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#2420227 08/24/10 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Pepperband
Do you understand the MB concept of POJA ?

POJA is the key to long and successful marriage-building-recovery ... after adultery, after OC.

The key to POJA is that both spouses must reach enthusiastic agreement for BIG important decisions, such as contact or no contact with OC.

My opinion should not be considered.
Your opinion should not be considered.
The two MARRIED people must both be enthusiastic.


If one spouse gets coerced into contact, the marriage will be miserable.


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[quote=angiebaby333]Yes, I most certainly disagree with Dr. Harley and by denying the child, you are indeed lessening their worth.

Well then, you aren't going to get very far here. This place is about building strong marriages. It's about discussing the MB philosophy and learning to apply it.

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And , yes, I know more than I care to admit about addiction. Learning to overcome your addiction does not mean avoidance - for instance, an alcoholic who cannot go to family functions where alcohol is served has not overcome the addiction.

So an addict should continue to expose themselves to their drug of choice, to test their recovery? And if they slip into temptation, too bad, so sad?

If your driving on a high mountain road, you don't drive as close to the edge as possible just to prove you can, you stay as far away from the edge as possible, so there is little chance you fall over.

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This is very different from, say, an alcoholic who can't go to a bar where the expressed intent of those there is to get drunk.

To an alcoholic ALL alcohol is dangerous, no matter the venue. Once an alcoholic, ALWAYS an alcoholic. You don't get to lower your guard once you are 'recovered'. You can be 'recovered' for decades and relapse.

I really don't think you have much of an understanding of addiction, regardless of your exposure level.

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There are other ways that a FWS can make contact with the child, perhaps having a third party pick up the child for visitation.

Yes, there are. And many people here have navigated just those waters. It is difficult, but possible. A third party could work. There are many options.

However, choosing to NOT have contact with the OC is just as valid a choice, should a couple decide that is what is BEST for the marriage. Often OC are detrimental to the security, peace and financial stability of the Children of the Marriage. Should THEY be made to suffer, be thrown under the rug, for the OC? If all children are important and have value, why should the COM suffer?

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Graduations, weddings, sure there will be times when the the FWS and OW might have to see each other. But if your marriage can't handle those few moments in time - and they really can be few - you have a much bigger issue to contend with.


So, how many marriages have YOU saved from adultery?

Thank you both for being advocates for both MB and the BS dealing with an OC! This board often gets attacked for our stance on NC. This is despite the fact that those of us WITH contact advocate for NC. We have LIVED it.


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Your shoes, and those like you, faith, are ones I can't even imagine having to walk in. It is the most impossible choice, one with no easy answers. One that causes pain NO MATTER what you do. It is always the innocent who will suffer most.

I cannot say, for another, what the right choice is. I know of no person who has made that choice lightly. What each person decides in this horrible situation is between them, their spouse and their God. All we can do is offer advice and experience and support.

The fact of the matter is, regardless of the choice, NC with the AP is a MUST. Not going NC only serves to prolong and often compound the pain.

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hurray hurray hurray hurray Pep and Vibrissa


Me: BS age 35
POS-eX-the SORRIEST, CRUELEST, LOWLY WAYWARD SCUMBAG out there
Married 14.5 years, together almost 16
DDay: 7-5-09
OC born: 7-23-09
no COM: tried 6 years frown
D filed 5/05/2011
D final 11/10/11
I was gaslighted for 2 years.

"You were not built for a safe story. Take risks and feel what it is like to actually be brave. It's worth it." Carlos Whittaker
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Thanks guys kiss

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Faithy in thanking you both for your passion & support. You just don't find that many people who can understand our decision of NC & situation, without living it themselves, who actively speak up & out.

Thank you.


4eva

BW-47
WH-46
Married 21 yrs.
D-19
S-15
OC-14/born 9/99
NC
Dday #1 10/30/04
Dday #2 7/2/12 Skank ho #2 (40ish, childless, single & desperate; the world is becoming over-run with them...just like cheaters)

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