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Yes I would love to read it. Thank you SusieQ

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Originally Posted by Dr. Harley
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I've read through your original question and the responses you've received, and almost to a responder, they are warning you about what happens to relationship that originated as an affair. I have counseled hundreds of these couples and am presently counseling couples that married after an affair, and I can tell you from first-hand experience, and their own unsolicited comments, that if they had put the same effort into their marriages, they would be happily married to their original spouses today.

While it's true that there are happy marriages that start as affairs, they are in the minority. Only about 5% of all affairs end in marriage, and only about 1/3 of those marriages survive the first five years. You probably have one chance in 100 of turning this marriage into a successful relationship, and you're off to a terrible start in spite of your love and commitment.

I have a theory about why marriage after an affair is so unsuccessful, but the fact that they're unsuccessful is well documented. My main contention is that for whatever reasons, those who have affairs tend not to follow one of my cardinal principles for marriage: The Policy of Joint Agreement (never do anything without an enthusiastic agreement between you and your spouse). They tend to do what they please without considering each other's feelings. While that may not apply to both members of the relationship, it almost always applies to at least one of them. Your friend's affair with another man in the beginning your your relationship is evidence that she's not thinking about your interests.

I try very hard to keep these marriages together, in spite of the fact that there is such a low probability of success. If I thought I would fail, I wouldn't be wasting my time. And yet, I have had very little success. I keep thinking that I will eventually find a way to succeed.

There are so many obsticles to overcome. In addition to failure to follow the POJA, there is also a marked failure to follow the Policy of Radical Honesty. They tend to be incredibly dishonest, in spite of the fact that they start out thinking they can look right into each other's very souls.

But there is one other issue that is terribly relevant to your situation: Blended families. I read a research report recently that claimed that only 15% of all marriages with children from another relationship survive for 25 years (on average about 50% of all marriages survive for 25 years). Again, from my perspective, the culprit is failure to follow the POJA. Instead of making joint decisions regarding the children, unilateral decisions are made. This ultimately leads to fights and constant turmoil. After the children are grown, however, the conflict does not end. In many cases, advantages continue to be given to children by the natural parent at the expense of the step-parent.

I'm sure that your counselor has been encouraging your wife to negotiate with you so that you can reach a joint agreements regarding her children, but to no avail. And I've experienced the same thing. In spite of a blended family couple's willingness to follow the POJA when I talk to them, when it comes to a decision that will affect the welfare of their children, the commitment is broken.

The advice you have been receiving on the Forum focuses attention on your affair. I've written quite a bit on that topic, and many of the responders have read it. In general, I warn people to avoid an affair because if the very same problems you are facing. And if a vast amount of research and my own professional experience can be trusted, it happens to 99% of those who try to make an affair last.

While it's very unlikely that you will follow my advice because you're in love with "Jane," leaving this relationship, and restoring your relationship with your first wife is the wisest choice. But if you want to know how you can be the 1% that thrives in spite of the obsticles you face, my advice is that you both learn to follow the POJA with every decision you make, including those with the children. If those decisions are made with mutual care, you may be able to figure out how to make the rest of your relationship work.

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I understand we have big issues in our marriage because of how it began but now that we have two young children is staying in this marriage the best for the children?

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Not unless she undergoes some MASSIVE changes in the way she approaches marriage....


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I understand we have big issues in our marriage because of how it began but now that we have two young children is staying in this marriage the best for the children?

You will set a better example for your children if you were to divorce this woman and show them that it is unacceptable to treat a spouse this way. Would you want one of your children to stay married to a serial cheater? Think long and hard about the lessons that you are teaching them....


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Originally Posted by sunshine19
I understand we have big issues in our marriage because of how it began but now that we have two young children is staying in this marriage the best for the children?

Staying in a marriage with an emotionally abusive (read: cheating) spouse is not what is best for the children. I doubt very much that your WW will change. She will continually bounce from relationship to relationship. Only when she gets dumped first and is by herself will she possibly have the impetus to change. It doesn't mean she will. Your WW will probably remarry and divorce several more times in her life.

You need to learn your lesson, apologize to those YOU wronged, and then concentrate on being the best possible father to your children. Live your life in a better manor going forward and never enter into an adulterous relationship again (and don't marry someone who has shown a history of cheating). As for your marriage, I would kick her to the curb and hope she comes running back. If she does, you need to get her involved in marriage builders. However, I'm not holding my breath.

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Originally Posted by sunshine19
I understand we have big issues in our marriage because of how it began but now that we have two young children is staying in this marriage the best for the children?


Building a healthy, happy marriage is what is best for the children. You need 2 people to achieve that.

You picked a very poor partner to achieve that. You can try to invite her to become a better mother and wife, but you can't force her. If she refuses and continues to pursue other men the best thing for your kids is to kick her out and retain custody of them and your home.

Based on your description of your wife, I doubt she will change. This is who she is.

You have a snowball's chance, it's a chance, but a small one.


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Originally Posted by sunshine19
I understand we have big issues in our marriage because of how it began but now that we have two young children is staying in this marriage the best for the children?

I think you need to wipe the slate clean and start repairing your marriage and family by practicing extreme honesty. First, you need to be honest with each other in every instance. Your WW needs to be honest with her ex. She needs to call him or send him a letter to apologize for her horrific misdeeds that caused the death of their marriage. YOU need to call him or write him to apologize for your part in the affair.

Then the two of you need to talk to your children (age-appropriate language - I forget how old they are) and explain the genesis of your relationship; that you and your WW began your relationship inappropriately by having an A while she was married. Don't dress it up with things like "because my H at the time was an abuser, blah blah blah." Accept total responsibility for destroying the previous M because of your selfish desires. Children are usually pretty accepting and forgiving people. They understand that people screw up, and it will teach them that you are humans who own their mistakes. Don't worry about their loss of respect for you, although that may happen. Being totally honest is that important.

I would suggest this as a first step in building a strong, HONEST M.


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Maritalbliss,

Took your advice over the weekend and called her ex-husband and apologized for my part. Turns out we had a very good conversation so much so he offer to lend an ear if I felt I needed to call again. My situation has not changed much in the last several days, actually it is starting to move toward seperation. I was looking for advice on one last thing, should I contact the OM and what do I say? Any suggestions from anyone would be greatly appreciated.

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Unfortunately in your situation your only option is the Harleys in my opinion.
I would hate to help WH and OW if they were to come on this forum for help on their "relationship" and find myself actually helping them.
I just have no pity for people who deliberately hurt others and have no ability to distinguish what is obviously right from wrong.
I know this sounds harsh, but pain and hitting rock bottom really are one of the best ways to wake up.
If you want to call OM I would tell him about your WW and how you met her.
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sunshine - call the Harleys.


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Vibrissa,

Does she need to be there for the phone call or should I do it myself. Also the OM is not married and has never been married.

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I would talk to the Harleys first without her. She might be reluctant to get on board but they will give you tips on how to convince her.
Do not expect miracles.
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Yes, call for yourself initially. They will guide you with where to go after that.


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Thanks I scheduled an appointment. I don't know if it will help but its worth a try. We are actually going to marriage counseling today but I think WW is going to ask our therapist how we should go about telling the kids that we are seperating. Something I am not looking forward to, maybe the Harleys can help. I am running out of hope for my marriage.

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