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My wife and I have been married for 13 years this November and for the last 6-7 years it has been a difficult uphill battle. I'm 40 she is 38 and have no kids - not counting the 4-legged variety.
The problem has been anxiety, depression, a lack of intimacy and the fact that I would like to have kids and as of this past week she has stated that she under no circumstances wants children.
Like I said we have been married for 13 years and can say that we have both been faithful throughout the entire course of the marriage. Within the last 6-7 years the intimacy has dropped off considerably to the point of only making love 2-3 times a year. She has stated that it is all her and that she just has no desire. On top of this, she has said that she generally does not like life and the stresses it brings, which I can certainly understand - at times. She stresses about money, constantly, to the point of questioning purchases that I make, while she will go out and make random purchases only to feel guilty later. We both have very good jobs that do not take up much personal time, have a very nice house and are fortunate that we have what we have. All of this has been going on over the last 6-7 years of our marriage. To top things off she stated the other day that she does not want the responsibility of having kids - which I can respect and appreciate that she is open about her decision. She tells me that she doesn't want to be selfish and if I truly want kids that she is not the person for me. This is difficult to hear after 13 years of marriage, but considering all of the other factors, does not come as a surprise either.
The problem is that I feel extremely guilty for possibly wanting to go our separate ways. The thought of hurting her kills me, but I feel like I need to look out for myself too. The reason being is that with the same breath about wanting kids, etc. she begins to cry and says she doesn't know what she will do without me. There is still love there, but it seems like things are coming to a head. Neither of us is getting any younger and have come to realize that decisions need to be made. We have been to counseling and she has also been to individual counseling which seems to work for only a short period of time.
I feel so confused. Any advice is welcome. . .
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Is having kids a deal breaker to you? In other words, if you could restore the passion and love to your marriage, could you be happy without kids?
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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I found this article in the archives that addresses your situation: Should We Have Children? letter #2
Dear Dr. Harley, My wife and I have been married for 22 years. At the time we were married, we both agreed to have children but wait a few years before having them. After 5 years, I was ready to have them but she hesitated. This went on for the next 8 years. Finally, we sought counseling where it came out that she didn't really want children for various reasons. A few years ago, she tried to come to accept the idea of having children but couldn't.
We have now been married for 22 years. I occasionally feel betrayed by her and also feel that we really lost out on something wonderful by not having kids. I have been seeking counsel for depression and am interested in your comments. I am resigned to the fact we won't have children but I can't help at times feeling really sad about how life turned out for us.
C.M.
Dear C.M., If you've read much of my material, you know that I make the quality of a marriage relationship a couple's highest priority. Once that's achieved, a couple can reach mutually agreed to objectives in a most remarkable way. On the other hand, even when a marriage relationship is good, objectives that are not mutually agreed to are foolish to pursue, because they are not in the best interest of at least one spouse.
For whatever reason, the objective of having children was not in the best interest of your wife, so she could not agree to it. Since it did not meet the conditions of my Policy of Joint Agreement, my advice would have been not to have children, which is what you did.
But now you are resentful that you did not achieve your objective. How can you overcome that resentment?
There are two kinds of resentment: (1) Resentment from being forced to do something you don't want to do, and (2) resentment from not being able to do what you want to do. You are suffering from the second kind of resentment.
I regard the first kind of resentment as far worse than the second, and I'll try to explain why. Whenever you are prevented from doing something, there is always the option to do something else that would be of equal value to you. And it could also be something that would have your wife's enthusiastic agreement.
But when you are forced into your spouse's agenda, and made to do something you don't like, there are no choices -- you are certain to feel used.
I would expect that you and your spouse may have problems that go beyond your decision not to have children. It may be that your depression is not from being prevented from doing what you want, but perhaps from being forced to do what you don't want. Look your lifestyle over very carefully, and ask yourself, "am I doing what I like, or am I being forced to do what I don't like." Remember, just because you don't have children does not mean that you can't have something else in your life that is fulfilling.
Perhaps the reason you are depressed is not that you don't have children, but rather that there is nothing in your life that gives you much pleasure or fulfillment. It's time to take a hard look at your lifestyle, not at whether or not you have children. Your wife is probably quite willing to follow the Policy of Joint Agreement in reference to all other areas of your life, and you should apply the same rule you applied to having children -- don't do it unless you are both enthusiastic about it. Should We Have Children?
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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Is having kids a deal breaker to you? In other words, if you could restore the passion and love to your marriage, could you be happy without kids? Hi Melody - Thanks for your response. That's a question that's difficult to answer. The children conversation came up only recently. the thought by both was if it happens it happens, but now it is a definite no. I honestly think that much of this has to do with the lack of intimacy and stress and anxiety issues. Although when I bring any of this up to her she becomes very angry and doesn't want to talk about it.
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[ I honestly think that much of this has to do with the lack of intimacy and stress and anxiety issues. That was my sense too from reading your post. That is where I would start. I would use this program to fall in love again, and THEN see how you both feel about it. It is much easier to negotiate when a) you are in love and b) you are skilled at negotiating. You can fall in love and learn how to negotiate difficult conflicts with this program. What helped my H and I the most was going to the MB program. There are many of us here who have been through it and it has made an amazing difference. They offer the program now via an online program where they assign you a coach who guides your weeekly lessons. [she calls or emails you weekly to check your progress] You have daily access to Dr Harley on the private forum. It is very effective! Here is the webpage: MB online program
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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