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#2447006 11/28/10 11:32 PM
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Hello all, it has been some time (2 months to be honest) and we've possibly turned a corner. Last Thurs I retrieved a recording device I placed in his office and listened to the coversations knowing that at some point he would talk with the OW. Sure enough, the call was there and it was brutal. He made a joke about the book I purchased on line for him to read "How to gain forgiveness and respect after your affair"...he told her that maybe they could get together and highlight it...that wasnt all...but enough for now. I gave him no choice about leaving and telling the children. I also gave him no choice about exposing the affair to the other spouse. (Know I'm not using the correct acronyms, sorry) It was a bit ugly, but in the end, it was absoultely needed as you all recommended. We both also told our close family and friends.
I traveled with my children to my parents house without him after he broke the news to our chidren. They are very bright kids and had many hard questions for him and very strong spiritually, which also helped them to get through this past week. He went to his home town and told the friends and families there. EVERYONE was in shock. NO ONE (even the 3 of us) knew he had been unhappy.
So, I will pull down the letter to the OW and we will mail it tomorrow. Her husband kicked her out as well, so at least she isn't right next door anymore.
He went to church with us this morning, had a long talk individually with each of us, and expressed his heartfelt desire to work through all of this because he could not imagine life without us in it. My son actually told him that if he didn't come back to us and make it work, that he would get eaten up inside from guilt and suffer for the rest of his life. This same 11yr old told him that if he did come back to us that we would smother him with love. Kids are amazing.
I do want to ask advice on the way forward though. I trusted last time and he failed me. He knows that I cannot trust or respect him right now. He also knows the road will be tedious this time around...what is our next step?


Me, FW - 40
M - 18 yrs
DD & DS (15, 11)
DDay- 08/30/10; 2nd DDay - 11/18/10
WH had EA/PA from 04/09 - 11/10
My Return from Deployment May 09

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Insist on "A Plan"

When he indicates he wants to work things out...

tell him he has proven that his words aren't to be trusted..

if HE wants to work things out HE needs a plan.

You COULD send him here to us and tell him to post and ask us about what he should be doing. We've got well-honed bullcrap detectors and if he's not sincere he won't last a week here. Some BW's have insisted that their spouse post at least 50 posts here to build trust and start to learn how he can become someone YOU can trust. We are more objective than either of you so here is a good place for HIM to start. (of course, you may wish to maintain your privacy here and get support on your own ...that's your call)


Great job exposing. I would like some indication of how you know that the OW's husband was definitely told. You indicated you made your husband expose the affair...well, he's not a trusted source of information right now so they could have ACTED like they exposed to OW's husband but not really have done it. Since they are neighbors...I presume you are certain but nothing shocks me anymore. (since they are neighbors...are they gonna move or are you??? What's YOUR plan???

Mr. W


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"agree to disagree" = Used when one wants to reject the objective reality of the situation and hopefully replace it with their own.
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Good job, live42day! I totally agree with MrW. Have you personally spoken to the OW's H to ensure he has the truth? I would strongly advise you get ahold of him and compare notes to make sure you keep this affair killed.

Additionally, I would click on "notify" at the bottom of this post and ask the moderators to move this thread to the Surviving an Affair forum.

In order to save your marriage, you need a PLAN. Having no plan is a plan for failure. Here is what Dr Harley advises:

Originally Posted by Dr Harley in Requirements for Recovery
The plan I recommend for recovery after an affair is very specific. That's because I've found that even small deviations from that plan are usually disastrous. But when it's followed, it always works. The plan has two parts that must be implemented sequentially. The first part of the plan is for the unfaithful spouse to completely separate from the lover and eliminate the conditions that made the affair possible. The second part is for the couple to create a romantic relationship, using my Basic Concepts as a guide.

I'll describe these two parts to you in a little more detail.

The first step, complete separation from the lover and eliminating the conditions that made the affair possible, requires a complete understanding of the affair. All information regarding the affair must be revealed to the betrayed spouse, including the name of the lover, the conditions that made the affair possible (travel, internet, etc.), the details of what took place during the affair, all correspondence, and anything else that would shed light on the tragedy.

This information is important for two reasons: (1) it creates accountability and transparency, making it essentially impossible for the unfaithful spouse to continue the affair or begin a new one unnoticed, and (2) it creates trust for the betrayed spouse, providing evidence that the affair is over and a new one is unlikely to take its place. The nightmares you experience are likely to continue until you have the facts that
will lead to your assurance that your husband can be trusted.

An analysis of the wayward spouse's childhood or emotional state of mind in an effort to discover why he or she would have an affair is distracting and unnecessary. It takes precious time away from finding the real solutions. I know why people have affairs: We are all wired for it. Given certain conditions, we would all do it. Given other conditions, however, none of us would do it. So the goal of the first step is to discover the conditions that made the affair possible and eliminate them.

After the first step is completed, the second step is to create a romantic relationship between you and your husband using my 10 Basic Concepts here
as your guide. While your relationship may be improving, it won't lead to a romantic relationship because you are not being transparent toward each other. Unspoken issues in a marital relationship lead to a superficiality that ruins romance.

Your nightmares are only the tip of the iceberg. They are but a small reflection of the suffering you experienced when you discovered your husband's affair, and the fear you have that the suffering will be repeated. You have no assurance that the affair is over because you don't even know who the other woman is. You are being asked to trust your husband, who has already proven to be untrustworthy. For all you know, he could be working with her, or you could be going to the same church, or she could be your neighbor. And since he won't discuss the details of how the affair took place, you have no assurance that another affair will not take its place.

Infidelity is not something that can be swept under the rug. While those who have affairs want to forget about it and move on, those who are betrayed must take very specific steps before they can fully recover. In your case, those steps have not been taken, and as a result, your fear persists. I will send you a complimentary copy of my book, "Surviving an Affair," if you send me your address. It will describe these two steps to you and provide you with a roadmap toward full recovery. But the path will require full disclosure of all details.
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"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

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I talked with both parties personally. The OW's husband actually told her that he was going to kill them both. At that point I contacted the police and they came and took a statement. Luckily the OW's husband had just driven up and the police officer talked with him as well. The OW's husband spoke to me while I was loading our vehicle to depart and told me that he was not mad at me or the kids, but that if my husband ever looked in their direction he would hurt him. I know this man is trying to get custody of his children and he knows it would be STUPID to do anything that could harm those chances.
I told my husband that he has a LOT to prove and do to make this work. I will not do all of the work this time...he will. And he has agreed to go to counseling with me and with the children.
I do need a plan...I was trying to find the letter to the OW ending the affair so that he can read through and send it today. Still haven't found it yet.
Taking baby steps now...not opening up and trusting, but giving him a chance to prove he deserves to be with us.


Me, FW - 40
M - 18 yrs
DD & DS (15, 11)
DDay- 08/30/10; 2nd DDay - 11/18/10
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Do you have the book, Surviving an Affair? I would get that ASAP and read it so you understand what you are dealing with.

The no contact letter he should send to the OW is in there. But you can ask someone to post it to you today over on the SAA forum. [I am in my office now and don't have it here]

If you can swing it, the Harley's have a counseling center where you can either get phone coaching with a trained counselor or sign up for the online course. The online course is more expensive but it is very comprehensive, very effective and you are assigned a marriage coach who oversees your progress and guides your program. You would have daily access to Dr Harley on the private forum.

The counseling is $200 a session and the online course is $1000. The latter is what my H and I did and it made an amazing difference in our marriage. The goal of the Marriage Builders course is very different from other programs in that its goal is to create romantic love so the spouses are IN LOVE.


"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

Exposure 101



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