...

I found a blog of sorts that talks a lot about PPMS. Here it is in case you're interested in checking it out:

Blog

Just wanted to say that I can understand everyone's points here, but also that I think you are wise right now to change your beneficiaries and do what you can to protect your son's inheritances. Your husband is in a thick fog right now and not making good decisions.

Hang in there, and try to sleep and get your exercise.

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Originally Posted by ladylonglegs
DragonFire...I just read your story here and must say your H sounds as if you have been the one to hold the family and relationship together for years without much contribution from him. You sound like a "caretaker" personality who manages to take care of everyone else but yourself until your own health fails and you MUST take care of yourself. When you need him, he can't measure up to the task.

I'm in therapy and working through some things but generally I lead a very positive life with positive people in it. I cut the chaos and negative crap he brought into my life out.
I'm very glad I stopped his ability to impact my life. My decision. I'm living with it and it was right for me.

I am so glad you've replied & follwed my posts LLL

I suppose I do have a Caretaker personality, but I always thought that's what a good wife & mother did - However I've recently found out I'm not very good between the sheets! Oh Well, at least I'm not a Skank

I have surrounded myself (here) with a large group of amazing people - all positive, screwed on heads etc.

I am NOW looking after my health, just the last 10 days was more like being in an F5 tornado!

I haven't been 49 kgs since before I got married. 1 or 2 more kilos on and MAN, do I have a good body (self help comment) Just the face has serious gravity problems, but I'm told an injection or 2 & that can also be improved!

I am learning a whole lot about life right now!

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Thanks Soolee

I'll follow the Blog later today.
I have read up alot on MS & spoken to my Neuro, but all information is welcome.

I must also register with my local MS Support Group, I believe they are good.

I'm still waiting for my GP to call, re a tonic etc

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Hi Dragon, I have been gone for two weeks and found your story last night, and I must say while I was reading your story with my husband Wheels I kept saying "I LIKE HER!!" I think I might have said it like 15 times laugh

You know exactly what you want

Your smart!

You got things DONE when you found out about it! Most BS takes atleast 2 weeks to finally decide to DO SOMETHING about their WS.

Your strong! With everything that is going on in your life, you can still take care of your two boys, and I do believe that is your main focus!

And you won't tolerate your husband treating you this way, I just love how fast you are with this and how organized you are...

dance2

I don't have any advice because you have gotten so many good ones! I just wanted to comment and let you know that you are an amazing woman! And I would be soo proud to have you as a mother! laugh Your boy's are soo lucky and blessed to have you in their life's.

You are in my prayers!

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I can't tell you how much I miss you all - with the Time Difference

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Guess What -

WH has taken a Court Order out on me for sending the e-mails to my Friends for Intimidation, Harrassement!

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Originally Posted by SapphireReturns
Hi Dragon, I have been gone for two weeks and found your story last night, and I must say while I was reading your story with my husband Wheels I kept saying "I LIKE HER!!" I think I might have said it like 15 times laugh

You know exactly what you want

Your smart!

You got things DONE when you found out about it! Most BS takes atleast 2 weeks to finally decide to DO SOMETHING about their WS.

Your strong! With everything that is going on in your life, you can still take care of your two boys, and I do believe that is your main focus!

And you won't tolerate your husband treating you this way, I just love how fast you are with this and how organized you are...


I don't have any advice because you have gotten so many good ones! I just wanted to comment and let you know that you are an amazing woman! And I would be soo proud to have you as a mother! laugh Your boy's are soo lucky and blessed to have you in their life's.

You are in my prayers!

Thank you SapphireReturns

Yes, I'm only doing this for my sons. I am financially independent. I have always been the higher earner. But my boys are just starting out as adults - 18 & 21 - both still at home
They do NOT deserve this or to lose out on their financial security

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Meant to add

Sapphire is my birth stone - September 3rd - Big 5 - 0

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Originally Posted by DragonFire
Guess What -

WH has taken a Court Order out on me for sending the e-mails to my Friends for Intimidation, Harrassement!

What does that mean exactly, DF?


"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

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Originally Posted by DragonFire
Meant to add

Sapphire is my birth stone - September 3rd - Big 5 - 0


Awesome! laugh

Can he really take a court order out on you for exposing? ROFL!! It just makes me laugh!! I think that will back fire in his face.

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Originally Posted by MelodyLane
[quote=DragonFire]

What does that mean exactly, DF?

I don't know yet - I'm told I'll be 'served' tomorrow. So that's when I'll know more.
I've called a friend of mine, who's a Corporate Lawyer, he said he can't see anything in the e-mails that could be 'defamation of character, harrassment, and how can I intimidate him'

So I don't know

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I think that will back fire in his face.

Hmmmmmm. I don't think it's a good idea to "backfire" with "Dragon Fire." faint A match, maybe...

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Originally Posted by MelodyLane
[quote=DragonFire]

What does that mean exactly, DF?

I don't know yet - I'm told I'll be 'served' tomorrow. So that's when I'll know more.
I've called a friend of mine, who's a Corporate Lawyer, he said he can't see anything in the e-mails that could be 'defamation of character, harrassment, and how can I intimidate him'

So I don't know

DF, who told you this? Do you know this for a fact or this is a wayward lie devised to scare you into silence?


"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

Exposure 101


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