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It says they are "...surprisingly successful, as long as both partners are not otherwise attached at the time they reconnect." That means your wife should not be married if she is attempting to fall in love with a lost lover. Maybe she missed the last page of the article of how distructive this behaviour is.
As far as I can tell, I agree that it is very hard to seperate long-lost loves. It is still wrong and damaging to a marriage, but for single people it is great. It doesn't expressly condone an affair, but it doesn't go out of the way to say that affairs are wrong. This is based on a Journal entry to publish one thing: that long-lost loves are hard to separate.
Why is your wife giddy over this? It is appalling that she intends to use it as an excuse, or to prove something to you! There is no proof in this article supporting any reason that she should leave you. She is scratching for some type of justification, and she read into this in a way that I would never support. Is she single? No! then she should not be dating or even talking to a long lost lover especially because they are hard to separate! Thats how I read that article.
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thanks, wheels. I, of course, clung to the things I found most appalling (sp?) and didn't grasp the negatives the article was pointing out. This, of course, because I just discovered she was cheating and am not thinking clearly. To all, yes, I have begun going through the on-line material and will place book orders soon. There is a lot of material here and I need time to digest. The problem is, I am feeling frantic so I will try to get the emotions under control and slow down.
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Why isn't she searching for how to help me or repair our marriage? Because she is a big foggy mess. I understand your head is probably spinning but slow down and take this step by step. Most people do the opposite of what is recommended here and that usually leads to disaster. #1 ~ Stop trying to talk your WW out of her affair. Stop expecting her to do what's right on her own. It never works and that has been proven here on the boards again and again. Accept that this is not your W but instead a foggy addicted wayward. We can probably predict what she will do better at this point than you do since most waywards do and say the same things. #2 ~ Take steps to end the A. Expose, Expose, Expose. That is if you want to have any shot at all of ending the A and saving your M. First person to contact is the OMW. DO NOT try to have OM tell her himself. That was bad advice by Redeem Me. You tell her yourself in person or over the phone and offer the evidence. Do not email her or send a letter. Do not leave a voicemail message. DO NOT tell your WW that you will be doing this! Next you need to expose to children, parents, close family or friends who have any influence on your WW. AGAIN, do not let your WW know you intend to do this. Expose to everyone all in one day if possible. Affairs thrive in secrecy so once you have exposed to everyone, make sure your WW knows that everyone knows. It takes all the fun out of the A. If you don't expose and keep trying to talk to your WW about her A, she's just going to keep taking it underground.
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I would definitely recommend that you put pressure on that other person to confess on his/her own, but certainly tell the other person's betrayed spouse if she/he doesn't do it within a given amount of time. The exposure should come without forewarning the other person. Forewarning gives the OM an opporunity to get to his wife first and spin the story about "a crazy, insane jealous husband.." so when he does call he has been completely discredited. Nor is it a good idea to expose via email or letter. It should be done in person or on the phone to ensure the right person gets the message. And I agree with the others about the necessity of exposure. The affair needs to be exposed to everyone.
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A actively going on for 1.5 years, but get this, on and off for 30 years (yes, I'm old!). Since CS and I have only been married for 12 years I cannot get worked up over the rest of the time they spent together but I am worried about the emotional involvement for 30 years. I can't compete with that. The only thing you are competing with is a fantasy...which you will be enabling and supporting if you don't expose it. The first step to crumbling the fantasy is telling everyone and shining a spotlight on their behavior. Most likely OM isn't willing to leave his wife for you WW. I have heard it here before...but most likely it was just about fun and sex for him. He will probably drop your WW once you expose to his wife. We have seen it here again and again.
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She just called me and asked me to read this article: http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200606/lost-love-guess-whos-backHow am I supposed to react to this? We will obviously be discussing this tonight as we are both at work. My initial reactions: she told me she wasn't in love with him but is now trying to tell me she is? she's trying to find justification in what she did, and that many others are doing it? She was almost giddy when she called. Is she excited because so many of these relationships are succesfull (at the obvious expense of our relationship)? Unfortunately, the article does not address adultery. I would show her this quote from Dr Willard Harley, clinical psychologist and founder of Marriage Builders. He has specialized in saving marriages from adultery for 35 years. Here is the truth about her future with her adultery partner: "My experience, and the experience of other professionals is that about 95% of all affairs either end by one person deciding to end it, or that it dies a natural death. Of the five percent that end in marriage, about 70% of those end in divorce.
There are a host of reasons that romantic relationships that start with an affair are so fragile, but the main reason is that they are based on deceit, thoughtlessness, and dishonesty. Those characteristics eventually find themselves permeating the affair itself. They eventually find themselves being deceitful, thoughtless, and dishonest toward each other." Show her that and tell her you won't discuss anything other than recovery of your marriage. Throw the article in the trash. Your wife has the mentality of a falling down drunk right now who is high on alcohol. It is a waste of time to listen to her fogbabble. Simply tell her you are not interested at all. THEN, get to work on a very effective exposure list. Expose all in the same day to bring about a tsunami. Good exposure targets are the OM's wife, all of your parents, friends, close family and your children. Exposure is the most potent weapon you have in saving your marriage. The reason is because affairs thrive on secrecy, so exposure is ruinous. While it may not kill the affair immediately, it will hasten its death.
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"Exposure is very likely to end the affair, lifting the fog that has overcome the unfaithful spouse, helping him or her become truly repentant and willing to put energy and effort into a full marital recovery. In my experience with thousands of couples who struggle with the fallout of infidelity, exposure has been the single most important first step toward recovery. It not only helps end the affair, but it also provides support to the betrayed spouse, giving him or her stamina to hold out for ultimate recovery." Exposure While most affairs die a natural death in less than two years, there are some that take much longer to die. That's one of the primary reasons that my first rule in surviving an affair is to never see or talk to the lover again -- even if the affair seems to have died a natural death. An affair can rekindle after it seems to be over. And to guarantee complete separation between the unfaithful spouse and the lover, extraordinary precautions must be taken, such as providing radical accountability and transparency. In many cases, I've encouraged couples I've counseled to change jobs or even move to another state to help create permanent separation.
Another suggestion I make to a couple struggling to restore their marriage after one of them had an affair is to make the affair public. Everyone should know what happened -- children, relatives, friends, and especially the children and spouse of the lover -- so that the affair is exposed to the light of day. What often makes affairs appealing is that it is done in secret. Most affairs become very unappealing once everyone knows about it.
So whether an affair is a one night stand, or has been going on for years, the basic rule for ending them are the same -- extraordinary precautions to guarantee permanent separation. But I will admit that the precautions used for long-term affairs are usually more extraordinary than those used for short-term affairs. I've helped many spouses overcome affairs that have lasted over ten years, but none of them have been easy.
Best wishes Willard F. Harley, Jr.
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I am confused and desperate. Should I inform the other innocent spouse of the infidelities of our spouses? It seems like that spouse would want to know. I know I would want to know, but I'm not sure of how I feel about causing the other spouse this pain? I know I wouldn't want anyone to go through what I am going through. Any help? Do you want to have a chance to save your marriage? Then the answer is, "Hell, yes." I was a cheater once. Got into an affair that lasted 2 & a half months. Why did I end it when I did? Because my other woman got found out by her husband's private investigator. Yeah, I had thought about ending it, and had talked with the OW about ending it, and had even made a half-hearted attempt to break it off with her ... but I caved in to my worst instincts every time. Once I knew that her husband knew, I could see that the game was up... the fantasy of the affair was bound to end, and my best chance to save my marriage was by coming clean to my wife & begging her forgiveness. Only then did I begin to get over my addiction to the other woman's attention. Only then did I get back on the road to saving my marriage. Exposure was the key. Your spouse's adultery-partner's spouse is your biggest ally, the person whose knowledge is likely to be most important to breaking up the lil' fantasy-world they've constructed and thereby giving your spouse at least a better chance of starting to think clearly again.
Me: FWH, 50 My BW: Trust_Will_Come, 52, tall, beautiful & heart of gold DD23, DS19 EA-then-PA Oct'08-Jan'09 Broke it off & confessed to BW (after OW's H found out) Jan.7 2009 Married 25 years & counting. Grateful for forgiveness. Working to be a better husband. "I wear the chain I forged in life... I made it link by link, and yard by yard" ~Jacob Marley's ghost, A Christmas Carol "Do it again & you're out on your [bum]." ~My BW, Jan.7 2009
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OK, there is no doubt about revelation. I have one problem. Search as I might, I cannot find a phone number for her. I got one off Intelius, but a young man answers and tells me its the wrong number. I suspect that it might be one of her sons but he won't admit it. It's interesting that over the last few days I have been able to find a lot of information about a lot of people by using the web, but it has been impossible to trace much about this husband and wife, other than some of their addresses. I have been able to confirm their current address so I'm thinking of using "Restricted Delivery, Certified Mail" to get a package of proof to the other innocent spouse. Any thoughts?
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I found her twin sister (didn't know she had a sister, much less a twin) and told her. As I have read on other web sites, the messenger got shot. She will not be any help contacting the other innocent spouse. By the way, the other couple are on the "left coast", we are on the "right coast" so it makes contact difficult.
I will not tell my 5 year old, and I assume regardless of the advice immediately above, you didn't intend for that to happen. When you say "tell everyone" I'm assuming you mean "every adult". I told my parents, her father, my oldest daughter, all immediately involved in our family.
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keep trying to find everyone that needs to be told, Other spouse, their parents, your parents, his parents, friends, work colleagues..... This is the only way to stop an affair, they only survive when things are kept secret, when they are pressured by the ones that mean something to them, they should re-think their paths....... keep snooping and learning......stay strong....
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I found her twin sister (didn't know she had a sister, much less a twin) and told her. As I have read on other web sites, the messenger got shot. She will not be any help contacting the other innocent spouse. By the way, the other couple are on the "left coast", we are on the "right coast" so it makes contact difficult. I would keep trying to call the house. Maybe disguise your # using *67 and call again. The problem with sending letters is they almost always get intercepted. I will not tell my 5 year old, and I assume regardless of the advice immediately above, you didn't intend for that to happen. When you say "tell everyone" I'm assuming you mean "every adult". I told my parents, her father, my oldest daughter, all immediately involved in our family. Yes, the 5 year old absolutely should be told. Giving her false explanations about the tension in the home will only cause confusion and teaches her that dishonesty is acceptable. Dr. Harley on telling the children: The same can be said about telling children about an affair. My experience with the positive outcomes of hundreds of families where an affair has been exposed to children has led me to encourage a betrayed spouse not to fear such exposure. In fact, to mislead children, giving other false explanations as to why their parents are not getting along, causes children to be very confused. When they finally discover the truth, it sets an example to children that dishonesty is sometimes acceptable, making them the judge of when that might occur.
An affair is an attack on children as well as the betrayed spouse. And it's true that children are deeply affected by this form of irresponsible behavior. But it's the act of infidelity that causes children to suffer, not the exposure of it. Facts point us toward solutions. Illusion leads us astray. That's true for children as well as adults. here Q: So, you do suggest telling our 10 year old son? Is this more than he can handle? He never saw any real unhappiness as my husband and I had a very low conflict marriage. I have been protecting our son from this truth. He still has hope that his dad is going to come home. ___________________________________ A: As for your son, the truth will come out eventually, even if you get back together again. And your son won't be emotionally crippled if he hears the truth. It's lies and deception that cripple children. He should know that your husband is choosing his lover over his son's mother. It's a fact. He's willing to ruin a family unit all for what.
When I first started recommending openness about an affair, I wasn't sure what would happen. But I did it because I knew it was the right thing to do. Now I know that for most couples it marks the beginning of recovery. The reason that children should know about an affair is that exposing it to the light of day (letting everyone know), helps give the unfaithful spouse a dose of reality. An affair thrives on illusion, and whatever a betrayed spouse can do to eliminate the illusion is justifiable. Mold doesn't grow well in sunlight. here2. How honest should I be about the A? (they are 7 and under)
Tell your children as much as you can about their father's affair, and how it affects you. There are some counselors and lawyers that strongly disagree with me on this issue, but I have maintained that position for over 35 years without any evidence that children are hurt by it. They're hurt by the affair, not by accurate information regarding the affair. Just make sure that you don't combine accurate information with disrespectful judgments. For example, you can say that the OW has taken their father away from you, but you should not say that she is home-wrecker (or worse). hereMy basic approach to life is that radical honesty is valuable on many different dimensions. It keeps us out of trouble, it helps others understand us, and it helps others avoid the same mistakes we have made. Letting your children know the details of your husband's affair would help them in all three areas.
The more your children know about your husband's affair, the more careful he will be to avoid them in the future.
The more your children know about his affair, the more they will understand what you are going through in your recovery (by the way, you are doing very well -- keep up the good work!).
Being radically honest about your husband's affair with your children would also help them avoid affairs themselves. How it happened and how could it have been prevented is a great object lesson for children. I learned that I was vulnerable for an affair when I learned about my grandfather's affairs. The extraordinary precautions I've taken were directly related to what I learned about him.
It's the approach I've always taken, and while it's difficult, especially for the WS, there's much more upside to it than downside. here
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Most likely OM isn't willing to leave his wife for you WW. I have heard it here before...but most likely it was just about fun and sex for him. He will probably drop your WW once you expose to his wife. We have seen it here again and again. I agree with this. Everything that I've read, both here and in other after-the-affair guides, state that it's extremely unlikely that an affair could evolve into a lasting relationship. Also, once the affair is exposed on both sides, it does become more real and less fantasy, causing the two people involved in the affair to have to face their realities. Make sure that other spouse knows. Keep searching for an address or phone number. Can you look at your wife's phone records? I've heard that http://www.spokeo.com is really quite good in tracking down info. Has your wife changed her personal phone numbers? Has she canceled email accounts? Has she either closed or set privacy on her Facebook or other online, social networking accounts? Does your wife have a best friend that might know the contact info? Are their mutual friends who might have the current contact info, even from years ago? Classmates perhaps?
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Another good source is www.pipl.com.
Widowed 11/10/12 after 35 years of marriage ********************* “In a sense now, I am homeless. For the home, the place of refuge, solitude, love-where my husband lived-no longer exists.” Joyce Carolyn Oates, A Widow's Story
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